Another reason for division of public vs private

tigerracer · (#1)

While a lot of people want to say the Shadyside Tigers complain about the public vs private situation is because of the State Championship game were Delphos St. John put it to us, there is a perfect example that is happening that I would love to see the privates defend this one. Shadyside has a few starters that got into some discipline problems recently. The decision from our school was to suspend these players(as it should be). Even though accusations against us would be that we would put sports in front of anything else, the Shadyside administration did the right thing. Now, with that decision being made, these 3 players have decided to transfer to Bellaire St. Johns(because that what is allowed at the private schools in Ohio) where they are welcome with open arms and allowed to join their football team without any suspensions to play their senior year. Could they have gone to Bellaire, Bridgeport, Martins Ferry or any other public school?????? Absolutley not!!!!!!! But since St. Johns is a Private school....They can play.

gamauter · (#2)

You need to get your facts straight. They can not play unless they moved out of your district.

Walking Boss · (#3)

Tiger: Not sure that is true. I think this would fall under exception #6 in the OHSAA transfer rules which state that the transfer would have to be for academic, not athletic reasons. It would be hard for the kids' parents to argue that the reason for the transfer is academic. I could be wrong, but that is my reading of the situation.

ryancsportsmom · (#4)

If they have transferred to Delphos and DID NOT MOVE into that district, they will have to sit for one year. If they had left Delphos and transferred back to their local public school, they would not have to sit and would be immediately eligible to play.

Tigerracer

You need to get your facts straight. If you don't believe me, call the OHSAA.

ryancsportsmom · (#5)

The mythology about transferring to a private school and immediately becoming eligible boils my blood and shows a COMPLETE lack of knowledge of the rules.

Walkingboss

Even when a student files under a transfer exception, there is a lot more to the process than just stating it. I know of students who actually moved to another school district and had to go through all the appeal levels in order to play at their new school and that has been so for both transferring to a private school or a different public school.

Walking Boss · (#6)

ryan: yes. I know. It still requires Commissioners approval. I just didn't want to write a book....

ryancsportsmom · (#7)

While you may know it, there are obviously many people who have no idea what it takes to go through and establish elibility at a new school. I still can't believe the ignorance out there about what happens or doesn't happen when students transfer as you can see by the opening post.

Gz1up 2 Down · (#8)

I think Shadyside has bigger things to worry about than losing a few kids to Bellaire St.Johns. I guess we shall cue the rise of the Fighting Irish as we speak, down with the Tiger.

Shadyside isn't even five miles from BSJ. Get a grip, man.

And the discipline problems do not always carry over into other programs. It could be as simple as telling the remedial arts and crafts teacher to go copulate herself (yeah, thats pretty disrespectful, but anything flies in schools of all disciplines nowadays) to something serious, like stealing a car. I don't know what they did, I don't care, either. If all these kids did was introduce the dirty bird to Belmont County, then I don't think its unruly for them to go to BSJ, get a faith-based education and play for a horrible football team.

bobby · (#9)

wow, tiger, pretty much everything in your post is wrong.

How about this one? Three players from Elida (public school) got into some serious trouble with the law and were permanently suspended from the football team. They transferred to rival Wapak (public school) where they played the next season.

buckeyedan · (#10)

yea transfers would have to move homes to a new district to switch schools after they start their freshman year in most cases...

rumors during the summer are crazy...

QBall · (#11)

What a whiner.

USA70PP · (#12)

Had a situation arise some years ago when a bunch of football players at a school were busted for underage drinking at a big party. It was decided that some of those that were not seniors would have to sit part of the next season. However, nothing was said as to which "sport season". So, they were listed as being on the baseball team, soccer team and track team. They then "sat out" part of that sports season and were playing football the next season. Many ways to "discipline" people.

Captain Tony · (#13)

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Originally Posted by QBall

What a whiner.

Ditto

captain_cavman · (#14)

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Originally Posted by USA70PP

Had a situation arise some years ago when a bunch of football players at a school were busted for underage drinking at a big party. It was decided that some of those that were not seniors would have to sit part of the next season. However, nothing was said as to which "sport season". So, they were listed as being on the baseball team, soccer team and track team. They then "sat out" part of that sports season and were playing football the next season. Many ways to "discipline" people.

I've heard of similar ways also.

One team had to suspend players for a baseball game about 4 days before tournament started. Called another coach to schedule a quick game and presto, players were now able to play in tournament.

There's ways around a lot of stuff and when it comes to winning, a lot will go the extra mile...be it legal or not.

tigerracer · (#15)

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Originally Posted by Gz1up 2 Down

I think Shadyside has bigger things to worry about than losing a few kids to Bellaire St.Johns. I guess we shall cue the rise of the Fighting Irish as we speak, down with the Tiger.

Shadyside isn't even five miles from BSJ. Get a grip, man.

And the discipline problems do not always carry over into other programs. It could be as simple as telling the remedial arts and crafts teacher to go copulate herself (yeah, thats pretty disrespectful, but anything flies in schools of all disciplines nowadays) to something serious, like stealing a car. I don't know what they did, I don't care, either. If all these kids did was introduce the dirty bird to Belmont County, then I don't think its unruly for them to go to BSJ, get a faith-based education and play for a horrible football team.

Shadyside will still win without these guys. Theft and vandalism is a little more serious than what you had suggested. These guys are not going for the education!!!! Are you guys saying that they can go to Bellaire High School which is right across the street from Bellaire St. Johns by stating they are going for acedemic reasons????

Gz1up 2 Down · (#16)

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Originally Posted by tigerracer

Theft and vandalism is a little more serious than what you had suggested.

How unequivocal from your original post.

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Originally Posted by tigerracer

These guys are not going for the education!!!! Are you guys saying that they can go to Bellaire High School which is right across the street from Bellaire St. Johns by stating they are going for acedemic reasons????

Bellaire High School and Shadyside High School are in two different school districts, so the obvious answer is no.

How about you go ask the families at BSJ why they're shelling out thousands of dollars for their kids to go to a school that has abysmal athletics when their kids could go to their public school (which so happens to have better football teams) like Shadyside, Bellaire, Bridgeport, St. Clairsville or wherever they live for free?

nc_ou_alum · (#17)

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Originally Posted by tigerracer

Shadyside will still win without these guys. Theft and vandalism is a little more serious than what you had suggested. These guys are not going for the education!!!! Are you guys saying that they can go to Bellaire High School which is right across the street from Bellaire St. Johns by stating they are going for acedemic reasons????

My Guess is that this will give you guys the ability to blame not winning it on the field.....as your lot in life for at least the next ten years.

MiniSkirtQB11 · (#18)

I think you need to definitely get your facts straight. From my understanding the families have even MOVED to Bellaire, if I heard right? You really need to look into what you post before you do. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is if the child moves within the district they can play for that school that year am I correct? I believe there use to even be a rule that stated that you could go a district NEXT to you, just not totally skip a district (yet once again correct me if I'm wrong because that rule may have changed since I was a freshman in high school many years ago and we had an issue with that rule) that you can go to school in that neighboring district, and play sports that next year. ALSO if you say you can "win without these guys" why are you posting worrying about them transferring to St. John's? Let it go, find out the rest of the info, then get back to us on what you think, maybe get the families views on WHY their children transferred, sometimes peoples lives aren't always about sports.

johnner11 · (#19)

Lol...

tigerracer · (#20)

Fact....nobody has moved.