[DGUtley]

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

Vindictive ?????? Every Republicon on this site demeans the current president and completely fails to endorse their candidate.

Really? C'mon, you know that's not true. I can't recall one substantive post where you haven't demeaned the Republicans about things that everybody else on this site knows that the Democrats also do. Whether you do this to get people riled, or, whether you truly believe the spew you post is hard to know. Completely fails to endorse their candidate? I don't even know what that means. Every Republican I know completely and totally endorses anybody but Obama.

That forms a government built by ' the lesser of two evils "--a government seriously falling short of its goals.

What?

Again,I want the "lesser government" people to practice what they preach -- denounce soft money, demand that the representatives claiming OTHER public employees are making too much to set the example. Smaller government, like charity, begins at home.

Whenever we try to cut the government, you scream that we are throwing someone under the bus. Which is it that you want?

For $375,000/annually , I could buy one John Boehner susceptible to more money on the side or I could buy 9-10 teachers having 20 X the POSITIVE impact on the future.

Your math is way way off. I don't know where you get your numbers, but the current salary (2011-2012) for rank-and-file members of the House and Senate is $174,000 per year.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm

And, no, you can't hire 9-10 teachers, the average Ohio teacher salary is: $50,314. http://www.teacherportal.com/salary/Ohio-teacher-salary
Again, facts -- speak facts, not talking points that you've picked up somewhere on the web.

Also, please provide me citations that John Boehner can be bought. Please. You've insinuated that Mr. Boehner, the Speaker of the House, can be bought, please provide a few links supporting your contention. Unless -- of course, it's must more anti-Republican jibberish. Thank you.

It's a no brainer and doesn't include John Boehner. Republicans need to man up or shad up.

Man up about what? Whenever we try to cut the government, you scream that we are throwing someone under the bus. Which is it that you want?

Originally Posted by ringer

Taking extreme positions on either side does nothing to make either look reasonable. Are there poor people who are lazy and the cause of their own problems? of course, whether liberals deny it or not. Are there poor who are victims of terrible circumstance and deserve our help? Of course, whether conservatives want to admit it or not. Is there real justification for requiring proof of citizenship in order to vote? Of course, whether liberals want to deny it or not. Is there real risk of disenfranchising some people? of course, whether conservatives want to admit it or not. Talk of bringing guns to the streets and so forth is simply absurd, though. Calm down, folks.

Agree.

[Zunardo]

Originally Posted by bethere

i have put bgfalcon on my ignore list several times over the years and EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU APPEAR ON THE SCENE JUST AS SOON AS I DO THAT.

bgflcon = green__n_gold76

Then great minds think alike. :)

You will have to trust me on this, but your equation is incorrect.

[wisdome]

Originally Posted by DGUtley

Really? C'mon, you know that's not true. I can't recall one substantive post where you haven't demeaned the Republicans about things that everybody else on this site knows that the Democrats also do. Whether you do this to get people riled, or, whether you truly believe the spew you post is hard to know. Completely fails to endorse their candidate? I don't even know what that means. Every Republican I know completely and totally endorses anybody but Obama.


What?

Whenever we try to cut the government, you scream that we are throwing someone under the bus. Which is it that you want?

Your math is way way off. I don't know where you get your numbers, but the current salary (2011-2012) for rank-and-file members of the House and Senate is $174,000 per year.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm

And, no, you can't hire 9-10 teachers, the average Ohio teacher salary is: $50,314. http://www.teacherportal.com/salary/Ohio-teacher-salary
Again, facts -- speak facts, not talking points that you've picked up somewhere on the web.

Also, please provide me citations that John Boehner can be bought. Please. You've insinuated that Mr. Boehner, the Speaker of the House, can be bought, please provide a few links supporting your contention. Unless -- of course, it's must more anti-Republican jibberish. Thank you.

Man up about what? Whenever we try to cut the government, you scream that we are throwing someone under the bus. Which is it that you want?


Agree.

Somebody has been served!

[19AL63]

I just read the rules and how to get a PA ID and they even cover people like the Amish who do not believe in have a photo of themselves taken. Since the Amish do not drive car, etc, I would like to talk to them on how they feel about having to get the ID.

[BGFalcons82]

Originally Posted by Zunardo

Then great minds think alike. :)

You will have to trust me on this, but your equation is incorrect.

