[o.a.b.]

...or 39 % of dems voted against party while ONLY 25 % of repubs did.This was "pro-business,anti labor" legislation so obviously a greater % of dems are open-minded to business [as compared to how they're labelled ] than repubs are to whatever they suppossedly represent.If this legislation were about modernized open-free no propaganda bargaining rules,I'll bet the ranch republicans would NEVER vote with an open mind as illustrated by dems on the NAFTA legislation.The difference : Republican legislators are bought and paid for--TOLD how to vote.They don't represent people,they represent the ideals of a few

[wisdome]

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

...or 39 % of dems voted against party while ONLY 25 % of repubs did.This was "pro-business,anti labor" legislation so obviously a greater % of dems are open-minded to business [as compared to how they're labelled ] than repubs are to whatever they suppossedly represent.If this legislation were about modernized open-free no propaganda bargaining rules,I'll bet the ranch republicans would NEVER vote with an open mind as illustrated by dems on the NAFTA legislation.The difference : Republican legislators are bought and paid for--TOLD how to vote.They don't represent people,they represent the ideals of a few

Still you did not anwser the question and now you are changing your stance which makes it worse!

[Lancer '65]

I think everyone pretty well understands Kasich's motives in seeking compromise. He's killing himself with SB 5 and now he needs to find a way to try and turn this whole thing around and accuse the Democrats of not being willing to compromise. I think it's very clear what Kasich is trying to do. I also think that a whole lot of Ohioans are understanding his real motives. It's almost a little on the pitiful side.

[NapRover]

The goons in Wisconsin thought it was a no-brainer that their law would be repealed. At least Kasich can say he tried to negotiate. Kasich didn't want to talk to them and now they don't want to talk to him. The goons are very confident they will prevail.

[Duck Snort]

Are these the same "goons" that have given over 250 mil in concessions in the last contract, which included pay cuts, furloughs, and health care increases? Was this not achieved through the process of collective bargaining? Does this mean that Kasick was not truthful or sincere about the intentions of this bill?

[woody1951]

The Republican party is done in the great state of Ohio for the next 10 years because of Kasich. I think they feel the hurt done by Kasich in Washington and trying to let Kasich know just what he has done. I think its too late, Kasich made the same mistakes on Wall Street and now its time to pay. This will carry over to Obama being re-elected and an easy win in Ohio for sure, just because of Kasich being stupid. You don't need to reply to my post, let the voters do that in November and I already know and the Republicans already know how that vote just may turnout. What is negotiate to Kasich ? Shoving a bill down all the blue collar workers in Ohio. He has made a grave mistake for all Republicans.

[Ross Ford81]

The issue of talking and compromise and negotiating is way overblown here. Those who voted for the bill and signed it are accountable for the new law. Is it a good or responsible law or not? Just because the anti-SB 5 side may not want to negotiate is of no consequence to the new law that has been passed. Nobody required the law to be passed.

[NapRover]

Originally Posted by Duck Snort

Are these the same "goons" that have given over 250 mil in concessions in the last contract, which included pay cuts, furloughs, and health care increases? Was this not achieved through the process of collective bargaining? Does this mean that Kasick was not truthful or sincere about the intentions of this bill?

I think your imagination is playing tricks on you. I can't recall any of that happening. But hey, I'm old, maybe it's me. I did find a list of things Strickland promised for teachers--without a clue how he was going to pay for it.

http://www.catalyst-ohio.org/news/in...tem=696&cat=23

We were >$7B in debt, so we gave Strickland the boot and voted in Kasich to fix it. By the time the issue comes up for referendum, Wisconsin's balance sheet will have been proven to be the right path. We'll agree and that will be that.

[NapRover]

Originally Posted by woody1951

The Republican party is done in the great state of Ohio for the next 10 years because of Kasich. I think they feel the hurt done by Kasich in Washington and trying to let Kasich know just what he has done. I think its too late, Kasich made the same mistakes on Wall Street and now its time to pay. This will carry over to Obama being re-elected and an easy win in Ohio for sure, just because of Kasich being stupid. You don't need to reply to my post, let the voters do that in November and I already know and the Republicans already know how that vote just may turnout. What is negotiate to Kasich ? Shoving a bill down all the blue collar workers in Ohio. He has made a grave mistake for all Republicans.

Dream on.
“You will find that it is you who are mistaken, about a great many things.”-the Emperor
Strickland also made mistakes-like having 400,000 people lose jobs. Like Wisconsin-we'll keep all our teachers working, they just have to chip in a little-like the rest of us.

[flipflash33]

wow really you people need to all wake up since nobody else will say it no man/woman we put in power have done anything for us its about what they can get for themselves and for the people that help them achieve it. Our govt. is or has never really been for the people by the people no matter who we put in there the easier you can rest at night

[NaismithII]

Wisconsin's changes are hardly at all related to what SB 5 does. The bills are very different. Teachers and other public employees in Ohio have already been "chipping in" far more for health care insurance and pensions vs. many other states -- notably Wisconsin.

