[NC Rattlesnake]

Originally Posted by daquips

OSU has more cupcakes than Hostess.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[BD6372]

Originally Posted by big_tiger_fan1

the big ten has slipped in national regard.

I don't think so, the B1G hasn't been held in high regard since the 60's and 70's. Over the past 30 years the B1G has been the I would judge 2nd or 3rd best conference behind the SEC and sometimes behind the PAC10 and Big 12 (but not both of those every year) They have always been better than the Big East and ACC. People across the country don't like the B1G because they bring in the most money (now that is becoming more equal) and the B1G schools have an arrogance about themselves that is off putting to a lot of people. Most seasons they are put in Bowl games that are above where they should be playing just because they travel well and bring in the money (again this turns fans off to the B1G) Now with Michigan returning to power and the addition of Nebraska and Urban Meyer at Ohio State, I think that the B1g will challenge the SEC for top conference in the next couple years. They now have 6 solid programs 1.Ohio State 2. Michigan 3. Nebraska. 4.Wisconsin 5.Penn State 6. Michigan State with Iowa and Northwestern also being pretty good most seasons. The B1G is better most years than they are given credit for.

[NC Rattlesnake]

^^SEC will be alone at number one for a long time. Nothing against the Big Ten, but the SEC has the most dominant teams year in and year out. Plus they've been winning most of the championships recently, so I think SEC is gonna be the top football conference for a long time.

[BD6372]

Originally Posted by NC Rattlesnake

^^SEC will be alone at number one for a long time. Nothing against the Big Ten, but the SEC has the most dominant teams year in and year out. Plus they've been winning most of the championships recently, so I think SEC is gonna be the top football conference for a long time.

We'll see, there's no arguing that the SEC is the best now and in the last 10-12 years but I think things are changing. Everything runs in cycles. USC is getting better (surprisingly) under Kiffen to join Oregon and sometimes Stanford as PAC12 powers, Texas is getting better after a couple of down seasons and along with Oklahoma and maybe Okie State could lead the BIG12 to a title..Florida State seems to be back and with there recruiting base Miami will not be down for long in the ACC. The B1G is getting deeper in decent teams but with the recruiting job Hoke and Meyer are doing, the rest of the Conference will struggle to keep pace. No one can currently match the SEC top to bottom and that may not change anytime soon but there are elite teams at the top of some of these other conferences that will challenge the SEC's strangle hold on the NC.

[NC Rattlesnake]

^^I see what you're saying. Many teams are really stacking up and will be elite for a while. Plus a lot of the smaller schools are starting to make themselves known in the polls, like Boise State and TCU. That's why I believe the NCAA should consider an 8 team playoff to really see who is the best of the best.

[BD6372]

Originally Posted by NC Rattlesnake

^^I see what you're saying. Many teams are really stacking up and will be elite for a while. Plus a lot of the smaller schools are starting to make themselves known in the polls, like Boise State and TCU. That's why I believe the NCAA should consider an 8 team playoff to really see who is the best of the best.

I agree with the 8 team playoff.

[Moose73]

I'd like to see them play the following on a rotating basis....
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Boise State
Florida
Florida State
LSU
Miami (FL)
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Oregon
Tennessee
Texas
Texas A&M
USC
Virginia Tech

A couple of them each year. Just work down the list.

[NC Rattlesnake]

^^I think they have a home-and-home series with Oklahoma and Virginia Tech in a couple years. I could be wrong, but that's just what I heard.

[big_tiger_fan1]

the big ten needs to do well in bowl games for the national attention.

[NC Rattlesnake]

^^They have been. It's the championships and BCS games people look back at. Not to mention the big non-conference games in the regular season.

[BD6372]

Originally Posted by NC Rattlesnake

^^They have been. It's the championships and BCS games people look back at. Not to mention the big non-conference games in the regular season.

