[Dr. Nobody]

A lot of people have said the lack of quality opponents will be CM's downfall in the playoffs.

How important is that??

Looking at last yr's div 4 state champion Creston Norwayne a few things stick out.

In regular season they played 2 teams that made the playoffs. One in div 4 and one in div 5. Both of those teams lost their 1st playoff game. This yr CM has played 1 opponent that is in the top 8 after week 9.

Last yr Norwayne finished with 21.45 computer pts, 38 level 1 pts, and 176 level 2 pts. This yr CM already has 22.05 computer pts, 43 level 1 pts, and 171 level 2 pts. That's with 1 game left against a weak opponent.

So CM this yr will have more computer pts than last yr's state champion did. Does this mean CM will win it all? Absolutely not.

My point of all this is it should end the argument of a weak regular season discounting a team from winning it all. I believe there are 10+ factors that result in a team's playoff performance. Strength of schedule just being one of them.

[run n shoot 08]

Scheduling does not determine how you perform in the playoffs. However a tough schedule does give that team an advantage in the playoffs.
It's pretty simple to understand.

[psycho43142]

Originally Posted by Dr. Nobody

A lot of people have said the lack of quality opponents will be CM's downfall in the playoffs.

How important is that??

Looking at last yr's div 4 state champion Creston Norwayne a few things stick out.

In regular season they played 2 teams that made the playoffs. One in div 4 and one in div 5. Both of those teams lost their 1st playoff game. This yr CM has played 1 opponent that is in the top 8 after week 9.

Last yr Norwayne finished with 21.45 computer pts, 38 level 1 pts, and 176 level 2 pts. This yr CM already has 22.05 computer pts, 43 level 1 pts, and 171 level 2 pts. That's with 1 game left against a weak opponent.

So CM this yr will have more computer pts than last yr's state champion did. Does this mean CM will win it all? Absolutely not.

My point of all this is it should end the argument of a weak regular season discounting a team from winning it all. I believe there are 10+ factors that result in a team's playoff performance. Strength of schedule just being one of them.

http://calpreps.com/2012/ratings/Ohio_division.htm#IV

[Dr. Nobody]

psycho is that thread supporting my comment?

CM's SOS is 0.5. Norwayne's -2.6.

All indication is that Norwayne is every bit as good as last yr. when they won it all.

[psycho43142]

Originally Posted by Dr. Nobody

psycho is that thread supporting my comment?

CM's SOS is 0.5. Norwayne's -2.6.

All indication is that Norwayne is every bit as good as last yr. when they won it all.

No it was to show how pathetic some teams schedules are. How on earth do you end up with a negative SOS?

[Dr. Nobody]

But the team with the negative SOS won it all last yr with a similar schedule.

This yr Lima Bath's SOS is 17.9 but they are 20th in their region. They will be turning in their pads next Monday so what good is SOS?

Talented players win games. If you are fortunate enough to have talented players AND win games with a tough schedule then you are at an advantage.

There are very very few of those teams in div 4 football in Ohio.

[psycho43142]

Originally Posted by Dr. Nobody

But the team with the negative SOS won it all last yr with a similar schedule.

This yr Lima Bath's SOS is 17.9 but they are 20th in their region. They will be turning in their pads next Monday so what good is SOS?

Talented players win games. If you are fortunate enough to have talented players AND win games with a tough schedule then you are at an advantage.

There are very very few of those teams in div 4 football in Ohio.

Bishop Hartley, OG, Kenton, Ironton, and Bishop Fenwick all are 13.8 or higher and all in the playoffs. It is not just D4 that that happens in. St Xavier will finnish the year ranked in the top 50 in the country and most likely not make the playoffs. As far as last year goes, anomalies happen everywhere and everything. Even a blind squirrel will find a nut eventually. On the opposite side of what your describing. Columbus Desales won state in 1985 and then went undefeated in 1986 but missed the playoffs because of a weak schedule.

[pdoubleop]

Its not very often that a team misses the playoffs due to a weak schedule. Did they go 10-0 that year?

[run n shoot 08]

Granville has gone 9-1 a couple times the past couple years and missed the playoffs because of a weak schedule.

[CMxFALCONS]

Ok, I agree that this year, Massie doesn't have a grueling schedule.
It wasnt long ago that Massie was playing 3-4 playoff teams a year.
They cannot be held accountable for everyone they play hitting hard times.
The SCOL will bounce back in the next few years, and the level of competition will rise when Chillicothe and Wilmington are added and London and Plains leave. I do not think Massie needs to address their schedule for the next few years with the exception of Blanchester. I know it will never happen under the current Massie administration but I believe that is the game Massie can try to fit a good team in. For those who do not know, Massie has a restriction on how far away non league games can be, 60 miles. It limits them a little. While DeSalles is slightly passed that limit, it's a 1 year deal and they made an exception.
I would love for Massie to replace Blan with Kings, Turpin, Winton Woods, Alter, Fenwick or someone on that level.

[psycho43142]

Originally Posted by pdoubleop

Its not very often that a team misses the playoffs due to a weak schedule. Did they go 10-0 that year?

