[dorciepatrick]

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...ow.php?ref=fpb

We might not be thrilled with President Obama, but the alternative doesn't seem to be a big hit, either. In fact, most of us Americans don't seem to see him in a favorable light.

Of course, those who mostly populate this forum seem to be unable to point out any faults of his at all, or even any disagreements with his positions on any issues (to be clear, I mean his positions THIS YEAR not last year) -- but yet seem to feel that their own views are in the mainstream of American political thought.

Anyway, why does anyone think that the Mittster's favorability rating is so lousy by historical standards?

[macfan7358]

Likeability is something that politics don't control. You may disagree with a president's political views, but you may view a president as likeable. I am a moderate democrat, and didn't like some of President Reagans views on many issues, but I liked his personality. Romney just seems to waffle on a lot of issues, and the trust issue affects perceptions people have. that is especially true with independent voters. Many people don't know where he stands on some things, and when you don't trust a guy, it is hard to like him.

The likeability issue is something that Romney must change if he hopes to beat President Obama. A lot of voters like President Obama, even if they aren't totally sold on his views. If it is a tossup, a lot of voters will go with the one that is most likeable, and could decide the election.

[fish82]

Originally Posted by dorciepatrick

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...ow.php?ref=fpb

We might not be thrilled with President Obama, but the alternative doesn't seem to be a big hit, either. In fact, most of us Americans don't seem to see him in a favorable light.

Of course, those who mostly populate this forum seem to be unable to point out any faults of his at all, or even any disagreements with his positions on any issues (to be clear, I mean his positions THIS YEAR not last year) -- but yet seem to feel that their own views are in the mainstream of American political thought.

Anyway, why does anyone think that the Mittster's favorability rating is so lousy by historical standards?

Simple.

He's made himself crazy rich, and you people have turned that accomplishment into the mark of the devil. He might as well have 666 tattooed under his hairline. :cool:

Next question?

[Homer Falcon]

Originally Posted by fish82

Next question?

Who cares?

The choice is anybody but Obama. 70 million people will pull the lever for a card board cut out of Captain Kirk to send the community organizer back to Chi-town. We're motivated, they are not.

Mark it.

[bethere]

Originally Posted by Homer Falcon

Who cares?

The choice is anybody but Obama. 70 million people will pull the lever for a card board cut out of Captain Kirk to send the community organizer back to Chi-town. We're motivated, they are not.

Mark it.

no one has ever been nominated let alone been elected president with favorability numbers as bad as romney's. two thirds of YOUR party has sworn that they will never vote for a mormon under any circumstances. santorum calls him the worst pssible choice for the republican nomination...

romney has no chance.

this election has been over for a long time.

[Homer Falcon]

Originally Posted by bethere

no one has ever been nominated let alone been elected president with favorability numbers as bad as romney's. two thirds of YOUR party has sworn that they will never vote for a mormon under any circumstances. santorum calls him the worst pssible choice for the republican nomination...

romney has no chance.

this election has been over for a long time.

Absolute nonsense.

Follow the money-- Romney Trounces Obama In Fundraising For 3rd Straight Month

By all measures, this race is a deadheat-- The Real Poll Numbers

We will have a new President soon. Please prepare for it.

[buckeyedan]

no the fact that the election has been over for a long time is true

it's just a matter of how big the romeny landslide will be

look the incumbent being in THIS position at THIS point tells it all... Romney is better off than even Reagan in 1980

we are still at the point of name calling and spinning wheels
in a couple months they start debating and it stops being about non-sense and about issues

and the main one... can we afford 4 more years of this?
just like carter... folks may or may not like the opponent... but very few will want 4 more years of the crap they are getting!

it's actually amazed me how quickly a candidate as poor as Romney got even with Obama nationally and has passed him in nearly all battle ground states

There is more chance Obama saves face and decides not to run than Romney loses... none

[dorciepatrick]

Originally Posted by Homer Falcon

Who cares?

The choice is anybody but Obama. 70 million people will pull the lever for a card board cut out of Captain Kirk to send the community organizer back to Chi-town. We're motivated, they are not.

Mark it.

