Sorry to hijack the thread. My only point is that if you want to be in the state's elite you need to schedule some games against the state's elite. You need to see how you measure up. I know that is what we are trying to do at Hartley. We would like to be among the very best in Ohio, so we are taking advantages of the openings on our schedule, as well as being an independent, and trying to play the very best teams in the state.
I am sorry if I misinterpreted. I thought 57 Chevy was trying to say that they 'could do damage in the playoffs if they got in' and such, inferring that they would also like to attempt to be among the Ohio's elite teams, as we are working hard to try as well.
I know Hartley's coaches speak highly of Johnstown and would love to play. Of course, that has to work both ways. I will leave this thread alone now, after I respond to a couple of key points 57 Chevy failed to make
You are right, but take teams off the schedule that are higher divisions and replace with upper level teams in same division would be ideal. I've argued for years that high school football should split into sectionals or districts of 9-11 teams and play the same size schools closest to them to decide who goes to the playoffs. But for now you play who is in your league (tough or weak) and you get a few non-league games as well.
I dont understand what you are trying to say here. Hartley is close to you geograpthically and size wise. I would think this would be a good game? Your league is weak. You are leaving that league and going into one that is stronger, but not much (I will show you how to analyze strength of schedule later).
Hard work only takes you so far. We can't all pick all star teams to come to our school. Some schools have to work hard on player development. Our school enrollment reflects all of our community, not just the upper and upper middle and a select few that we'll take because they are great athletes.
Again, I dont know what you are going for. I would guess that every team, good or bad, works hard to develop their players? I dont know who is an all star team, all i can look at is my team. We had an offensive line with a tackle that was 5'9 200 and a guard that was 5'9 165. i dont know that they were the greatest athletes, but they were really tough, played really hard and we were sure proud of them. I guess you are right, we would not trade them for anyone.
Good Luck with your superstar schedule. You think Ursuline deserved to be in the playoffs last year?
no. If they would have deserved to get in the playoffs they would have been in the playoffs. no excuses. We all get what our works deserve.
I'm just saying there is no benefit of beating your kids heads in playing every tough team during the regular season. Jtown is DIV/DV and is fortunate to have depth for similar schools. How many kids on the Hartley Roster 9-12? 100?
Looking at the playoff roster of hartley there looks to be 65 kids on it. that includes some 9th graders. I know that the coaches would love to have 100 players on the roster though.
Exactly that's why you get to pick your schedule and join a league so you can play local schools and have county/local rivalries. It's a lot different than being an independent DIV school that can control enrollment and play a schedule depending on how good your talent is each year.
Catholic schools dont really control their enrollment. It doesnt really work that way, students and tuition are needed to pay for the school. It is much different than public schools. I would be happy to explain the financial structure to you. Just PM me.
We are fortuntate to play an independent schedule, you are correct. This, IMO allows us to compete against some really good teams and prepare us for the playoffs.
Sorry one league game doesn't qualify as a league.
Ready has made a mockery of you every time you played them.
Keep talking about our schedule, why don't you guys play a true CCL schedule? Because your program would die after taking yearly beatings from Desales, Watterson, etc.
We are playing Watterson this year, St Charles next and DeSales after that. We are confident that our program will not die. I cant predict whether we will take a yearly beating or not, but it is sure going to be exciting for our players, coaches, school and community to see if we can be good enough to compete with those teams.
Did you play Utica? Do you know anything about rivalries? Upsets? It's a part of football. Utica had one of the best QBs and WRs they have ever had.
Even if a punchers chance is all they would have had, they would have made the most of their opportunity.
No we have never played the vaunted power Utica. It is safe to say they wont be on the schedule any time soon. But who knows? Maybe they would have a punchers chance against us? Im sure Hartley has never seen a QB or WR quite like what Utica has. Good thing we never played them.
How do you measure toughest schedule in the state? It's all opinion and not a sound measure unless everyone played everyone. Hypothetical exists to make us all feel better.
no need to guess and hypothetical and such. Just check out www.fantastic50.net and it has the strength of schedules for the past few years on there.
If it happens it will have to be in the playoffs. Schedule is full at the moment. I know our freshmen played Hartley a few years ago. Did Hartley call when they had openings or they just want Jtown to drop a team in contract? I don't know if Jtown has any openings.
It was my understanding coming from the coach that the Athletic Director from Johnstown sent an opening across the state for one of Johnstowns non-league games. Hartley then contacted Johnstown.
I did not say Hartley did not work hard. I'm just saying that talent makes you look really good, especially if you can get talent to work hard and stay motivated. I'm inferring that Hartley is a DIV school with D2 school enrollment representation...
I dont understand how my made that inference.
You should be a DIV powerhouse. A few years ago we were not very good. We were beaten by the Columbus Crusaders in 2007. I dont know that we are a powerhouse, but we are certainly working hard to get to the level where we can be the very best in the state.
Let Jtown skim the kids off enrollment down to DV or DVI and see how they fair.
