[NBHS_1988]

sbfamily, is Detroit on that list?

[buckeyedan]

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

Read what I said--if Republicans would have gone after public unions FIRST.I was--was---was very much against public unions UNTIL Republicans switched priorities.

I see what you said and that's what I responded to...
in wisconsin they went after public unions with great success
in ohio they didn't have the success because they lumped in fire/police

they haven't "Switched their priorities"... having more than one is not a switch! I can't imagine any republican gov not wanting to end public unions... I am sure Ohio will try again at some point - hopefully using the Wisconsin model...

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

I'm waiting for their " free market " philosophies to hit the workplace.Raises--gone Incentives---gone Bonuses---gone UNLESS you're part of the heirarchy receiving them while boasting their greatness.

philosophies can't "hit the market"... laws do
to do that you will have to get obama out of the whitehouse and the democrats out of control of the senate...
that said... raises, incentives and bonusus certainly aren't "gone" for many employees who companies find valuable...
there just aren't NEW jobs being created because there is nothing happening to allow the economy to expand

you can't just wish your way to expansion... something has to happen for expansion to happen

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

Technology is replacing employment with their approval yet they insist that their right to life views be shared by everyone---for what ? The next war ?

1) what on earth do technology in the workforce and abortion have to do with each other? Technology WILL move forward and you either get on board or fall behind the rest of the world...

2) I really hope people view a right to life... I wouldn't want them thinking me and you are too boring to live! and FWIW technology is taking over the war part of it as well so why would you need more people?

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

I'm not blaming Republicans for public unions--I'm merely making a point that compared to the private sector they play pattie-cake with them.

you call SB 5 patty cake?
I guess Republican's unlike Democrats have this annoying hang up on the law and elections... if they simply ignored those like Obama and ended public unions no matter the law I guess that would be fine??? but they just like the law too much!

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

If they're so avid about bringing costs down,set the example or stifle.There are a sh*tload of overpaid non-unionized white collar folks in government [ including congressmen ] that really ought to be careful what they wish for.I'm not shooting the messenger,I'm asking the messenger to re-read the message and apply it personally.

1) Republican's in general would be fine with trimming the size of government... but in any sector you get what you pay for... if you pay lower wages you get less quality work... supply and demand

2) I don't get the idea of paying congress or political office LESS... same supply and demand tells us that the less you pay the fewer people will be willing to put up with the crap and the less good choices we get!

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

If humans are now a liability to the future with their wages,why do Republicans insist on bringing more people into the world ?

show me one time where any republican said we should force people to have sex?

you do realize that's where babies come from right?

being against killing babies that already exsist isn't insisting on bringing more into the world... they are already here... it's drawing the line on when you can kill them

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

If every aborted baby since 1974 was living,would Social Security be a scam ? Would all 20,000,000 of them have jobs ? We know the sky is falling--we don't need more Boehners and Kasich's to say it,we need a functioning government.Republicans cleaning house and taking over won't be the answer--it will be the Great Depression all over again.They've proven it over the last 30 years ---without any power.

that is just a paragraph on non-sense
you are blaming republicans and saying they didn't have power in the same sentence...
how do you respond to something like that?

[buckeyedan]

Originally Posted by DGUtley

We will see whether the rest of the country is ready to have a "big boy" discussion about the debt and deficit.

I am not even sure Romney and Ryan are...
far more chance than Obama obviously

but my issue is that Romney is basically Clinton or McCain... or Bush (either one)

Ryan has some interesting ideas but many of his are the Kasich "pass it along to the smaller governments" (Kasich to County/Cities, Ryan to the states) that I don't think really solve anything...

I HOPE they are ready...
I'm still worried they are not. (I KNOW Obama isn't)

[wisdome]

Originally Posted by buckeyedan

I am not even sure Romney and Ryan are...
far more chance than Obama obviously

but my issue is that Romney is basically Clinton or McCain... or Bush (either one)

Ryan has some interesting ideas but many of his are the Kasich "pass it along to the smaller governments" (Kasich to County/Cities, Ryan to the states) that I don't think really solve anything...

