[docthehun]

Originally Posted by bethere

let me know if you are serious about this so that i might notify the secret service.

your move,

Saturday night is Toga Nite if you're looking for them. (Just call the club on their private line and ask for the head of the SS.)

[jimmacqueen]

Originally Posted by Homer Falcon

Yes and no.

He's not giving them citizenship or even amnesty. He's giving them a work permit. He's buying time and votes. We're only doomed if it works. I for one predict a backlash. This all plays into his 'theme' that conservatives are obstructionists and anti-minority.

At some point, he MUST convince white men of his message and this won't play on that front. White men need jobs and stuff too. When do we get ours??? ;)

This is what happens when you become a minority. Welcome to the minority. Because whites ARE the minority in the USA now, if you add all the other races and mixed races together.

But, thanks for a post that once again proves how many anti-Obama people are actually just closet racists, out to "protect the white race" from all these people of color who are slowly but surely pushing whites down the social scale.

[jimmacqueen]

Originally Posted by Moose73

I know many states have recall procedures to remove corrupt politicians from office for a number of reasons. If there is no procedure for recall of federally elected officials, there should be. Maybe that leaves few alternatives. Several violent solutions come to mind and I get the idea noBama is trying to push the American people toward them. That gives him the excuse to do many things in the name of preserving his monarchy. At the very least, noBama should be arrested, tried for treason and locked away. He has usurped his constitutional authority too many times, and continues to trample on the constitution and bill of rights of the American people. He has got to go!

Ahh. A resident fascist has surfaced. I knew some of you were secret fascists, but at least this guy has the ball to be transparent!

[DGUtley]

Obama's move is unconstitutional. Congress sets laws. Obama himself stated it was so. We used to be a nation of laws.

[minsterman]

Originally Posted by DGUtley

Obama's move is unconstitutional. Congress sets laws. Obama himself stated it was so. We used to be a nation of laws.

PLUS 1.........it's the only way Obama has gotten anything done.....

[Lancer '65]

Since when does having compassion for one's fellow human beings define someone as "an abject failure" and someone who should be impeached. It's alright, I already know the answer.

I think that there are many many other Americans who do also and I think that in November they will be at the polls. I also think that minorities will turn out in record numbers and I look forward to all of these women who the conservatives claim have gone over to Romney to appear and cast their votes. It appears that the conservative element think that repeating the same old same old will suddenly turn the tide and by simply declaring that Romney will be elected by a landslide will make it happen as if by magic.

I don't think he's going to win at all. I trust the judgement of the American people.

[sleeper]

Having compassion for human beings who break the law?

Sorry but no. Should we declare all those convicted of rape, innocent? Since of course its just unjust to keep humans in a prison for 25 years.

Get real. This is simple about buying votes for the D's; nothing more nothing less.

[DGUtley]

We have a problem with immigration. We need to resolve the problem consistent with our heritage and consistent with the Constitution. These folks that we call illegal are also human beings, children, our neeighbors - that want nothing than a better life. We need to find a way to not play politics but to work towards a permanent and just solution. I read that Rubio and several D's were near ready to pitch a permanent solution but that The One didn't want to be left out. Again, politics.

[Lancer '65]

sleeper,

Is it really your opinion that rapists are the same as children brought to America by parents who were desperately seeking something better for them? I was hoping that conservatives had a smidgen of compassion for people, but I guess I was right about conservatives.

[sleeper]

Originally Posted by Lancer '65

sleeper,

Is it really your opinion that rapists are the same as children brought to America by parents who were desperately seeking something better for them? I was hoping that conservatives had a smidgen of compassion for people, but I guess I was right about conservatives.

Don't worry bro. I have a job and pay taxes so that poor people can lead their mediocre life.

And no, they aren't the same. It's still rewarded those who broke the law, but it doesn't shock me coming from the most incompetent administration in world history.

