[docthehun]

Appears to me we just haven't learned our lesson yet. I wonder if there's any chance it might happen soon? They should call it Amtrack West! :D

http://news.yahoo.com/california-oks...230224919.html

[DGUtley]

High Speed Train to Nowhere? Or to the cliff?

[19AL63]

They do not even have good funding to complete the project, but lets get started anyway. Hope it is going to be faster than the high speed rail Ohio was to get from Cincinnati to Cleveland.

[hspbuy1]

Originally Posted by 19AL63

They do not even have good funding to complete the project, but lets get started anyway. Hope it is going to be faster than the high speed rail Ohio was to get from Cincinnati to Cleveland.

One from Toledo to Columbus would be nice!

[19AL63]

How many people would use it ? Enough that it would pay for it self? The problem with the rail after you arrive, you must use bus,taxis, or rent a car to get to your final destinatin. Just easier to drive from home.

[BGFalcons82]

High speed, eh? Like the one that Kasich shot down in Ohio that was supposed to have a top speed of 49 MPH? California...where they have a virtual insurmountable debt and they want to take on more. More of the "we must spend more to get out of our debt" lib-speak (at what point do we officially bury John Maynard Keynes?). Governor Moonbeam sure knows what he's doing...right? LOL

How many people would use it ? Enough that it would pay for it self?

Ah yes, the penultimate question. For the statists, the cost means nothing if the idea makes them feel good. ESPECIALLY if it runs on solar panels, switch grass and huge wind vanes :)

If it was such a great idea, wouldn't there be a clamoring among the private venture capitalists to build one and they will come? Nope...doesn't matter to the statists when temporary public jobs are at stake.

[bethere]

Originally Posted by 19AL63

How many people would use it ? Enough that it would pay for it self? The problem with the rail after you arrive, you must use bus,taxis, or rent a car to get to your final destinatin. Just easier to drive from home.

when you grow up and start traveling this big old world you will find that we are just about the only industrial country on the planet without universal health care or dependable mass transportation.

if we want to be competitive--in any number of important ways--we need to get on the ball and start doing this.

[bethere]

Originally Posted by BGFalcons82

High speed, eh? Like the one that Kasich shot down in Ohio that was supposed to have a top speed of 49 MPH? California...where they have a virtual insurmountable debt and they want to take on more. More of the "we must spend more to get out of our debt" lib-speak (at what point do we officially bury John Maynard Keynes?). Governor Moonbeam sure knows what he's doing...right? LOL

Ah yes, the penultimate question. For the statists, the cost means nothing if the idea makes them feel good. ESPECIALLY if it runs on solar panels, switch grass and huge wind vanes :)

If it was such a great idea, wouldn't there be a clamoring among the private venture capitalists to build one and they will come? Nope...doesn't matter to the statists when temporary public jobs are at stake.

it's the ultimate question, not the penultimate one.

lol.

[19AL63]

bethere,

I promised myself I would not respond to any of your comments directly, but here I go again. I'm very much grown up. Old enough to be your father (thankfully I am not) and I have traveled the world a little. What you said about some of the other industrial countries is true. But what sense does it make to spend money on something that we will not use. I think it would be wiser to put more effort to improve and expand on rail for freight and reduce the number of trucks on the roads. One of the countries I visited was Austria, You know the one my grandfather immigrated from. The story you said I made up and when I told you how wrong you were , you do not even know how to apologize. If anyone needs to grow up it could be you.

[bethere]

Originally Posted by 19AL63

bethere,

I promised myself I would not respond to any of your comments directly, but here I go again.

you are intensely unintense.

[19AL63]

I'll try harder to keep my promise to myself from now on.

[hspbuy1]

[quote=19AL63;5328315]How many people would use it ? Enough that it would pay for it self? The problem with the rail after you arrive, you must use bus,taxis, or rent a car to get to your final destinatin. Just easier to drive from home.[/QUOTE
Not enough & no. But, If it were truly hi-speed & extended on south through Cinncy & down south it could work,in my opinion. People take taxis' at airports, why not at train stations? I'd take it to a Buckeye game! If any of this peak oil stuff I'm reading about is true, we need to do something soon!

[QuakerOats]

Originally Posted by bethere

when you grow up and start traveling this big old world you will find that we are just about the only industrial country on the planet without universal health care or dependable mass transportation.

if we want to be competitive--in any number of important ways--we need to get on the ball and start doing this.