[NapRover]

Originally Posted by flipflash33

wow really you people need to all wake up since nobody else will say it no man/woman we put in power have done anything for us its about what they can get for themselves and for the people that help them achieve it. Our govt. is or has never really been for the people by the people no matter who we put in there the easier you can rest at night

I bet you voted to "fundamentally transform" America.

[NapRover]

Originally Posted by NaismithII

Wisconsin's changes are hardly at all related to what SB 5 does. The bills are very different. Teachers and other public employees in Ohio have already been "chipping in" far more for health care insurance and pensions vs. many other states -- notably Wisconsin.

Well...both governors were elected on promises to enact fiscal reform and balance the budgets. Both seek, among other things, to limit collective bargaining from public sector unions. Both have enacted legislation to do so. Both state's unions went mental and called it unfair, but those who voted them in disagree and think it's fair.
A great many public sector union workers contribute nothing for any entitlement at all. It's all on us. And we're going broke because of it. Their solution is to raise taxes and add regulations. We can't afford that. And when they strike, we lose-their employers!

[distressed05]

You're wrong and you don't know what your talking about. This is about diminishing the ability for democrats to raise campaign funding. Cutting the pay of public employees will not create jobs nor will it lower anyones taxes. Dont forget that these people pay taxes also.

[distressed05]

Nap,

I teach. I contribute to my health insurance and my retirement. If you think we have it so good, come on over.

[NaismithII]

Nap: Have you ever bothered to read SB 5 or the Wisconsin law and done a comparison -- or even bothered to find out what Ohio's state employees contribute to their pensions and health care? State employees in Ohio already pay more for their health insurance and pension premiums (pre-SB 5) than Wisconsin employees pay aAFTER their collective bargaining changes.

[o.a.b.]

Originally Posted by NapRover

Well...both governors were elected on promises to enact fiscal reform and balance the budgets. Both seek, among other things, to limit collective bargaining from public sector unions. Both have enacted legislation to do so. Both state's unions went mental and called it unfair, but those who voted them in disagree and think it's fair.
A great many public sector union workers contribute nothing for any entitlement at all. It's all on us. And we're going broke because of it. Their solution is to raise taxes and add regulations. We can't afford that. And when they strike, we lose-their employers!

yet,those who preach fiscal sanity refuse to practice it.This is my 4th retort on Republicans calling for belt-tightening but try ---TRY--to put themselves in a position to PREACH rather than PRACTICE--and you.yes you NapyRover either fail to acknowledge a basic fact/question : Are you going to lead BY EXAMPLE or just keep on harping about the size and scope of government ? Am I to assume that REPUBLICAN senators get paid LESS--am I to assume that ALL welfare recipients vote democrat ? In closing,blow it out your A$$.You're 1/2 my age and know 10% of what I know about how government REALLY operates.Eric Cantor,the lead voice for idiot John Boehner had NO PROBLEM going to FEMA to secure monies [earthquake] while b*tching about the scope of government--NOR did anti-big government Rick Parry needing money to put out forest fires.You guys preach about running government as a "business"---how much would it cost Texas to be fully bonded,in the event of a full fledged fire ? ANSWER : A whole lot more than they're paying now !!!!!

[SANDMAN965]

Kasich is pompous ############### who sticks his nose up in the air like no other! Kasich doesn't care about you and I. Kasich is for Kasich! Let's be real people if you asked him how much a gallon of milk cost, he would tell you after he tell his maid to go to the store and find out! This man knows he made a mistake and he is trying to have talks so that he won't be embarrased in the fall! The time to talk was when you had tens of thousands of hard working-class people on the front lawn of the state house! You pompous ass! People all these politicians are in it for their own personal agendas. We as a people just have to learn to vote for the lesser evil!

[flipflash33]

Originally Posted by NapRover

I bet you voted to "fundamentally transform" America.

its funny how you just assume hmm to be honest i voted for McCain the "Republican" but at the end of the day like i said before we need to worry about ourselves and not the government because the system is flawed PAC's ruined our government because it opened the door for money and greed to rule


you better not just assume you know someone get to know the truth about me. think our constitution and our laws are the best but our leaders are flawed i dont want to change who we are as a society but the common man will never have a say when rich people, PAC's, and powerful groups(backed by money) will have the say everytime.

[Lancer '65]

When the "hens come home to roost", it can be very embarrassing for the people who opened the gate in the first place. Kasich will never admit that he made a mistake, nor will Boehner. I guess it will ultimately be up to the American people to tell them. I still can't believe that Kasich tried what he tried. The Republican Party needs to tell the conservative element that for some reason has a "strangle-hold" on the party, to take a hike. A long hike.