[docthehun]

The old Republican here. Just another reason things are so screwed up. First off, don't make promises you can't keep and second, while 12 million sounds like a lot of jobs, 250,000 a month isn't going to get our economy in high gear when you couple it with montly job losses. I'm guessing that Bain Capital was not profitable because of a net increase in jobs. In fact, it may be just the opposite. :(

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/romney...00906.html?l=1

[m14brian]

Politicans are in the promises you can't keep business.

Always been that way and always will be that way.

[NBHS_1988]

The Keystone Pipeline will add several hundred thousand jobs.

[sleeper]

Romney is an idiot if he thinks he will create 12 million jobs.

[wisdome]

Originally Posted by docthehun

The old Republican here. Just another reason things are so screwed up. First off, don't make promises you can't keep and second, while 12 million sounds like a lot of jobs, 250,000 a month isn't going to get our economy in high gear when you couple it with montly job losses. I'm guessing that Bain Capital was not profitable because of a net increase in jobs. In fact, it may be just the opposite. :(

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/romney...00906.html?l=1

Doc,
I don't have an issue with the promise. It is much much better than what we are getting right now. The issue I have is that the plan outlined in the article evaluated by these economists is very general in nature (not a lot of meat to the bone)...so it is very difficult for any of us to say it will work or not.

Now with that said at least he has stated in general what general action he going to take that will hopefully render what he says it will render. The other guy we already know what he is all about...and for sure it is not about the economy...because if it was really about the economy...he would be at work doing all he could to fix the ship (like he says he wants to do). Rest assured if he did fix the ship...this campaining trips he is taking (for more than half a year) would not be required. He would be re-elected without even having to much else!

[BradleyJaguars]

We're all idiots if we think the government creates jobs. You create jobs by keeping the government out of the way of business.

[NBHS_1988]

I would trust Romney with creating jobs, compared to Obama.

[WebFire]

Originally Posted by BradleyJaguars

We're all idiots if we think the government creates jobs. You create jobs by keeping the government out of the way of business.

Bingo.

[o.a.b.]

Originally Posted by NBHS_1988

The Keystone Pipeline will add several hundred thousand jobs.

Keystone Pipeline--a major farce---getting 2.3 barrell return for every 1 barrell invested in retrieving it.I'll bet you'd drive your car 2 miles,shut it off and push it for one before starting it back up.WAKE UP AMERICA--Pitts Off !! New oil is not the answer---new ENERGY Sources ARE,and our time is very short thanks to the oil lobbies and lying Republican office holders

[buckeyedan]

o.a.b that's fine... and true
but until we FIND those new energy sources AND MAKE THEM practical AND affordable... we have to work with what we have

burrying our head in the sand and throwing good money on bad ideas/concepts that aren't working ain't helping anyone

THE only way we have an economic boom is if we create new markets
and energy is the most logical one
taking those Billions upon billions we send over seas and spending them here at home

so... go for it with all those energy sources
but until you get them working we need to get our heads out of... and move forward with what we have

[BradleyJaguars]

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

New oil is not the answer---new ENERGY Sources ARE

Incorrect, the correct answer is "all sources".

[Homer Falcon]

Both candidates just spoke...here's the summary--

*Romney*
1) Energy- Invest in and encourage production of energy sources presently on hand. Oil, natural gas, coal.
2) Education- Improve job skills of the workforce.
3) Trade- Whack China, open Latin America
4) Debt- Cut spending, make a balanced budget priority.
5) Small Business- Reduce their taxes and regulation.

*Obama*
1) Demonize- Don't go back to failed policy.
2) Middle Class- Cut taxes.
3) Upper Class- Raise taxes.

No chit, they both just said that. We have 2 hollow speeches. Of the 2 hollow speeches, I like Mitt Romney's better. ;)

[o.a.b.]

Originally Posted by buckeyedan

o.a.b that's fine... and true
but until we FIND those new energy sources AND MAKE THEM practical AND affordable... we have to work with what we have

burrying our head in the sand and throwing good money on bad ideas/concepts that aren't working ain't helping anyone

THE only way we have an economic boom is if we create new markets
and energy is the most logical one
taking those Billions upon billions we send over seas and spending them here at home

so... go for it with all those energy sources
but until you get them working we need to get our heads out of... and move forward with what we have

The course for a new direction was etched in the 70's and quickly abandoned by the powers that be.Lack of oil IS a reality--destroying the environment IS a reality.Whether we print a lot of money or none at all has very little bearing on REALITY.The debt is a resultant of living beyond our means for too long.Solutions are no longer the goal,political haggling for power has superceded them.We waste more energy from the sun in 10 minutes than mankind has used in his history but because no-one has found a way to tax sunlight.....the oil lobbies and the Republicons continue to take us down the path of self-destruction.It doesn't matter whether you like socialism or capitalism,energy sources within the earth belong to everyone and know no fictitious political boundaries.Capitalism has supplied us with the steady stream never ending ideology but that does not change REALITY.God gave us the sun for a reason and it certainly wasn't so we could derive crude out of the ground that took millions of years to make.In essence,oil should have been our LAST resource long after cheaper more efficient sources were expended.I applaud the countries that have the backbone to utilize the tax route to conserve.Where do our gasoline taxes go ? Just like oil,up in smoke !

[o.a.b.]

