[bridgepixcalc]

Originally Posted by crimson_n_black

CCHS 72.... They were posted somewhere and they are vile...... But it seems to me that's all there is ... Internet posts of stupid, ignorant and sick kids. And those tweets are what all these blowhards are using to determine guilt. The internet is a breeding ground for people saying stupid things (see jj huddle) that aren't true........ Where's the real evidence and what is taking so long. My guess is there is no video.

Wire, I think it's up to us to get bashers, fools and haters to step up their games....... After all, they are the puppets and we are the Puppiteers. We simply wait for the next stupid thing they say and then start pulling the strings. They are beat down...time to lower the boom.

cnb, is this the website you are referring to?

http://prinniefied.com/blog/

[booth_lustick]

C&B, I agree that there has been a lot of reckless things posted on this forum, "facts" gathered through speculation, but aren't you basing your defense of these boys on speculation, by saying that it "seems to me that all they have are the tweets", and you "guess" that there is no video. You might be right at this point, and I hope you are, but IMO it is best to wait before jumping to conclusions.

[wire24]

C&B Foot on their necks!

[EastYoungstown]

where is Mr. SERIOUS???????

[crimson_n_black]

Booth.... At least you acknowledge the speculation and rumor problem with this whole issue. I am the first to admit that I know NONE of the facts and that what is being said could be entirely true. It could also be part truth, no truth or all true or something in the middle. I just get more incensed each time someone posts something as fact that has not been established as fact.

The outrage displayed is missing for these huddlers when this happens elsewhere. Their object of discussion is a couple of kids who "might" be involved are playing and they have demonized Coach and everyone else cause they are still playing. They have no inclination as to due process and the legal jeopardy the SCS would put themselves in for suspending kids from extra curricular activities if indeed they had no involvement. Anyone who thinks Reno would place wins over what's right and in particular this case simply has no idea how Reno, Superintendent McVey operate. Many kids, much more critical to winning have been removed from the team for far less. It's crazy to think any decision made is based on winning football games.

[SmarterThanU]

Originally Posted by Michigan Legend

SmarterThanU- I respect the fact that you said you hope these things did not happen and I could not imagine the pain this caused all the families involved including Mr Richmond and The Mays family who may have an innocent child in jail. I hate the double standard that exists that portrays men are automatically the aggressors and the females are always the passive innocent victim since false rape charges can forever slander a person for life. It was implied that I only care about this because Big Red may have lost 2 potentially standouts athletes, but I have seen the Big Red coaches win with a 5-5 130 QB who had his team 1 win away from the state title game, undersized lineman, overachievers who played far above their natural talent along with standouts like Collaros, Magnone, Stevie Davis and their talented teamates on the 15-0 title teams. I am going to as many BR games as possible regardless who plays or not since every player needs the team more than they need him.

See we can have a grown up conversation on here. It is possible

[booth_lustick]

C&B, this entire thread is speculation and I really don't think it is wise for anybody to jump to any conclusions one way or another. I have not nor will I comment on any "facts" of this case because I have none. Again a lot of out of line statements and IMO the worst was Wire24 asking if the girl was going to be charged with underage drinking. The fact is, if she made any of this up, she has bigger problems than that charge, and if this is all true, I think that she would get a pass on that. Pretty insensitive on Wire24's part.

[budman70]

Some of you need to go to the prinniefield blog. There is quite a bit of info there. Such as links to tweets and deleted videos. One article in Plain Dealer said that so much info was on the cell phones that it was down loaded on to hard drives. You can delete info from phones, computers and the web, but it's never really gone. Somewhere along the line this group got the idea they were above law, be it from parents, coaches, or whoever and lost the ability to distinguish right from wrong. Also one of the prosecutors said in court that they had enough evidence and these allegations are true. But we shall see.

[booth_lustick]

budman, if that is the case, it might take a while for this info to be retrieved.

[fish82]

Originally Posted by booth_lustick

budman, if that is the case, it might take a while for this info to be retrieved.

That's why the prosecution asked for a continuance to October. Lots of goodies to sift through.

[redengineer]

Originally Posted by budman70

Some of you need to go to the prinniefield blog. There is quite a bit of info there. Such as links to tweets and deleted videos. One article in Plain Dealer said that so much info was on the cell phones that it was down loaded on to hard drives. You can delete info from phones, computers and the web, but it's never really gone. Somewhere along the line this group got the idea they were above law, be it from parents, coaches, or whoever and lost the ability to distinguish right from wrong. Also one of the prosecutors said in court that they had enough evidence and these allegations are true. But we shall see.

When you read something, you really need an understanding of where the writer is getting their information. Unfortunately, (and as a big fan and regular reader of the PD, I have been very disappointed.) this writer's sourcing has been no better than the average blogger. As for the amount of info downloaded, does that surprise you? Look at an average teenagers data usage- it boggles the mind. And to copy this info and analyze it, you have to put it on a harddrive, there is no other way, so that is just weird to phrase the reporting like that. It's getting into a tricky area on the outskirts of the actual assault case, where many are talking about punishing speech. Where and who draws that line?