I can relate to your post. That's how I felt in 2004. The Democrats ran John Kerry -- not my first choice by any means. However, I held my nose and pulled the lever for him because, IMO, ANYONE would have been better than GWB. Obviously, many Americans disagreed.

I'm not a big Obama fan, either. But, looking at today's Republican Party as well as the nominee, I still feel the same way that ANYONE is better than having the current GOP capture the entire Executive Branch and all of the policy implications taht that entails.

We can disagree about that. That doesn't mean, however -- as many on the right seem to think -- that those of us who will support Obama are radical lefties who hate the rich and want everybody to suckle at the teat of the government.

It only means that the current edition of the GOP (as well as your nominee -- who isn't a true conservative but he's whatever he thinks that you want him to be) scares the heck out of an awful lot of Americans.

[dorciepatrick]

Originally Posted by buckeyedan

no the fact that the election has been over for a long time is true


it's actually amazed me how quickly a candidate as poor as Romney got even with Obama nationally and has passed him in nearly all battle ground stat

I understand that you want Romney to win. That's OK. But why don't we stay within the realm of reality here. Many of us would say that you're just posting a bunch of partisan BS -- but I won't do that. I'll give you an opportunity to prove yourself.

You must have based your post on some objective data. Why don't you share it with us? What polls show that Romney is leading "in nearly all battle ground states".

[sleeper]

I don't know why anyone would ever be happy with Romney unless he was elected to replace the most incompetent leader in world history.

And that's Obama.

[Domi]

Originally Posted by dorciepatrick

I understand that you want Romney to win. That's OK. But why don't we stay within the realm of reality here. Many of us would say that you're just posting a bunch of partisan BS -- but I won't do that. I'll give you an opportunity to prove yourself.

You must have based your post on some objective data. Why don't you share it with us? What polls show that Romney is leading "in nearly all battle ground states".

That would be the latest FoxNews poll of 4 likely republican voters with a sampling error of 1-2%. :)

[buckeyedan]

Originally Posted by dorciepatrick

I understand that you want Romney to win. That's OK. But why don't we stay within the realm of reality here. Many of us would say that you're just posting a bunch of partisan BS -- but I won't do that. I'll give you an opportunity to prove yourself.

You must have based your post on some objective data. Why don't you share it with us? What polls show that Romney is leading "in nearly all battle ground states".

First I'm going with the spirit of his hyperbola...

but most polls show him even or ahead in the key battle ground states... and given the built in bias towards the democrat (every poll is basing the polls on 2008 exit ratios (meaning they poll more democrates than republicans by definition) which simply weren't true in 2010 let alone 2012)

He won't get a reagan landslide because he won't win NY or CA... but just about everything outside NE and the west coast...

time will tell

[BGFalcons82]

Well, Romney is an animal abuser, a tax-cheat, a felon and a murderer according to the President of the United States' re-election team. It's no wonder his favorability ratings are almost equal to the most inept leader ever.

How long until we hear about him being a polygamist? It's next on the hit parade.

[Homer Falcon]

Originally Posted by dorciepatrick

I can relate to your post. That's how I felt in 2004. The Democrats ran John Kerry -- not my first choice by any means. However, I held my nose and pulled the lever for him because, IMO, ANYONE would have been better than GWB. Obviously, many Americans disagreed.

I'm not a big Obama fan, either. But, looking at today's Republican Party as well as the nominee, I still feel the same way that ANYONE is better than having the current GOP capture the entire Executive Branch and all of the policy implications taht that entails.

We can disagree about that. That doesn't mean, however -- as many on the right seem to think -- that those of us who will support Obama are radical lefties who hate the rich and want everybody to suckle at the teat of the government.

It only means that the current edition of the GOP (as well as your nominee -- who isn't a true conservative but he's whatever he thinks that you want him to be) scares the heck out of an awful lot of Americans.

OK.

I don't see much wrong with your post.

My point is, and will remain to be, Obama scares the heck out of more likely voters than Romney does. Last go around, 60 million voted McCain and 70 million voted Obama. This go around 5 million of those Obama voters won't show up. 5 million conservative voters who didn't show up for McCain will show up for Romney. 5 million voters from '08 have buyer's remorse and will switch sides. We are looking at a complete reversal of the '08 results.