Originally Posted by Homer Falcon

Both candidates just spoke...here's the summary--

*Romney*
1) Energy- Invest in and encourage production of energy sources presently on hand. Oil, natural gas, coal.
2) Education- Improve job skills of the workforce.
3) Trade- Whack China, open Latin America
4) Debt- Cut spending, make a balanced budget priority.
5) Small Business- Reduce their taxes and regulation.

*Obama*
1) Demonize- Don't go back to failed policy.
2) Middle Class- Cut taxes.
3) Upper Class- Raise taxes.

No chit, they both just said that. We have 2 hollow speeches. Of the 2 hollow speeches, I like Mitt Romney's better. ;)

Whack China ? Hahahahaha.They're financing this country now and using the profits to beef up their military.Obama wants taxes to be fair and neither the middle-class nor the wealthy should whine about that.The debt incurred over the last 50 years has resulted in the wealthy to retain wealth and the middle-class to stay middle-class.The difference being that when times get tough,the wealthy point at government as the problem while maintaining their influence in government.They are right as rain but don't have the moral fortitude to make it a point all the time.Talk-Speak is what it is.John Boehner is a fine example of that

[Homer Falcon]

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

God gave us the sun for a reason and it certainly wasn't so we could derive crude out of the ground that took millions of years to make.In essence,oil should have been our LAST resource long after cheaper more efficient sources were expended.

Obviously you've spent hours staring into the sun. Did 'God' tell you this in a vision, or does your wisdom come from some deranged interpretation of scripture?

Can you clue me in on the great sky wizard's top 2 energy sources that are cheaper and more efficient than oil? (I don't think the sun is one of them unless his plan was for Alaska to remain uninhabited.) ;)

[Homer Falcon]

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

Whack China ? Hahahahaha.They're financing this country now and using the profits to beef up their military.Obama wants taxes to be fair and neither the middle-class nor the wealthy should whine about that.The debt incurred over the last 50 years has resulted in the wealthy to retain wealth and the middle-class to stay middle-class.The difference being that when times get tough,the wealthy point at government as the problem while maintaining their influence in government.They are right as rain but don't have the moral fortitude to make it a point all the time.Talk-Speak is what it is.John Boehner is a fine example of that

Following your sun baked logic, shouldn't the socialist in chief set the ultimate example and volunteer to have his pay cut?

Tax the rich, give it to the middle class, jobs will fall from the sky...Got it!

[docthehun]

Originally Posted by Homer Falcon

Obviously you've spent hours staring into the sun. Did 'God' tell you this in a vision, or does your wisdom come from some deranged interpretation of scripture?

Can you clue me in on the great sky wizard's top 2 energy sources that are cheaper and more efficient than oil? (I don't think the sun is one of them unless his plan was for Alaska to remain uninhabited.) ;)

Now come on Homer, we've got COAL & NUCLEAR! :D (Those two don't count? :D:D)

[buckeyedan]

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

destroying the environment IS a reality.

it's one of those human ego things...
how do WE know it is destroying the environment? who decides? Again the only thing we DO know is the "environment" constantly changes... Geologically speaking nothing we do matters - a million years from now where you are sitting typing this might be at the bottom of an ocean or on the top of a mountian... under a glacier or in the middle of a desert... or crap it could all be burned out by on random solar flair or blown up by a rough comet... "destroying the environment"... geologially speaking the concept is spit your drink out your nose laughable...
making it less desirable for some of us maybe
destroying it? we couldn't if we tried

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

Whether we print a lot of money or none at all has very little bearing on REALITY.

oh it makes a HUGE difference...
increadible difference! one we have not yet started to feel but we will! and soon...

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

The debt is a resultant of living beyond our means for too long.Solutions are no longer the goal,political haggling for power has superceded them.

true
Jefferson said that the doom of a democracy is when the people realize they can control the treasury...

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

.God gave us the sun for a reason and it certainly wasn't so we could derive crude out of the ground that took millions of years to make.In essence,oil should have been our LAST resource long after cheaper more efficient sources were expended.

1) we are now realizing we are only scratching the surface of oil and gas...
2) other forms of energy may be theoretically "cheaper" by whatever way you are using to describe cheap or expensive... but they have yet to be practical or easily usable
as soon as you and God develope those technologies the rest of us will be happy to use them... but we can't afford them or use them now so we'll have to make do with what we CAN...

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

Where do our gasoline taxes go ? Just like oil,up in smoke !

Roads and construction mostly... though bigger and bigger chunks are peeled off for other uses while our infrastructure falls apart....

[wisdome]

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

Whack China ? Hahahahaha.They're financing this country now and using the profits to beef up their military.Obama wants taxes to be fair and neither the middle-class nor the wealthy should whine about that.The debt incurred over the last 50 years has resulted in the wealthy to retain wealth and the middle-class to stay middle-class.The difference being that when times get tough,the wealthy point at government as the problem while maintaining their influence in government.They are right as rain but don't have the moral fortitude to make it a point all the time.Talk-Speak is what it is.John Boehner is a fine example of that

So you are saying that those Demos that are in power take the time to make the point and also practice what they preach???? Does Jerry Obama ring a bell? How about Joe Biden??? I can go on and on. The reason I harp on you so much is because you have a lot of good points that then get drowned with the koolaid you drink.

[Homer Falcon]

Originally Posted by docthehun

Now come on Homer, we've got COAL & NUCLEAR! :D (Those two don't count? :D:D)

I don't think that's what the great Aztec warrior OAB was getting at, but I do think that's what President-Elect Romney was hinting towards! ;)