When you grow up you might want to study economics with a particular emphasis on value generation, you might then understand why socialized medicine and high speed rail are not advantageous to our country, for a plethora of reasons. Both would be, shall I say, train wrecks.

[bethere]

Originally Posted by QuakerOats

When you grow up you might want to study economics with a particular emphasis on value generation, you might then understand why socialized medicine and high speed rail are not advantageous to our country, for a plethora of reasons. Both would be, shall I say, train wrecks.

THE ONLY POSTER ON THIS FORUM WITH A DEGREE IN ECONOMICS--ME, OF COURSE--LAUGHS AT YOUR WANNABE CONDESCENSION.

SHOW ME A GED FROM A NORTHERN INDUSTRIAL STATE AND WE WILL RESUME THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING AS I HAVE A LOT I CAN SHOW YOU IF I AM IN THE MOOD.

IN THE MEANTIME?

LOL!

[docthehun]

Originally Posted by bethere

when you grow up and start traveling this big old world you will find that we are just about the only industrial country on the planet without universal health care or dependable mass transportation.

if we want to be competitive--in any number of important ways--we need to get on the ball and start doing this.

I'd concede on the "industrial country" argument, but say that the comparison is not an apple for apple assessment, which I'm quite certain Captain, you already knew. If for example, the USA was the size of say, Germany, it becomes a different issue. Driving habits alone are vastly different, not to mention the price of fuel.

If you look at the specifics of this California project, almost the entire initial construction will occur in argricultural county, which means if the bulk of the funding going forward, never materializes, the project will not only be the rail to nowhere, it will also be the rail from nowhere.

Further, given your penchant for defending the needy and underprivledged, I would have thought you would have difficulty arguing the merits of this project. A bullet train before food, shelter and education?

[bethere]

Originally Posted by docthehun

I'd concede on the "industrial country" argument, but say that the comparison is not an apple for apple assessment, which I'm quite certain Captain, you already knew. If for example, the USA was the size of say, Germany, it becomes a different issue. Driving habits alone are vastly different, not to mention the price of fuel.

If you look at the specifics of this California project, almost the entire initial construction will occur in argricultural county, which means if the bulk of the funding going forward, never materializes, the project will not only be the rail to nowhere, it will also be the rail from nowhere.

Further, given your penchant for defending the needy and underprivledged, I would have thought you would have difficulty arguing the merits of this project. A bullet train before food, shelter and education?

actually, let's pretend that NO ONE EVER RIDES THE TRAIN.

my response would be to build it anyway.

never forget the multiplier effect. the workers will need places to stay, things to eat, clothes to wear. so will their children and so will the children of the people who fed and clothed the workers.

throw a pebble into the lake grasshopper. watch the concentric circles of the shock wave flow from the entry point.

no one will ever find the pebble, but the pebble was the actor that got things moving in the first place.

time for you to leave, grasshopper.

[bethere]

Originally Posted by docthehun

I'd concede on the "industrial country" argument, but say that the comparison is not an apple for apple assessment, which I'm quite certain Captain, you already knew. If for example, the USA was the size of say, Germany, it becomes a different issue. Driving habits alone are vastly different, not to mention the price of fuel.

If you look at the specifics of this California project, almost the entire initial construction will occur in argricultural county, which means if the bulk of the funding going forward, never materializes, the project will not only be the rail to nowhere, it will also be the rail from nowhere.

Further, given your penchant for defending the needy and underprivledged, I would have thought you would have difficulty arguing the merits of this project. A bullet train before food, shelter and education?

also consider that germany has the autobahn. and yet they still found riders for their train.

[docthehun]

Originally Posted by bethere

also consider that germany has the autobahn. and yet they still found riders for their train.

Two excellent responses in a row. I find no further reason to engage. Points well taken! :)

[bethere]

Originally Posted by docthehun

Two excellent responses in a row. I find no further reason to engage. Points well taken! :)

my answer is to build that bike path, too, even if no one ever really uses it because projects like yours will sprout.

[sleeper]

I think we should just dig ditches and have people fill them in. Don't forget the multiplier effect, all of those ditch diggers need clothes, housing and shoes!

It's a joke that this train is even being considered. There is a reason no one in the private sector would build a useless train, because no one will ride it and it won't generate a positive ROI.