[BGFalcons82]

I don't like the pick simply because it takes Ryan out of the House. I do agree with most of his economic ideas and policies. A few other thoughts:

The VP debate with the Human Gaffe Machine will be priceless. If it was a prize fight, they wouldn't even allow it on the card.

For those out there claiming that Romney has no specific economic plans, just generic things that everyone says, it's time to catch up with what Romney has been saying all along and Ryan's House-passed budgets. Where's Barry's plan? Oh yeah...more spending and a 3.6% rise on job creators and filthy rich making over $200,000 will fix everything. Got it. How's that spending thing working so far?

No Democrat with an IQ over 50 will claim Ryan is too inexperienced as their current WH occupier had far less in 2008.

By selecting Ryan, the focus of the election is further enhanced on the horrid state of the economy, yearly deficits, generational theft, our soaring national debt and there will be less chit-chat about traveling dogs, wives that don't work and tax returns that don't mean a dam thing.

[Homer Falcon]

Originally Posted by BGFalcons82

I don't like the pick simply because it takes Ryan out of the House. I do agree with most of his economic ideas and policies. A few other thoughts:

The VP debate with the Human Gaffe Machine will be priceless. If it was a prize fight, they wouldn't even allow it on the card.

For those out there claiming that Romney has no specific economic plans, just generic things that everyone says, it's time to catch up with what Romney has been saying all along and Ryan's House-passed budgets. Where's Barry's plan? Oh yeah...more spending and a 3.6% rise on job creators and filthy rich making over $200,000 will fix everything. Got it. How's that spending thing working so far?

No Democrat with an IQ over 50 will claim Ryan is too inexperienced as their current WH occupier had far less in 2008.

By selecting Ryan, the focus of the election is further enhanced on the horrid state of the economy, yearly deficits, generational theft, our soaring national debt and there will be less chit-chat about traveling dogs, wives that don't work and tax returns that don't mean a dam thing.

Agreed. It will be refreshing to have a candidate who is focused, quick thinking, articulate, and unafraid. Turn him loose, Mitt.

I'm betting he wasn't Romney's first pick. Score one for our new leader-elect. He's already showing objectivity. We've got a spending problem, that's the message, and Mitt just picked the best man in the country to drive that point home.

If the voters ignore it, wanna play class warfare, and dismiss the record of the incompetent Obama...so be it. But this time, we're staying on topic. I'm good with that.

**Romney/Ryan 2012**

[19AL63]

Can not wait for the debates! Ryan will make Biden look like a beginner. I do believe even the most die hard Democrats will have to admit this is going to happen. Even if you do not like what Ryan says, Biden will not have a answer, unless he uses the answer Obama gave for everything. " I (or we) have a plan", and that is the end of the answer.

[Lancer '65]

Paul Ryan is far too conservative for mainstream voters of either party. As a former Republican, disenchanted with what the "Republicans" have proposed for the last four years I applaud the choice of Paul Ryan. I seriously believe that Romney has just made President Obama's re-election even more certain.

I view the choice of Ryan as the payment of a debt that the conservatives will now collect for allowing Romney to head the ticket in an attempt (futile though it may be) to show how moderate the Republicans really are.

I did notice that only two huddlers voted for Ryan as the one Romney should select as his running mate. How come if Ryan is such a good choice? Also I would not discount Joe Biden in a debate with Ryan. Joe will be just fine and he will talk to the real concerns of the American people and not the conservative insistence on everything being about the "bottom line." And whose bottom line are we talking about anyway?

[Homer Falcon]

Originally Posted by Lancer '65

Also I would not discount Joe Biden in a debate with Ryan. Joe will be just fine...

Yer talking about the guy that couldn't best Sarah Palin? lol

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." --Joe Biden 2006

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." –-Joe Biden 2007

"Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me." --Joe Biden 2008

"If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30% chance we're going to get it wrong." --Joe Biden 2009

"Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number-one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs." --Joe Biden 2008

"My mother believed and my father believed that if I wanted to be president of the United States, I could be, I could be Vice President!" --Joe Biden 2012

I'm pretty sure Congressman Ryan is up to the task. Granted, Biden certainly has mesmerized us with his quick wit. But, we're gonna want to talk about the issues. On that, cracking those stellar one-liners, probably won't get him too far! ;)

[o.a.b.]

