[Weiskittle]

I think an AD's job is to get a coach that will work his but off for the kids and always do the right things. Wins should be more the concern of the coach.

That being said the world doesnt work like that, I want an AD that wants to win. Just not "At all coast"

[19AL63]

True not at all cost, but the AD should have some kind of plan with the coaching staffs to improve programs and not be satisfied with just putting a team on the field. Many years ago I played HS football for a school in northern Ohio and if a coach had two losing seasons he did not get the chance for a third.

[encore65]

Originally Posted by mcburg93

Prayers out to the ex triad football player that passed away. Hope he finds the peace he is looking for. Knew his dad and he was a pretty good guy. Hope all is well to all of them.

He will be missed, he was one of those special kids that brought a smile to everyones face.

[Weiskittle]

Is the WLS-Triad at WL this year?

[wls_color]

Originally Posted by Weiskittle

Is the WLS-Triad at WL this year?

Yes, it should be. Was at Triad last year.

[mcburg93]

I think for any ohc team to be able to make noise in the playoffs we need to figure a way to get the mac outta region 20, 24. Every year they have put some of the best teams out. Wls, burg, scc, the list can go on and on. I know this past year burg only had a few boys that could bench more then 200. That needs to change they need to get in the weight room and lift. I dont have answers to make the teams better just believe it always goes in spurts.

[wls_color]

It's mental. OHC kids are just as fast (see track results), just as strong (see power lifting results), which makes them overall equal athletes. Fundamentals, coaching, support for the program...that's what separates us from the MAC. It's all they think about, if you're an athlete, you're on on the football field (no soccer up there). If you're not an athlete, you're still probably on the football field. Entire communities rally around HS sports up there...it started that way decades ago and generation upon generation was raised that way. It will never change.

The mentality about the importance of the game, the yearning to learn the game, the refusal to lose the game. That's what separates us.

We have and have had some solid coaches in the OHC....but I don't think the mentality to turn a solid program into a champion is there with most of them. We're close....just about 4 TD's not quite there.

[wls_color]

Just to add to my point, the 2005 & 2006 Mechanicsburg squads were the best teams in OHC history. Mainly that 2006 team. I think most of us could agree on that. 2006 was a once in a century team. Mechancisburg won't see a team that talented probably for another 50 years.

Take a look at what they did in the regular season: http://www.joeeitel.com/hsfoot/teams...06&teamID=1004 ...they beat 4 playoff teams in the regular season by an average of 27 points per game!!

There is little doubt in my mind that in 2005, Mechanicsburg was a better team than Marion Local (17-7 opening round loss in the playoffs). In 2006, there is NO doubt in my mind that the Indians were a better team than the Flyers (14-0 loss in the regional finals)....Marion Local won state that year, the Indians played them the closest in the playoffs.

The difference was fundamentals, mentality, coaching and refusal to lose.

[mcburg93]

I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head there wlscolor. I know watching them teams they were impressive. The will just wasnt enough. The talent was pretty impressive with those teams. We have seen it year in and year out. Would love to see the community get behind like they do in that area of the state. I used to go up there to watch mac teams play all the time. Its a whole different level there. The fans are incredible and when you have 75% of the boys in the school on the football team and the other 25% are in the band its just amazing. I wish the ohc teams could do that. Not sure what the answers on how is but it would be nice.

[19AL63]

amen

[Weiskittle]

Originally Posted by wls_color

Yes, it should be. Was at Triad last year.

I will be sure to get to that one

[catchingQB]

To add to your case about the MAC, look at central in 2007. No mac teams and they made it out of the region to State final four. Ultimately there will never be an answer. The football up there doesn't compare to the football here. It is almost as if they breed a different type of boy. The post season for them is easier than their regular seasons. Like mentioned it is just a different way of life for their schools and towns when it comes to football and high school sports. I believe soccer has little to do with bodies on the roster but not sure that plays a huge part. OHC will always run into them, and unless an OHC starts to produce some powerhouse, it's just not happening.

[Weiskittle]

In the MAC you know that u have to bust your butt every practice and every weight lifting session. Becaus you are going to play atleast 5 playoff teams and probably atleast one state championship team.

If they dont come to work everyday (players and coaches) they WILL get hurt, they WILL get fired, they HAVE to win. Over there that is the only option.

Also Coaching, there are good coaches out there, the OHC has a few good ones too. But in the MAC there are some good coaches and great coaches.

Anna, Rioch-Good coach
Coldwater, Otten-Good coach
Parkway, Carnis-Good coach
St Henry, Starky-Good coach
Minster, Moore-Really Good coach
Versailles, Former Caoch Olwin-Really Good coach
Delphos SJ, Shutte-Great coach
Marion Local, Goodwin-Great Coach

8/10 teams have coaches that any school would be happy to have. Compatition breads success, look at the SEC in college football, the SCAL in Basketball, Logan County and Baseball, the list goes on.

Plus they have freak athletes, more money, more two parent households, and community support.

ps. I know my spelling ********** lol

[catchingQB]

Originally Posted by Weiskittle

In the MAC you know that u have to bust your butt every practice and every weight lifting session. Becaus you are going to play atleast 5 playoff teams and probably atleast one state championship team.

If they dont come to work everyday (players and coaches) they WILL get hurt, they WILL get fired, they HAVE to win. Over there that is the only option.