Let me get this straight, you think that Hartley-or any private school-skims down enrollment, and tutiton dollars so that they can win a few games? Really?
I've been around private schools and public schools to know that your enrollment numbers to not reflect a similar total population of most public schools who have a high % of students who are not enrolled in any extra curricular activity. Hartley probably has a 75% participation in extra curriculars, if you include arts and clubs I'd guess 90% or higher.
True. Most of our students are involved in extra curriculars. it is a very cool thing to be a part of.
Cburg 2011 8-2 Jtown 13-1
Cburg 2010 3-7 Jtown 7-3
Cburg 2009 2-8 Jtown 5-5
Cburg 2008 1-9 Jtown 8-3
Cburg 2007 3-7 Jtown 9-3
Cburg 2006 5-5 Jtown 9-3
Cburg 2005 11-3 Jtown 7-3
Cburg 2004 4-6 Jtown 8-2
Cburg 2003 8-4 Jtown 5-5
Cburg 2002 3-7 Jtown 7-4
One good year, one winning season while at Cburg. Carter while at Jtown has developed players, overachieved and yet to have a losing seasons. Carter could leave every year if he wanted to and has turned down a lot of schools. Hartley is a better situation than Cburg for sure. I'm more impressed with what Carter has done in Jtown than Bfield winning a title at Hartley. He saw the writing on the wall and got out while he could. (I know the job was closer to home, probably biggest reason he left)
[b]I dont care about Centerburg. I know we are happy to have the coach that we have had. I dont konw that 'seeing the writing on the wall' had anything to do with leaving Centerburg.
Great that you are impressed with Coach Carter. But you know that he could not leave Johnstown if he wanted to. He has not been offered any other jobs. Please name them or dont just throw out blanket statements.
Here are some things I do know about the job opportunities of Coach Carter:
He was refused the job in his own school (Westerville North)
Coach Jacoby fired him from DeSales (asked him not to come back)
The school board and principal at Johnstown has done everything in their power to get him to leave. He has survived so far, but they continue to make his life miserable.
To be fair, I asked our coaches about him and they had nothing but complimentary things to say about him as both a coach and a person. Im sure hes a great coach too. He has B]
Did you watch the game? I think Cburg went 99 yards and put the game away. My memory is foggy, but I know it was the major play of the game.
No I did not watch the game. I just saw the score on Joe Eitel when you said that the game came down to a 4th down play. The score said it did not.
see record while at Cburg... Jtown staff has longevity, just not a title.
I would not hold my breath
Two D2s, 3D3s, plus Heath, Utica, Newark Catholic. All of those teams will prepare you for post season.
No they wont
When you are a public school you would be glad to have a schedule with consistent teams with respectable programs such as: Licking Valley, Granville, Heath, Newark Catholic. Watkins is a little down now, but not far removed from playoffs.
They have made it twice in their school history.
LH has talent, just hasn't put it together yet, but still a D2 school.
So is Franklin Heights
Utica's community produces talented kids
Again, that is a matter of perspective.
and Nridge down now, but not far removed from great seasons either. So one cupcake in Lakewood and one non-league game. It may not be 11th in the state, but respectable year in, year out.
No its not. But its local and easy.
You go to the game? Jtown played well 1st half, laid an egg 2nd half, but it got out of hand real quick. Norwayne got hot and won it all. But overall that 30 point difference was not a true reflection on the two teams talent levels. Franklin Rushed for 300 and Smith over 100.
Right it was not a reflection of the two talent levels. Those players had HUGE second halfs against Norwayne's JVs.
Couple 4th down plays from being a different ball game and Jtown Defense never rose to the occasion and packed it in late. Norwayne deserved to win, but jtown beat themselves a little too, which usually happens in any game you lose.
Did you go to that game? Jtown was much better.
No you were 3 points better. That was the score of the game.
Coshocton was a tough scrappy team that game.
Against you, not against us. Again, its who you play more than how you play.
Jtown was on the cusp of blowing them out early, but you had to be there to understand.
ton different team than when you played them.
The only thing different was the opponent.
Hey I'll defend my team and you can keep beating your chest. Carter came from Desales, maybe he knows there is no benefit in playing a quality private school in the regular season in non-conference. Jtown would be better suited playing Amanda or Ironton or Coshocton, but hopefully it will happen in the post season. What division will you be next time?
I think we will be Division IV? We have 215 boys in our school. In the latest projection after the 7th division we were moved to Division V. But who knows? If we are Division V we are going to do our best to play the best so we can be prepared to be really good (See the front page story about Hartley and Coldwater playing---but why would Coldwater play Hartley but not Johnstown? I think we all know the answer to that). If we are Division IV we will do our best to play the best so that we can be prepared to be really good. if we are Division III we will do our best--you get the idea.
Best of luck to Johnstown. if you ever want to play contact our coach or AD. Im sure it could get worked out. Until then, good luck in that big rivalry game against utica where anything can happen