Why did Romney pick Ryan ? a] Both their sirnames start with "R" b] Wisconsin is a sister state to Romney's " BASE "---if that's what you want to call it c] Wisconsin is in Canada's backyard [ re-introduction to a different healthcare law] d] Wisconsin is as far north as Texas is south and this represents a feeble attempt by Romney to give Democrats amnesia when it comes to GWB [ ain't gonna happen ] ----drumroll.please-----e] the debt has been a 55 year old problem [ GWB failed miserably] .Republicans KNOW it and they KNOW they're JUST as guilty.Romney pictures Ryan as an " economic guru " .The only thing more inefficient in government than the Post Office is Congress.HELLO REALITY !!!! There is nothing worse than a woman scorned so that basically makes Republicans a bunch of pretty boy sissies,but we already knew that.

[DGUtley]

Because this guy gets that the discussion needs to be economic.

[o.a.b.]

Originally Posted by Lancer '65

Paul Ryan is far too conservative for mainstream voters of either party. As a former Republican, disenchanted with what the "Republicans" have proposed for the last four years I applaud the choice of Paul Ryan. I seriously believe that Romney has just made President Obama's re-election even more certain.

I view the choice of Ryan as the payment of a debt that the conservatives will now collect for allowing Romney to head the ticket in an attempt (futile though it may be) to show how moderate the Republicans really are.

I did notice that only two huddlers voted for Ryan as the one Romney should select as his running mate. How come if Ryan is such a good choice? Also I would not discount Joe Biden in a debate with Ryan. Joe will be just fine and he will talk to the real concerns of the American people and not the conservative insistence on everything being about the "bottom line." And whose bottom line are we talking about anyway?

I will give Ryan credit for understanding a basic premise- folks in government pretending to serve the public are just as guilty as the tit-suckers.That being said,he pulled a faux-pas picking on unionized public workers without cleaning house on the other side also.Ohio wasn't that gullible,nor will the nation be.Future economic stability starts and ends with setting the example,not pointing the finger.Kasich failed to understand it......Boehner fails to understand it........Ryan [ ? ].......and for all you naysayers,I propose this--if a cut in pay for the heirarchy wouldn't make a dent in the deficit,what does that make your $ 100--$ 200 donation mean to the party of your choice ? This country has failed to realize that we've become an ocean where bottom-feeders are easy game and the predatory sharks at the top [ party not-withstanding ] are excused.Joe Biden knows average joe.Average Joe is nothing to the 2 R's

[NapRover]

I think the far left is really afraid of this ticket, otherwise there wouldn't be such vitriol. Anyone who doesn't agree we should go Greek is an out of touch extremist. Uh huh. Sure.

[o.a.b.]

Comparing this countries slide to Europe is out of touch-their value system isn't even close to ours.We built a constitution to remain free of that pitfall and desite all of your attacks claiming Obama is trying to destroy that document,the SCOTUS backed him on the health care law and he never raised an eyelid on the un-named sources ruling [ he knows how the game is played ] If only the R's were so avid about LESS money going into government,they wouldn't have to complain about its size.If you eat too much,sooner or later ya gotta sh*t,so cut the BS

[Homer Falcon]

Originally Posted by NapRover

I think the far left is really afraid of this ticket, otherwise there wouldn't be such vitriol. Anyone who doesn't agree we should go Greek is an out of touch extremist. Uh huh. Sure.

They should be.