I HOPE they are ready...
I'm still worried they are not. (I KNOW Obama isn't)

Buck,
at least you should understand where Ryan is coming from. I know he is not a hidder type of guy like others I know.

[DGUtley]

Originally Posted by wisdome

Buck, at least you should understand where Ryan is coming from. I know he is not a hidder type of guy like others I know.

This nursing on the public teet is going to end. The only issue is whether we manage the transition, or watch it crash. To decide, we need to talk about it. The D's have made a calculated decision that the discussion will not start now. We'll see. With the Ryan pick, it sure appears that Romney wants to talk about it now.

[bethere]

Originally Posted by DGUtley

This nursing on the public teet is going to end. The only issue is whether we manage the transition, or watch it crash. To decide, we need to talk about it. The D's have made a calculated decision that the discussion will not start now. We'll see. With the Ryan pick, it sure appears that Romney wants to talk about it now.

picking ryan is a clear indicator that the gop is done courting moderates. it isn't a good sign for the gop. it looks like a play to keep the house instead, although in my view it just puts the house in play... so, gop internal polling--drumroll--is even worse than the polling i am seeing. and the polling i am seeing is worse by far than what you are seeing in public.

romney cutting back on spending in pennsylvania is another bad sign.

picking someone from wisconsin, is yet another bad sign. really? wisconsin is so in play that you sould pick someone from wisconsin in an effort to save it?

or is it a play to the base in a desperate effort to get the vote out in a decreasingly competitive presidential race in order to protect those 80 swing seats that have been going back and forth the last three election cycles?

my party needs, what? 25 of those to to fall our way? out of 80?

i liked my chances, but i like my chances better now that i know your internals are worse than i thought they were.

[DGUtley]

Originally Posted by bethere

picking ryan is a clear indicator that the gop is done courting moderates. it isn't a good sign for the gop. it looks like a play to keep the house instead, although in my view it just puts the house in play... so, gop internal polling--drumroll--is even worse than the polling i am seeing. and the polling i am seeing is worse by far than what you are seeing in public. romney cutting back on spending in pennsylvania is another bad sign. picking someone from wisconsin, is yet another bad sign. really? wisconsin is so in play that you sould pick someone from wisconsin in an effort to save it? or is it a play to the base in a desperate effort to get the vote out in a decreasingly competitive presidential race in order to protect those 80 swing seats that have been going back and forth the last three election cycles? my party needs, what? 25 of those to to fall our way? out of 80? i liked my chances, but i like my chances better now that i know your internals are worse than i thought they were.

Well, again, this is coming to an end. When? Not sure. Maybe the country isn't ready for this discussion. Maybe the country isn't ready to confront what's coming. If not, then he'll lose. If so, then he'll win. I don't view Ryan as an extremist, just a realist. From what i've read today, he's being very well received. It's a long race. The pick surprised me. I had it as Rubio or Portman. You see it as strategic. I see it as policy-based. We'll see.

Good to hear from you again, though.

[bethere]

Originally Posted by DGUtley

Well, again, this is coming to an end. When? Not sure. Maybe the country isn't ready for this discussion. Maybe the country isn't ready to confront what's coming. If not, then he'll lose. If so, then he'll win. I don't view Ryan as an extremist, just a realist. From what i've read today, he's being very well received. It's a long race. The pick surprised me. I had it as Rubio or Portman. You see it as strategic. I see it as policy-based. We'll see.