Also Coaching, there are good coaches out there, the OHC has a few good ones too. But in the MAC there are some good coaches and great coaches.

Anna, Rioch-Good coach
Coldwater, Otten-Good coach
Parkway, Carnis-Good coach
St Henry, Starky-Good coach
Minster, Moore-Really Good coach
Versailles, Former Caoch Olwin-Really Good coach
Delphos SJ, Shutte-Great coach
Marion Local, Goodwin-Great Coach

8/10 teams have coaches that any school would be happy to have. Compatition breads success, look at the SEC in college football, the SCAL in Basketball, Logan County and Baseball, the list goes on.

Plus they have freak athletes, more money, more two parent households, and community support.

ps. I know my spelling ********** lol

Well said, Sir. It would take a combination of three OHC teams (athlete speaking) to play the MAC schedule. I believe coach Smith-WLS, coach Printz-Triad, and Coach Dewitt-SCC (and their staffs)could all coach in the MAC.

[wls_color]

I have all of the respect in the world for Smith & Printz. More-so than DeWitt, mostly because I know these two personally. I knew what they expect and how much their football programs mean to them.

But with all due respect, they would get pushed around in the MAC. At least in the beginning, simply because they don't know the "MAC way" yet. It's a different mindset. They'd all 3 get it eventually, I think any talented coach would. But it would take some time. I think we're downplaying just how important coaching is and how important training is.

Like I said before...the kids on the field are no more athletic than the kids on the OHC fields every Friday night.

[mcburg93]

Having a 100 boys in the school and getting 50-75 to come out for football also helps. I know not all the schools up there have a 100 boys but just making a point. I think burg would be lucky to average 35 boys coming out for football. Having the heart and will to win is also a big thing up there. The coaches know what it takes to win at this level. I would love to see a team from the ohc win a title.

[Weiskittle]

I think for a OHC team to win the title some things would need to happen.

1)EVERY team in the OHC needs to be good. Last your New Bremen went 0-10 as they were still a dam good team. I belive in the they would atleast be middle of the pack.

2)The non-conference games need to get alot harder. They need to play some MAC teams and some other good teams like FL, Covington, WJ, and so on.

3)Schools need to have more loyalty to their coaches. The MAC (Minus Parkway) give there coaches atleat 3 years, more often than not the coach realizes that they cant lead the team to where they wanna be and leaves on his own.

4)Everyone needs to be a workaholic, I know Anna's Coach Rioch, and Minster's Coach Moore and those guys go ablove and beyond on just about everything. The detail they use is nuts. Moore tapes everything! He tracks Everything! He runs it like a major college.

Payton is the only OHC coach I know and he is kind of the same way. He is more detailed than any other coach I know. But I'm not sure football is a ALL YEAR sport in the kids mind like it is in the MAC.

PS. I belive Payton can coach in the MAC and win, I really do.

5)Tradition. If an OHC team gets in the playoffs and gets to the second round its still a really good year. If a MAC team get to the second round its a dissipointment, a ton of other teams have mane it past there.

6)Belifing in yourself. In my mind, last years WLS team thought they could do some stuff but I dont thing they ever really belived they were going all the way. Versailles came into that game KNOWING that if they play well there wasnt a team that could keep them from winning state. Thats the mindset that you have all been talking about.

All that being said, the OHC is still a great conference and you all should be proud of what you have here. I'm stuck in the NWCC so I envy you lol

[wls_color]

We can get there...but it requires complete support from all the schools, coaches, student-athletes, parents and communities. As impossible as it would be, it's possible. I don't ever see it happening though.

[wls_color]

How great is it to have this back (JJHuddle) and be able to have a 2 page thread already (in what, a week?)? I've missed this....hoping more of the old guys come back soon!

Weiskittle, I know what you mean about the NWCC. Keep your head up though...there are 3 additions you guys made for this season that puts you on a level equal to the OHC...IMO. It's going to be rough for the rest of the NWCC for a few years...but it will make the Riversides, Waynesfield-Goshens and Ridgemonts better football teams. It stinks that Fairbanks left though. I watch a lot of NWCC football (notably Riverside) because of what I do on Friday nights...it's been bad for about 5 years. It will get better! We're glad to have you hear talking OHC with us though!

[riverrat13]

Originally Posted by wls_color

I have all of the respect in the world for Smith & Printz. More-so than DeWitt, mostly because I know these two personally. I knew what they expect and how much their football programs mean to them.

But with all due respect, they would get pushed around in the MAC. At least in the beginning, simply because they don't know the "MAC way" yet. It's a different mindset. They'd all 3 get it eventually, I think any talented coach would. But it would take some time. I think we're downplaying just how important coaching is and how important training is.

Like I said before...the kids on the field are no more athletic than the kids on the OHC fields every Friday night.

Yet Anna stepped in and went 5-4, 6-3, and 7-2 in its first three seasons in the MAC. If Toby Smith took a MAC job, he'd do just fine if he had the talent.

The idea that the OHC and MAC have the same kids yet there's some sort of mythical "MAC way" that causes the gap in results is laughable. The one intangible that helps the MAC is that their kids compete against each other from junior high on, toughening them up. But the overwhelming reason for the MAC's success is that they have great athletes for such small schools. Pick a random MAC basketball game and then a random OHC basketball game. You'll see a difference just looking at the kids in warmups.