[east_ohio]

Originally Posted by Lancer '65

sleeper,

Is it really your opinion that rapists are the same as children brought to America by parents who were desperately seeking something better for them? I was hoping that conservatives had a smidgen of compassion for people, but I guess I was right about conservatives.

Ingmar Guandique, was brought into America from El Salvador at a young age and murdered Chandra Levy in 2001.

[Lancer '65]

Therefore, every person brought into the United States will be a murderer?? You have simply got to be kidding. Is this the basis for conservative opinion about immigration reform? Simple solutions to incredibly complex problems.

The conservative way!

What happened to Chandra Levy was terrible but is it going to be the basis for all immigration policy for people like the kids I referred to in the previous post? I guess you folks simply can't separate the few that can't be redeemed with the many that only want a chance to stay in the only country that they have ever known, have lived in our towns and cities, have gone to school with our children, have essentially been "Americans" Their whole life and now are going to be sent back to a country that they are unfamiliar with and to a government that may well be a monstrous dictatorship. Perhaps we can even split parents and children up if we "reform" immigration enough to please you law abiding conservatives. It is precisely this type of cold, impersonal disregard for human beings that makes me wonder how anyone can think this way. Talk about ugly Americans. Here we are.

[o.a.b.]

Didn't the Republicans vote down a prior proposal ? Geeesh,no compromise,no initiatives..yet critique any action taken.Why isn't government functioning ? I would love to see this issue settled once and for all,but it takes everyone to be involved all the time.Accusations of playing politics could have been fired at the R's 7 months ago,but they weren't.Romney has been mum on the issue to this point because he's just as worried about alienating the Latino vote as Obama is gaining it.

[minsterman]

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

Didn't the Republicans vote down a prior proposal ? Geeesh,no compromise,no initiatives..yet critique any action taken.Why isn't government functioning ? I would love to see this issue settled once and for all,but it takes everyone to be involved all the time.Accusations of playing politics could have been fired at the R's 7 months ago,but they weren't.Romney has been mum on the issue to this point because he's just as worried about alienating the Latino vote as Obama is gaining it.

didn't the Senate vote it down too?

[Homer Falcon]

Originally Posted by jimmacqueen

This is what happens when you become a minority. Welcome to the minority. Because whites ARE the minority in the USA now, if you add all the other races and mixed races together.

But, thanks for a post that once again proves how many anti-Obama people are actually just closet racists, out to "protect the white race" from all these people of color who are slowly but surely pushing whites down the social scale.

Thank you.

I appreciate your self loathing, buckets full of white guilt. But, let's at least be accurate as you build your case for justifying the racist progressive agenda.

As of the 2010 census, whites comprise 64.7% of the US population. Hispanics are at 16%. Blacks are at 12.9%. Asians are at 4.6%. 'Other' comes in at 1.8%. These are the numbers as reported by the American people. You 'report'...fuzzy math.

You seem almost giddy in predicting our demise. Why is that?

[bethere]

Originally Posted by Homer Falcon

Thank you.

I appreciate your self loathing, buckets full of white guilt. But, let's at least be accurate as you build your case for justifying the racist progressive agenda.

As of the 2010 census, whites comprise 64.7% of the US population. Hispanics are at 16%. Blacks are at 12.9%. Asians are at 4.6%. 'Other' comes in at 1.8%. These are the numbers as reported by the American people. You 'report'...fuzzy math.

You seem almost giddy in predicting our demise. Why is that?

white men, however are presumably more like 35% of the population and that is your base. worse than that it is an old demographic that gets smaller with every passing moment.

you can't alienate women, hispanics, blacks, gays, students, teachers, scientists, cops, firemen, governmental workers, unionists, and women and hope to remain a majority proposition for very long.

we huddle together as a coalition because the gop has attacked us individually.

your party created us.