Thinking electoral, Play with this map. It's great fun!

Romney flips Indiana, North Carolina, Iowa, and Colorado for sure. Obama holds Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, and Pennsylvania. Of this I have no doubt. Score Obama 243, Romney 221

Now we speculate. I see no scenerio where Obama wins Florida. She's going red. Romney 250, Obama 243. That leaves Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin and New Hampshire. To keep it interesting, give Obama Wisconsin and N.H. It's 257 Obama, 250 Romney.

A split either way between Ohio and Virginia gives Obama 4 more years. I don't see that happening. They will both be red, or they will both be blue. However, I see Virginia going red. Which leaves Ohio as the final battle ground state.

How cool is that? :cool:

[fish82]

Originally Posted by Homer Falcon

OK.

I don't see much wrong with your post.

My point is, and will remain to be, Obama scares the heck out of more likely voters than Romney does. Last go around, 60 million voted McCain and 70 million voted Obama. This go around 5 million of those Obama voters won't show up. 5 million conservative voters who didn't show up for McCain will show up for Romney. 5 million voters from '08 have buyer's remorse and will switch sides. We are looking at a complete reversal of the '08 results.

Thinking electoral, Play with this map. It's great fun!

Romney flips Indiana, North Carolina, Iowa, and Colorado for sure. Obama holds Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, and Pennsylvania. Of this I have no doubt. Score Obama 243, Romney 221

Now we speculate. I see no scenerio where Obama wins Florida. She's going red. Romney 250, Obama 243. That leaves Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin and New Hampshire. To keep it interesting, give Obama Wisconsin and N.H. It's 257 Obama, 250 Romney.

A split either way between Ohio and Virginia gives Obama 4 more years. I don't see that happening. They will both be red, or they will both be blue. However, I see Virginia going red. Which leaves Ohio as the final battle ground state.

How cool is that? :cool:

I have it coming down to OH and VA as well.

By the end of October, I predict every single commercial will be a POTUS campaign ad. :D

[dorciepatrick]

Originally Posted by buckeyedan

First I'm going with the spirit of his hyperbola...

but most polls show him even or ahead in the key battle ground states... and given the built in bias towards the democrat (every poll is basing the polls on 2008 exit ratios (meaning they poll more democrates than republicans by definition) which simply weren't true in 2010 let alone 2012)

He won't get a reagan landslide because he won't win NY or CA... but just about everything outside NE and the west coast...

time will tell

OK, I'll ask you for the second time.......What polls are you basing your statements on? Please list them or show a link. Thanks.

[fish82]

Originally Posted by dorciepatrick

OK, I'll ask you for the second time.......What polls are you basing your statements on? Please list them or show a link. Thanks.

If memory serves, there was a recent poll done of all 13 swing states in one "lump sum," and Romney led that by a couple points.

That said, he's within reach on pretty much every individual state poll, and the fact that an incumbent POTUS is running at 45-46% in most/all of them doesn't bode well.

[buckeyedan]

Originally Posted by dorciepatrick

OK, I'll ask you for the second time.......What polls are you basing your statements on? Please list them or show a link. Thanks.

and I will tell you again: every poll out there if you consider trend and how the poll it conducted...

as fish said... Romney is within a couple points or ahead in every swing state and Obama's #s for this point in the cycle are amazingly... worse than Carter... bad

I'd ad that with the polls ALL asking more democrates than republicans based on 2008 #s (despite 2010) and not being able to get near 50% as the sitting president it really will be ugly for him come November

[bethere]

Originally Posted by sleeper

I don't know why anyone would ever be happy with Romney unless he was elected to replace the most incompetent leader in world history.

And that's Obama.

we agree!

obama WAS elected to replace the most incompetent leader in world history.

sorry it is taking so long to fix his blunders.

[NapRover]

Obama didn't replace Carter.

If we don't send Obama packing back to Bill Ayers and his Chicago mob, there'll be nothing left to fix. We're done (unless we can hold on to the House and tie things up so nothing can be worsened).