The very latest polls--

Gallup-- Romney 46%, Obama 46%

Rasmussen-- Romney 46%, Obama 44%

(No BS. lol)

[NapRover]

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

Comparing this countries slide to Europe is out of touch-their value system isn't even close to ours.We built a constitution to remain free of that pitfall and desite all of your attacks claiming Obama is trying to destroy that document,the SCOTUS backed him on the health care law and he never raised an eyelid on the un-named sources ruling [ he knows how the game is played ] If only the R's were so avid about LESS money going into government,they wouldn't have to complain about its size.If you eat too much,sooner or later ya gotta sh*t,so cut the BS

The comparison is spot on accurate. For some reason, Dems see Europe as the golden calf and worship it. They're broke, they're cutting off pensions, they have anarchy, chaos, uncertainty, credit downgrades. Sounds good, huh? If I don't agree, I'm an extremist. It's as if the body snatchers have gotten to you all and you must, like zombies, go get everyone else.
The party of KNOW says "NO".

When you speak of "less money going to the government", I agree-cut taxes. If you refer to their salaries, it's analogous to suggesting they all wear blue sweaters. It means absolutely nothing. If they all worked for free, they'd still have their left/right ideologies, still discuss issues with lobbyists, still pander for votes, still lie, still cheat, ad infinitum. I would really like to know why you think cutting congressman's pay will help anything, it simply won't. The concept is so irrational that it destroys your credibility in all other areas as well. "Cut congress' pay, save the world" is a worthless, false, good-for-nothing, void, meaningless idea. If there is a gifted translator out there that can present a cogent thought out of your obsession, I'd love to hear it.

[eagle5]

Question: How come Tea Party activisits and conservative Republicans like this choice? Didn't he vote for the auto bailout and the TARPS financial bailout?

[macfan7358]

This pick was done to appease the extreme right base of the Republican party. This ticket does not scare the democrats. I heard two republican strategists say Ryan would be the worse pick they could get. Their argument was that he would be to far conservative to attract middle of the road democrats, republicans, and independents. These are from Republican strategists mind you, not me. I do agree with them.

I think that most people do know it will be a tight race for the presidency. It always is, I doubt those polls you mentioned has anyone shaking in their boots. I think it will be hard for Romney to gain independent voters with Ryan has is VP pick, he is too extreme as mentioned above. Romney better hope this excites his base...because he will NEED them.

[o.a.b.]

Originally Posted by NapRover

The comparison is spot on accurate. For some reason, Dems see Europe as the golden calf and worship it. They're broke, they're cutting off pensions, they have anarchy, chaos, uncertainty, credit downgrades. Sounds good, huh? If I don't agree, I'm an extremist. It's as if the body snatchers have gotten to you all and you must, like zombies, go get everyone else.
The party of KNOW says "NO".

When you speak of "less money going to the government", I agree-cut taxes. If you refer to their salaries, it's analogous to suggesting they all wear blue sweaters. It means absolutely nothing. If they all worked for free, they'd still have their left/right ideologies, still discuss issues with lobbyists, still pander for votes, still lie, still cheat, ad infinitum. I would really like to know why you think cutting congressman's pay will help anything, it simply won't. The concept is so irrational that it destroys your credibility in all other areas as well. "Cut congress' pay, save the world" is a worthless, false, good-for-nothing, void, meaningless idea. If there is a gifted translator out there that can present a cogent thought out of your obsession, I'd love to hear it.

Pensions were snipped in this country in the early 90's--isn't it time for the "pro-business" Republicans to do the same WITHIN government ? They haven't and they won't !! Confrontation with John Q Public within the private sector is done directly through ownership with no direct input from the public.This scenerio doesn't exist within government.Cutting a congressman's pay will SURELY change his outlook when it comes to enabling others.I've said it before---if the enabled are the problem,what does that make the enabler ? We should have TWICE as much representation and every representative should be employed on a part-time basis.This would definitely give us a more reactive mobile government with a lot less soft money influencing decisions.

[NapRover]

Originally Posted by macfan7358

This pick was done to appease the extreme right base of the Republican party. This ticket does not scare the democrats. I heard two republican strategists say Ryan would be the worse pick they could get. Their argument was that he would be to far conservative to attract middle of the road democrats, republicans, and independents. These are from Republican strategists mind you, not me. I do agree with them.