You're 100% correct, even though Ohio State is 5-3 in BCS games the only games non OSU fans remember is the embarrassing loss to Florida and the not as bad loss to LSU in 2 NC games. The Buckeyes blowout loss to Florida gave the whole conference a blackeye that it has not yet overcome and won't until a B1G team wins the NC.(preferrably with a win over an SEC school) Also OSU's 2 nonconference losses to USC didn't help either especially the 2nd one. Now that Michigan looks to be back and the addition of Nebraska to the B1G everything shouldn't be on Ohio State to carry the B1G in these nonconference matchups, (example Michigan-Alabama this coming season).

[Red_Skin_Pride]

Originally Posted by daquips

OSU has more cupcakes than Hostess.

Of your last 6 national champions from the SEC (EXCLUDING BOWL GAMES):

24 non-conference games total.

Only 4 of those 24 opponents has been ranked in the top 25.

Only 1 has been ranked in the top 20 (Virginia Tech in 2007 at #9, which was a home game for LSU).

7 of the 24 opponents have been from "power"/major conferences. 12 were mid majors, while 5 were FCS schools.

Slightly over 80% of the 24 non-league games have been home games. (Excluding the 1 neutral sight game between Alabama and Virginia Tech in 2009 played in Atlanta).

Of the 7 non-league games vs. major/power conference opponents, 4 were home games, 2 were away, and 1 was neutral.

1 of those 24 non-league games has been played outside of southeastern portion of the country (Alabama AT Penn State in 2011). Or by simpler means, north of the mason-dixon line/and/or west of the Mississippi.

Why point this out? In contrast, in that time span (2006-2011) I give you Ohio State's non-conference resume. Shall we compare?

OSU has also played 24 non-league games in this time frame.

4 of the 24 opponents were ranked in the top 25.

3 of those 4 opponents were ranked either #1 (2008 USC), #2 (2006 Texas) or #3 (2009 USC). #12 ranked Miami [Fla] (2010) was the other ranked opponent.

2 of the 4 games vs. ranked opponents were home, 2 were on the road (2006 Texas, 2008 USC).

OSU has played 8 non-league games against "power"/major conference opponents in this time frame. 14 other opponents were mid majors, while only 2 were FCS schools (Youngstown state in 2007 and 2008).

Slightly over 80% of OSU's non-league games are played at home (excluding 1 neutral sight game with Toledo).

Of the 8 power/major conference opponents in this time frame, 4 were home games, 4 were away games.

4 of these 24 games were played greater than 1,000 miles from Columbus, spanning across 3 different time zones (Washington, USC, Texas, and Miami).

I'm tired of hearing the haters hate. OSU plays equal to better schedules year in and year out than the best of the SEC do, and we will travel. We've played WAY better non-league competition than any of your national championship teams have, more teams from major conferences, and a NOTICEABLE amount less FCS schools.

Finally, think about this: In the next 5-6 years, OSU will have added Virginia Tech, Cal and Oklahoma to this list twice each. Yet again, going all over the country to play major teams.

I didn't see one name on any of those 6 SEC schedules I looked at that came anywhere close to an OKLAHOMA, TEXAS or USC in a non-league game. Miami and Florida State were the biggest 2 names I saw, and guess who played them? Florida. In state.

You trolls can keep arguing, but you're dead wrong. SEC plays more FCS schools, doesn't travel ANYWHERE but in their own southeastern portion of the country, and doesn't play very many ranked teams in non-league play. And the numbers are above, in case you'd like to refute it. I can't wait to hear your responses.

Since most of the trolls like to argue the "SEC vs. OSU" argument, here are your numbers. This isn't a one on one comparison. This is SIX of your VERY BEST TEAMS against one. They should be out killing everyone, dominating the competition shouldn't they? After all they are the all powerful SEC. Yet they aren't. They're sitting in their own back yard, beating Tennesse-Chattanooga (I see they're a favorite of several SEC schools), and North Texas. Pretty easy to get comfortable when you never have to leave the house. On top of all the non-league games that are at home (over 80%), 100% of the league games...HOW MANY bowl games are played down there? Like 3/4 of them?