Thanks, Z :)

I've not met green-n-gold, but I get the idea his values and beliefs are much like mine. Poor fella!

[bethere]

Originally Posted by SBFAMILY

Yes, it’s usually misleading to add numbers. Pennsylvania journalists should report every individual number separately, and just write 1,636,168 different stories about the topic. Kind of shots a hole thru bethere numbers.

have you ever head of sarcasm? that is what the writer was using here.

it is never misleading to add the numbers.

i am not allowed to call you a moron. that ruling leaves me with little left to say about you and your post.

[bethere]

Originally Posted by DGUtley

Really? C'mon, you know that's not true. I can't recall one substantive post where you haven't demeaned the Republicans about things that everybody else on this site knows that the Democrats also do. Whether you do this to get people riled, or, whether you truly believe the spew you post is hard to know. Completely fails to endorse their candidate? I don't even know what that means. Every Republican I know completely and totally endorses anybody but Obama.


What?

Whenever we try to cut the government, you scream that we are throwing someone under the bus. Which is it that you want?

Your math is way way off. I don't know where you get your numbers, but the current salary (2011-2012) for rank-and-file members of the House and Senate is $174,000 per year.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm

And, no, you can't hire 9-10 teachers, the average Ohio teacher salary is: $50,314. http://www.teacherportal.com/salary/Ohio-teacher-salary
Again, facts -- speak facts, not talking points that you've picked up somewhere on the web.

Also, please provide me citations that John Boehner can be bought. Please. You've insinuated that Mr. Boehner, the Speaker of the House, can be bought, please provide a few links supporting your contention. Unless -- of course, it's must more anti-Republican jibberish. Thank you.

Man up about what? Whenever we try to cut the government, you scream that we are throwing someone under the bus. Which is it that you want?


Agree.

counselor, are you comfortable with up to 43% of the registered votes in one of america's largest cities being barred from voting in order for your candidate to win that state?

yes or no?

[docthehun]

You know they could tweak this law just a little and virtually assure that the numbers would go way down. Who really cares if your ID expired as long as you didn't? Come on, a little common sense here would go a long way.

[bethere]

Originally Posted by docthehun

You know they could tweak this law just a little and virtually assure that the numbers would go way down. Who really cares if your ID expired as long as you didn't? Come on, a little common sense here would go a long way.

they could, but their stated goal isn't the same as their real goal. their real goal is only met if all of these people are denied the right to vote. none of this was a miscalculation nor a mistake. mass disenfranchisement was their intention, not an accident.

[Grantland]

Originally Posted by bethere

all citizens, should be required to vote. it shouldn't matter if you or anyone else believes that they are informed or not. they are affected and they should have a voice.

any party that would try to win office by barring 43% of the registered voters in their opponent's stronghold city should not be trusted with power. we watched the gop do this in florida in 2000, so we know what they are capable of.

read what I said,I do not desire to see anyone denied their right to vote. Follow the rules that the state set up. it is the same for both sides constituents.

I agree you should have a voice in the process, but you should also have your own mind, and make it up yourself not be told. If you don't know anything about what your going to vote on then shame on you!

Your more likely to get screwed over by the guy offering the free lunch he's taking something he's just not going to tell you until it's to late.

[bethere]

Originally Posted by Grantland

read what I said,I do not desire to see anyone denied their right to vote. Follow the rules that the state set up. it is the same for both sides constituents.

I agree you should have a voice in the process, but you should also have your own mind, and make it up yourself not be told. If you don't know anything about what your going to vote on then shame on you!

Your more likely to get screwed over by the guy offering the free lunch he's taking something he's just not going to tell you until it's to late.

the moment you start evaluating whether someone is informed enough to vote you start down a seriously steep slope. poll testing is unconstitutional in the this country and has been for over a hundred years. the same with poll taxing. both are well settled law that in the end, the robert's court will uphold--5-4, o perhaps 6-3.

it is easy to show cause when 43% of a city's voting population is suddenly disqualified and most of these people are hispanic or afican-american. at a minimum they will issue a restraining order.

if they don't philadelphia will be burned. literally. spontaneously. a riot, there will be no leaders. it would make the oj riots look like a sunday stroll. we are well past the point of this being a game.

did you know that abraham lincoln never did appear on a southern ballot in a presidential election? in that fact you can see clearly the longstanding southern conservative tradition of denying the vote to their opponents.