Yes they went 10-0 that year.

[roughriderpride]

Looking at computer points will only show you that the teams are winning for you.
Here is Drew Pasteur's fan. 50 of toughest schedules.

Toughest Schedules so far, Division IV
1) Orrville 0.851
2) Van Wert 0.792
3) Clear Fork (Bellville) 0.776
4) Ironton 0.748 *
5) Kenton 0.744 *
6) Paulding 0.701
7) Coshocton 0.695
8) Ottawa-Glandorf (Ottawa) 0.695 *
9) Bishop Fenwick (Franklin) 0.695 *
10) Canton Central Catholic (Canton) 0.687 %

Region 16-
Bishop Fenwick is #4 (7-2)

Region 15-
Ironton is #2 at (6-3)

Region 14-
Ottawa-Glandorf is #2 at (9-0)
Kenton is #8 at (6-3)

Region 13-
Canton CC is #16 at (4-5)

Massie probably only has to worry about Fenwick & CHCA.
I seen CHCA play SC Day on tv and they are better then years past.
Fenwicks record speaks for it's self.
Norwayne, they are supposed to be better then last year.

If Massie makes it through, I hope they pair you up with Hartley in the big game, of course if they make it as well.
@ power running teams matched up in the state finals!

[theriotact]

I don't see anyone getting past the winner of region 14. Norwayne played the game of their life last year. Kenton had just went through a murders row of Genoa,Hartley and Massie and I think over looked Norwayne not playing the tougher schedule that these schools did. The fact that Kenton's qb was probably at 60% contributed to Norwayne's win.

[K_H_S_86...]

1 word

*WEAK*

[ex_dc_atc]

The truth of the matter is that we won't know the answer to this question until the playoffs are here. There's no doubt that CM is a great team, one of the best in DIV. If they played a stronger schedule, I still would think the same of their team as I do with the schedule they have now. I know the point of this forum is pointing to the fact that the other DIV favorite, Hartley, plays an extremely strong schedule. Obviously a stronger schedule prepares you for the playoffs but does not guarentee success. Like the MAC, it shows year in and year out that iron sharpens iron. Just because CM's league doesn't challenge them doesn't mean that they won't have playoff success though. If CM wins R16, who would doubt the season as being a success regardless of schedule?

[BalconyBulldog]

I'm not sold on SOS as anything of importance in week 11. If you are in the playoffs, you are in. If your SOS prevents you from getting in while undefeated then you should look into it. Everyone wants to play some tough games, but you don't need to play tough games to be a tough team. Clinton Massie is a perennial Playoff team, they know how tough they have to be to be successful in the playoffs, and I think they are clearly the R16 favorite based on that experience alone. I think of CM in the same boat (not necessarily as good as) as the MAC. They are always in the playoffs, and you can NEVER count them out. Good luck to Massie, and here's to hoping that my Bulldogs (Milton-Union) can play them tough in Round 1 (my prediction)..

[run n shoot 08]

Originally Posted by BalconyBulldog

I'm not sold on SOS as anything of importance in week 11. If you are in the playoffs, you are in. If your SOS prevents you from getting in while undefeated then you should look into it. Everyone wants to play some tough games, but you don't need to play tough games to be a tough team. Clinton Massie is a perennial Playoff team, they know how tough they have to be to be successful in the playoffs, and I think they are clearly the R16 favorite based on that experience alone. I think of CM in the same boat (not necessarily as good as) as the MAC. They are always in the playoffs, and you can NEVER count them out. Good luck to Massie, and here's to hoping that my Bulldogs (Milton-Union) can play them tough in Round 1 (my prediction)..

Your right you can't count Masie out when it comes down to makin the playoffs and winning a couple games. But you can count them out when it comes down to who wins the state championship.

[gamauter]

I will jump in as a fan of Newark Catholic. They play in a very tough league for a d6 school. The past years they did not win enough league games to qualify for the playoffs. The teams they did beat ooc were terrible and gave them no points so they just missed out with a team the could have won some games in their division. I do not think they would have won any championship but it is still an honor to make the playoffs. So it is a balancing act to make it hard enough to get points but not exclude yourself. Also who would have though Jonathan Alder would have such a terrible year. Normally that would have been a tough game to start your year out.

[BalconyBulldog]

Originally Posted by run n shoot 08

Your right you can't count Masie out when it comes down to makin the playoffs and winning a couple games. But you can count them out when it comes down to who wins the state championship.

I thought this thread was about Strength of Schedule and from the first post, how SOS translated into Post Season success...

The only defining argument in my eyes of how SOS translates into State Titles would be easily seen looking at the MAC conference. One of the most successful football conferences in Ohio, and possibly the Country. Most 5-5 MAC schools lay whippings to their entire out of conference schedule, every season, and I mean EVERY season. They send over half of their conference to the Playoffs every season, and a few of them usually win State Titles.

[WesSegar]

run and shoot 08,

I agree, CM wins a couple games then per usual will get knocked out without not only a state championship but probably a regional championship. Meanwhile Hartley will be DANCING....(thats for all you blind CM followers who actually think CM would beat Hartley)

w.s