If OSU has more cupcakes than Hostess, the SEC is the fat kid gobbling up all those cupcakes. Seriously, go out and see the world. Play against someone where you can't drive to the game from your house that morning. Or do they not have airports in the south? I've been there plenty of times, I'm pretty sure they do. Someone should inform some of these AD's that they are allowed to travel by plane.

[hspbuy1]

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[WapakMB08]

Originally Posted by Moose73

I'd like to see them play the following on a rotating basis....
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Boise State
Florida
Florida State
LSU
Miami (FL)
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Oregon
Tennessee
Texas
Texas A&M
USC
Virginia Tech

A couple of them each year. Just work down the list.

All of the bolded football teams above are teams that have had a home-and-home series with Ohio State recently or in the near future. I believe some people have already pointed this out. So for those teams that OSU has recently already completed home-and-home series with (Miami, Texas, USC) it's unlikely they'll play an additional home-and-home anytime soon. This leaves VT and OU in the upcoming years as well as a home-and-home with North Carolina in 2015/2017.

Otherwise, the majority of teams listed are SEC squads who are notorious for weak out of conference scheduling. It's probably unlikely there will be a solid deal between OSU and this many SEC schools in the near future, especially considering OSU and Georgia cancelled their previously scheduled home-and-home series. Besides, some of those SEC schools above already have a difficult conference slate and some huge out of conference games already scheduled in the upcoming years. (check fbschedules.com/ncaa for more info). It's also probably unlikely that Notre Dame will end up on the schedule considering all of the games ND wants to have on their independent schedule (Mich, MSU, Purdue, Stanford, USC, Boston College, Service academies, etc.). Although with UM and ND taking a two year break from 2018-2020, it's possible OSU could jump in there.

But I agree with your list. OSU definitely needs to strengthen their out of conference scheduling. This year and 2013 are pretty embarrassingly easy, although it's not their fault Cal has fallen off the map or the Miami series wasn't that great either considering the Hurricanes' woes. Regardless, with the future B1G-PAC scheduling agreement and the possibility of strength of schedule being incorporated to the playoff system, I think OSU will be just fine.

[big_tiger_fan1]

a lot of emhasis put on won lost record,thats why we see these mismatch non conference games played nation wide.

[TDave]

Now that the Big 10-Pac 12 scheduling alliance is dead, maybe the Buckeyes can get Georgia and/or Tennessee back for a home and home.......OSU was supposed to play the Bulldogs(2021-2022) until this alliance was tentatively agreed upon. Also had Tennessee on the schedule for 2019-2020 but that was cancelled as well.

I don't mind the Buckeyes playing an Ohio school, but I also want to see OSU step up and play a big-time program as well.

[OSUEAST22]

Would like to see the Buckeyes play fours teams:
1) Notre Dame-alot of kids go to MSU, PURDUE, TSUN just to get a chance to play and beat the Irish.
2)TEXAS-great recruiting draw and exposure for OSU.
3) FSU-we owe the Noles one.
4) Tennessee-another battle with a recruiting rival.
5)OKLAHOMA-Just a great marquee match-up with two of college footballs "Blue Bloods". Great exposure game.
6) others- Maryland, Boston College if ND won't schedue tosu, Clemson-would be interesting to say the least.

[NC Rattlesnake]

They won't schedule an SEC team. Ever.

[BD6372]

Originally Posted by NC Rattlesnake

They won't schedule an SEC team. Ever.

That goes both ways, the elite SEC schools don't want to come to Columbus anymore than OSU wants to go to Florida, Alabama, LSU. Too much to lose early in the season with the new playoff format. We can only hope that at least some of these interesting nonconference games will still be played in September but I'm not holding my breath. I think that you're more likely to see the SEC top vs B1G bottom feeders and Big top teams vs SEC bottom.

[daquips]

Originally Posted by Red_Skin_Pride

Of your last 6 national champions from the SEC (EXCLUDING BOWL GAMES):

24 non-conference games total.

Only 4 of those 24 opponents has been ranked in the top 25.