[fish82]

Originally Posted by crimson_n_black

The outrage displayed is missing for these huddlers when this happens elsewhere. Their object of discussion is a couple of kids who "might" be involved are playing and they have demonized Coach and everyone else cause they are still playing. They have no inclination as to due process and the legal jeopardy the SCS would put themselves in for suspending kids from extra curricular activities if indeed they had no involvement.

I'm sorry but that's just stupid. There is no "due process" on a HS football team. If the coach feels players have engaged in conduct detrimental to the team, they're gone...at least at any reputable program I've ever seen.

There are two players currently suiting up who by their tweets and YouTube uploads, confirmed they had knowledge of the incident. Instead of reporting it to police, they giggled amongst themselves about it online.

I'll say it again so you can wrap your mind around it....

These two would be long gone from the team at any reputable program in the state, save Kenton.

[EastYoungstown]

Originally Posted by crimson_n_black

The outrage displayed is missing for these huddlers when this happens elsewhere.

I disagree with you on this one. If this same thing happens anywhere else, i think people would be just as upset. That coach would be taken to task as to why the kids were still playing. The real difference would be that a coach in most communities would remove the kids from the team. Reno faces no such local pressure, therefore it's business as usual for Big Red football. The courts will do their due diligence. The failure most critics have is that they want justice right now. These things take time. If they are guilty, they will suffer much more than missing a few football games.

[justamomof2]

As someone else said, all of you concerned about the girl should check out the prinniefied.com site. There is a lady on there who knows the victim well. It is heartbreaking what these boys did to erase such a young girls spirit. Alot of info there. The chiefs wife even made some comments as to how upset she is about all this. Alot of people with close ties to many of the involved. It really puts back in the forefront what this is all about, this poor violated girl. Some on this site are so childish it blows my mind. I was struck by the irony of the 2 or 3 idiots talking about "puppets" and laughing about this tragedy. That poor, unconcious girl was a "puppet" and from the tweets the others put out they thought it was pretty funny too. C&B and wire 24 seem to have the same sense of humor and desire to degrade people as these kids do. This is not funny. Its not entertainment.

[justamomof2]

As someone else said, all of you concerned about the girl should check out the prinniefied.com site. There is a lady on there who knows the victim well. It is heartbreaking what these boys did to erase such a young girls spirit. Alot of info there. The chiefs wife even made some comments as to how upset she is about all this. Alot of people with close ties to many of the involved. It really puts back in the forefront what this is all about, this poor violated girl. Some on this site are so childish it blows my mind. I was struck by the irony of the 2 or 3 idiots talking about "puppets" and laughing about this tragedy. That poor, unconcious girl was a "puppet" and from the tweets the others put out they thought it was pretty funny too. C&B and wire 24 seem to have the same sense of humor and desire to degrade people as these kids do. This is not funny. Its not entertainment.

[crimson_n_black]

And fish calls the information they are looking for "goodies". How come o one address wires and my information that Reno has removed more critical players who would have been more instrumental to winning than the two in question for far less than what has happened here. Its as if that fact has no bearing on the current decision to allow them to play.

[crimson_n_black]

If those two are involved, the last thing they will be thinking about is their senior year of football. Their futures will be ruined and they will pay forthe next 70 years. A stiff price to pay.

[fish82]

Originally Posted by crimson_n_black

And fish calls the information they are looking for "goodies". How come o one address wires and my information that Reno has removed more critical players who would have been more instrumental to winning than the two in question for far less than what has happened here. Its as if that fact has no bearing on the current decision to allow them to play.

You'd have to ask Reno that. Let us know what he says.

[budman70]

Originally Posted by redengineer

When you read something, you really need an understanding of where the writer is getting their information. Unfortunately, (and as a big fan and regular reader of the PD, I have been very disappointed.) this writer's sourcing has been no better than the average blogger. As for the amount of info downloaded, does that surprise you? Look at an average teenagers data usage- it boggles the mind. And to copy this info and analyze it, you have to put it on a harddrive, there is no other way, so that is just weird to phrase the reporting like that. It's getting into a tricky area on the outskirts of the actual assault case, where many are talking about punishing speech. Where and who draws that line?

This isn't a free speech issue. We are looking at incriminating statements, that just happen to be written. How do you think that most people get caught? They tell some one and then word gets out. If you commit a crime and tell no one and no one sees you, it pretty hard to get caught. Think about it. If these guys had not tweeted or sent pics, they may have gotten away with it.

[wire24]

Coach Sac kicked the "BEST" player off the team for not doing right! Im positive we' d won the state title last yr and wouldve been the favorite this yr and next if he' d let him on the team. So if he was all about winning, why would he do this? Lets be real for a second, D.B. has more talent in one finger than the 2 in question have in their whole bodies combined! You people fail to see that kids act and talk differently when adults are not around. The tweets were terrible but once again....they are young boys!!! Whats the difference of them tweeting dumb stuff and bandmom saying she hopes 2 boys get raped in prison??? Should she get kicked off the pta or fired from her job? See you guys want it one way but its really the other way!