Good to hear from you again, though.

good to hear from ye as well. i thought it was a done deal the day they were handing out sandwiches.

i think he made the decision long ago. he needed the drama to serve as a field campaign in the summer. the olympic tie in was an indicator i believe. if the connechad been made by the ghorse winning or by positive olympic press in general he would have touted ryun's family olympic tie.

he picked him long ago in my view.

i see NO indicator that he has a field operation in place. i have sent my people out to their towns looking for indicators and there are none. he had a hard time with getting signatures throughout the primaries... as did all of the candidates.

look. you take your petition to the central committee meetings at all of the county seats... 88 here in ohio. if you can't cop 1000 signatures on that very night then you don't belong on the ballot and you certainly don't have a field organization.

your county has hundreds on central committee members, one for each precinct. every state in the country is like this. the committee members are all in one place at one time once a month, every songle month.

a lot of the grass roots in the gop are vapor my friend. i've never seen anything like it.

sadly, for you, this election has been over for a long time.

[Homer Falcon]

I stated on Saturday that I would be closely reading the tea leaves this week. First impressions are generally the most reliable.

It won't take a week to figure this one out. We the people are loving Ryan--

Romney/Ryan Draw 10k In NC

Bumbles Biden Draws 600 The Next Day

Fund raising is through the roof, Wisconsin is now solidly red, and we've recruited a politician with a brain.

Obama is toast. Mark it.

[UDFAN]

Now that's funny! Can't wait till November!

[Homer Falcon]

Originally Posted by UDFAN

Now that's funny! Can't wait till November!

Yer a masochist...eh? :rolleyes:

Check your inbox. Brynne, your DCCC field director, has sent you an urgent request.

WE'RE IN PANIC MODE!!!

lol.

[fish82]

Originally Posted by bethere

picking ryan is a clear indicator that the gop is done courting moderates. it isn't a good sign for the gop. it looks like a play to keep the house instead, although in my view it just puts the house in play... so, gop internal polling--drumroll--is even worse than the polling i am seeing. and the polling i am seeing is worse by far than what you are seeing in public.

romney cutting back on spending in pennsylvania is another bad sign.

picking someone from wisconsin, is yet another bad sign. really? wisconsin is so in play that you sould pick someone from wisconsin in an effort to save it?

or is it a play to the base in a desperate effort to get the vote out in a decreasingly competitive presidential race in order to protect those 80 swing seats that have been going back and forth the last three election cycles?

my party needs, what? 25 of those to to fall our way? out of 80?

i liked my chances, but i like my chances better now that i know your internals are worse than i thought they were.

Solid analysis from the guy who claimed a Christie pick would be to try and win NJ. :cool:

You know full well the dems aren't getting more than 10-12 seats. Focus on not losing the Senate, bro. ;)

[QuakerOats]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ng_649942.html

[BGFalcons82]

Originally Posted by QuakerOats

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ng_649942.html

Huh...we're told by the Obamabots that Paul Ryan's ideas are "extreme". His budget, as passed by the House and put into mothballs by Harry Reid, is labeled, "radical".

Shouldn't those that support the Bowles-Simpson plan also equally support Paul Ryan's budget as much as Erskine Bowles has done?

[DGUtley]

Where's those doggone tax returns...... or the dog on the station wagon.... or the bullying of the alleged gay guy..... or the women the R's hate.....

[Homer Falcon]

Originally Posted by DGUtley

Where's those doggone tax returns...... or the dog on the station wagon.... or the bullying of the alleged gay guy..... or the women the R's hate.....

You forgot to mention that the Ryan plan would eliminate birth control for seniors.

[NBHS_1988]

Where is Obama's budget plans??

[19AL63]

He has a budget, spend every tax dollar collected and 40 cents more. And this was done with him saying he would cut spending and reduce the deficit. Now he is saying he will reduce spending again. He has done such a great job the first 4 years I think we need to vote him out of office and give someone else a chance.

[QuakerOats]

Originally Posted by Homer Falcon

You forgot to mention that the Ryan plan would eliminate birth control for seniors.

It also calls for polluting the waters, bombing more countries, and taking the vote away from women and blacks.



:)

[SBFAMILY]

They are playing the Erskine Bowles comments about Paul Ryan's budget. Keep in mind this was Obama pick and he is a big fan of Ryan's . It's all most funny how they are trying to spin it.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives...onest-sincere/