Only 1 has been ranked in the top 20 (Virginia Tech in 2007 at #9, which was a home game for LSU).

7 of the 24 opponents have been from "power"/major conferences. 12 were mid majors, while 5 were FCS schools.

Slightly over 80% of the 24 non-league games have been home games. (Excluding the 1 neutral sight game between Alabama and Virginia Tech in 2009 played in Atlanta).

Of the 7 non-league games vs. major/power conference opponents, 4 were home games, 2 were away, and 1 was neutral.

1 of those 24 non-league games has been played outside of southeastern portion of the country (Alabama AT Penn State in 2011). Or by simpler means, north of the mason-dixon line/and/or west of the Mississippi.

Why point this out? In contrast, in that time span (2006-2011) I give you Ohio State's non-conference resume. Shall we compare?

OSU has also played 24 non-league games in this time frame.

4 of the 24 opponents were ranked in the top 25.

3 of those 4 opponents were ranked either #1 (2008 USC), #2 (2006 Texas) or #3 (2009 USC). #12 ranked Miami [Fla] (2010) was the other ranked opponent.

2 of the 4 games vs. ranked opponents were home, 2 were on the road (2006 Texas, 2008 USC).

OSU has played 8 non-league games against "power"/major conference opponents in this time frame. 14 other opponents were mid majors, while only 2 were FCS schools (Youngstown state in 2007 and 2008).

Slightly over 80% of OSU's non-league games are played at home (excluding 1 neutral sight game with Toledo).

Of the 8 power/major conference opponents in this time frame, 4 were home games, 4 were away games.

4 of these 24 games were played greater than 1,000 miles from Columbus, spanning across 3 different time zones (Washington, USC, Texas, and Miami).

I'm tired of hearing the haters hate. OSU plays equal to better schedules year in and year out than the best of the SEC do, and we will travel. We've played WAY better non-league competition than any of your national championship teams have, more teams from major conferences, and a NOTICEABLE amount less FCS schools.

Finally, think about this: In the next 5-6 years, OSU will have added Virginia Tech, Cal and Oklahoma to this list twice each. Yet again, going all over the country to play major teams.

I didn't see one name on any of those 6 SEC schedules I looked at that came anywhere close to an OKLAHOMA, TEXAS or USC in a non-league game. Miami and Florida State were the biggest 2 names I saw, and guess who played them? Florida. In state.

You trolls can keep arguing, but you're dead wrong. SEC plays more FCS schools, doesn't travel ANYWHERE but in their own southeastern portion of the country, and doesn't play very many ranked teams in non-league play. And the numbers are above, in case you'd like to refute it. I can't wait to hear your responses.

Since most of the trolls like to argue the "SEC vs. OSU" argument, here are your numbers. This isn't a one on one comparison. This is SIX of your VERY BEST TEAMS against one. They should be out killing everyone, dominating the competition shouldn't they? After all they are the all powerful SEC. Yet they aren't. They're sitting in their own back yard, beating Tennesse-Chattanooga (I see they're a favorite of several SEC schools), and North Texas. Pretty easy to get comfortable when you never have to leave the house. On top of all the non-league games that are at home (over 80%), 100% of the league games...HOW MANY bowl games are played down there? Like 3/4 of them?

If OSU has more cupcakes than Hostess, the SEC is the fat kid gobbling up all those cupcakes. Seriously, go out and see the world. Play against someone where you can't drive to the game from your house that morning. Or do they not have airports in the south? I've been there plenty of times, I'm pretty sure they do. Someone should inform some of these AD's that they are allowed to travel by plane.

the difference here is the big ten is a steady diet of cupcakes and the sec isnt. and that is fact. but yet OSU goes out and lines up more. when you have indiana , purdue, norhtwestern,illinois and minnesota there is no need to play akron,ysu,ohio,kent st, etc. and i suppose you would want florida to play florida state and miami out of state? i can understand why sec teams schedule light with their out of conference schedule. their conference schedule is more demanding that any other conference.