I think that most people do know it will be a tight race for the presidency. It always is, I doubt those polls you mentioned has anyone shaking in their boots. I think it will be hard for Romney to gain independent voters with Ryan has is VP pick, he is too extreme as mentioned above. Romney better hope this excites his base...because he will NEED them.

How is he that extreme when he voted for the auto bailout and TARP? Is it because he sees the financial crisis we're in and wants to try and fix it? What has Obama done to fix it? Or maybe he's extreme for even thinking there's a financial crisis?

[toledomansfield]

Any choice Romney made had pros and cons. For romney to have a chance to win, he had to excite the base. Many republicans would not vote for romney. Now they have a reason to. This was a good pick. A bad pick would be a middle of the road guy and the republican base would have no reason to vote for him and they would have stayed home. The Ryan pick brings energy to the ticket.

[Domi]

Paul Ryan voted to bailout the unions. :)

It's funny how in one day the auto bailout went from a union payoff to a financial crisis.

[Homer Falcon]

Originally Posted by macfan7358

This pick was done to appease the extreme right base of the Republican party. This ticket does not scare the democrats. I heard two republican strategists say Ryan would be the worse pick they could get. Their argument was that he would be to far conservative to attract middle of the road democrats, republicans, and independents. These are from Republican strategists mind you, not me. I do agree with them.

I think that most people do know it will be a tight race for the presidency. It always is, I doubt those polls you mentioned has anyone shaking in their boots. I think it will be hard for Romney to gain independent voters with Ryan has is VP pick, he is too extreme as mentioned above. Romney better hope this excites his base...because he will NEED them.

A sitting President, in a dead, in the middle of August, who is losing the fund raising war, and has been for the last three months...is in trouble...and he most certainly knows it.

The 45-45 split has been a constant for months and that is telling as well. Conservatives having been sending a message since the 2010 mid-terms. We've seen it in the Wisconsin recall, and numerous state and local elections since. With conservatives highly motivated and liberals not so much, that 45-45 phone poll tie means Romney is winning. The missing 10% are split between 'undecided' and 'other.' None of these folks are Obama voters. After 4 years no one is 'undecided' about this administration. It's a known commodity. In reality, straw voters support Obama 45, Not Obama 55...and the 45 may or may not show up for the president. That spells trouble for liberals.

I'll be watching closely this month. If Ryan turns folks off, we'll know immediately. Because you sure are going to be hearing from him over the next few weeks. It's the economy, stupid. The message will now be cyrstal clear.

[UDFAN]

What an interesting thread. Interesting that with 2 votes in the early poll---some now argue that this guy is exactly what Romney needed to win the election (by now being able to focus the debate on the economy, out debate Vice President Joe Biden, etc. pretty silly stuff). Romney solidified the fact that he is in the back pocket of the right wing of the republican party---he may have solidified "there" votes on some level----but even with all of there votes, Ryan does NOTHING to help in OHIO, Virginia and his budget proposals (that Mitt initally embraced but has now begun to back away from) relative to a privitization of medicare, ending medicaid as we know it, social security as our seniors now it and his ultra conservative positions including his sponsorship of a variation of the "heart beat abortion bill" has just sealed President Obama's re-election!

Romney has run a horrible campaign and should have been elected as the next president---by ALL credible and historical accounts---but he has blown it----and most credible republican pundits have either said so, or specifically condemned his inability to stay properly focused OR his lack of focus on the economy, gaffs or staffing issues (many have called for a number of his current staffers to be fired)!

I can't wait for Romney to sell ending medicare---as the current seniors know it, ending social security ------as the seniors know it, etc. to the florida voters who have ALL READY indicated in most of the recent polls that Mitt probably won't carry that state. OUCH!!!!

Heck, Ryan and his radical views will probably even push some Catholic women back onto the Obama side of the equation after his voting record and views are exposed regarding the "heart beat" abortion bill (a simialr bill didn't even pass in Mississippi of all places).

Yesterday was a very good day for President Obama and Democrats in general---but hey Ronmney should now get most of the conservatives votes----(I thought he had most of them already)--but he'll need alot more to win!:o

Blaze away!!!:D