[Homer Falcon]

After 4 pages of absolute drivel I'm required to redirect.

1) The SCOTUS has ruled voter ID constitutional. The majority opinion was written by a liberal.

2) In the states that have enacted voter ID laws there is zero evidence of ANY voter suppression.

3) In fact, after Georgia enacted voter ID laws minority voting INCREASED.

4) The thread starter has wasted your time with a hypothetical conclusion backed with tons of hyperbole.

5) It's the economy, stupid.

[DGUtley]

Originally Posted by bethere

counselor, are you comfortable with up to 43% of the registered votes in one of america's largest cities being barred from voting in order for your candidate to win that state? yes or no?

No. In the hyperbole that is today's election cycle and the accusations / positions etc. taken by everybody, i question the validity of 1% let alone 43%. In Medina County, we show an ID. It's a non-issue. I don't get why it's an issue, frankly. I want everybody to vote that is 18 or over and a US Citizen. I still don't understand why an ID is such a big deal - when we have to show ID's for everything these days.

My friend, are you comfortable with people that don't meet the legal qualifications to vote being able to walk in and vote; there being no method to validate their entitlement to vote? yes or no.

My Indians are tanking big time. Browns Veterans hit camp and the Indians go into a so-far 4- game slide.

[buckeyedan]

did you know 73.8% of all statistics are made up?

Great example here.

So... 437,237 people in Philly MAY not possess and ID... well it might be 12... but whatever.

This story would be a great case study in how to turn a story with false statistics.
The arguement is should we require voters to have and ID? I say yes.
There really is no logical arguement for saying no - so to take that position you have to make something up:

So instead of arguing the merits of the concept we are instead told it's wrong because SO MANY people don't have IDs... or maybe they do... but they might not! so we simply can't chance it.

Brilliant

[DGUtley]

Originally Posted by bethere

the moment you start evaluating whether someone is informed enough to vote you start down a seriously steep slope. poll testing is unconstitutional in the this country and has been for over a hundred years. the same with poll taxing. both are well settled law that in the end, the robert's court will uphold--5-4, o perhaps 6-3.

Yes, well said. You should not disenfranchise anybody that has the legal privilege to vote.

it is easy to show cause when 43% of a city's voting population is suddenly disqualified and most of these people are hispanic or afican-american. at a minimum they will issue a restraining order.

Again, I question the percentages. I disagree that the intent is to disenfranchise.

if they don't philadelphia will be burned. literally. spontaneously. a riot, there will be no leaders. it would make the oj riots look like a sunday stroll. we are well past the point of this being a game.

You know something we don't?

did you know that abraham lincoln never did appear on a southern ballot in a presidential election? in that fact you can see clearly the longstanding southern conservative tradition of denying the vote to their opponents.

This article suggests that while that is technically true, the fact is that nobody was on the ballot in the south, the north, the east or the west. http://franklinsopus.org/2011/12/was...-in-the-south/

[DGUtley]

Originally Posted by buckeyedan

did you know 73.8% of all statistics are made up? Great example here. . . . . This story would be a great case study in how to turn a story with false statistics.

Another one -- After the terrible shooting in Colorado, George from Seinfeld posted an article on twitter or facebook screaming about the '100,000 Americans that die each year because of domestic gun violence'. The reality is that the last know number is roughly 12,000 homicides. Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_were_killed_by_guns_in_America_las t_year#ixzz21S8JDnVS IF you count suicides, accidents and police shootings the number is approximately 30,000 -- 30% of Jason Alexander's rant. Yep, statistics are frequently made up, to fit an agenda.

[docthehun]

I'm right 100% of the time, except when I'm not. :)

[DGUtley]

Originally Posted by docthehun

I'm right 100% of the time, except when I'm not. :)

You were wrong once, Doc?

[docthehun]

Originally Posted by DGUtley

You were wrong once, Doc?

It's the funniest thing, but every time I think I was wrong, it turns out I was mistaken. What's a guy to do? :D

[ringer]

It is akin to the liberal claims that the streets of Europe would run with Jewish blood after pogroms stirred up by "The Passion of the Christ" film.