[fg]

Originally Posted by buckeyedan

need the labor or not
but the lefts concept of saving social security and other social program that require large #s of payees to pay for the increasing people in it is to expand quickly and this is one way...

it's a valid theory except in practice we see the illegal imigration population as more of a draw than a boost to the government programs... see California for any evidence you need

the concept that american workers won't work at lower wages is interesting but ONLY because of the social safety net - if you are going to give somebody 1000 a month in handouts why would they work for 800?

The last part is one of the problems that we need solved. We do not need people to come in to do menial jobs, we need the government to stop paying people to stay home from them.

Originally Posted by Lancer '65

Since when does having compassion for one's fellow human beings define someone as "an abject failure" and someone who should be impeached. It's alright, I already know the answer.

I think that there are many many other Americans who do also and I think that in November they will be at the polls. I also think that minorities will turn out in record numbers and I look forward to all of these women who the conservatives claim have gone over to Romney to appear and cast their votes. It appears that the conservative element think that repeating the same old same old will suddenly turn the tide and by simply declaring that Romney will be elected by a landslide will make it happen as if by magic.

I don't think he's going to win at all. I trust the judgement of the American people.

I guess we will see in November. However, I think you could have written this same thing 2 years ago and it was a landslide. I think Americans have clearly indicated that they have had their fill of this type of unilateral, politically motivated action.

The people in my life that actually know me know that I am a very fair, compassionate person. So I don't necessarily have a problem with trying to take care of hard-working, law-abiding immigrants. That is how this country was built. But it is supposed to be done through the legislative branch. Period.

I also find it ironic that this whole debate exists over a class of people that we actually use the word illegal to describe. I'm not a Rhodes scholar, but I am pretty sure the word illegal means breaking some type of law.

So, either enforce the law or change it. No more using the issue as a political football to gain votes. Which is the problem, nobody wants to be the one to say that ILLEGAL immigrants should be treated as such.

[o.a.b.]

Originally Posted by minsterman

didn't the Senate vote it down too?

Just an excuse.Conservatives taking pot shots at every Obama move has become the norm.He's getting the same treatment [ from some ] as the sherriff in Blazing Saddles.He's certainly done at least one thing right in 4 years yet received no recognition from the holier than thous.I would only hope they'll be that critical of Romney---------they Won't,they're fickle !

[DGUtley]

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

Just an excuse.

It's far from "just an excuse" - at least as far as the law concerns. Remember, it was the Obama himself said that he couldn't do this b/c the constitution forbid it; and then he went ahead and did it also. That should trouble you as well, provided -- of course -- that you're one that respects the rule of law.

Conservatives taking pot shots at every Obama move has become the norm. He's getting the same treatment [ from some ] as the sherriff in Blazing Saddles. He's certainly done at least one thing right in 4 years yet received no recognition from the holier than thous.

That's absolutely not true. I have given him credit for continuing the Bush / Rumsfeld / Cheney 'hit em where they live' approach for going after terrorists. I have given him credit for letting the special forces people do their business and go after OBL. I criticize him alot, and i believe rightly so. I think his liberal policies are leading to a financial disaster for this country. I think he's been the most divisive President in recent history. On this immigration thing -- he specifically said he couldn't constitutionally do what he did. You realize, don't you that "unconstitutional" means "illegal" - right? Which means that he did something that he knew was illegal for political gain. That doesn't scare the hell out of you? A ruler of our country knowingly violating the law solely for political gain? It should. Again, forget the substance of what he did and whether you agree with it -- he admittedly violated the law purely for political gain. That leads to us being not a nation of laws; but rather a nation of men. That's dangerous. Very very dangerous. And, remember, it's not the first time -- he alone decided not to enforce DOMA. Whether you agree with DOMA or not is irrelevant -- it was a congressionally passed law that might've been declared unconstitutional. Under the USC, the Executive Branch is charged with enforcing the laws -- it's the judidical branch that is charged with interpreting them.

I would only hope they'll be that critical of Romney- they won't, they're fickle !

Oh you can bet your bottom that i'll be equally as critical of Romney as I have been on The One and W.

[NapRover]

Originally Posted by bethere

white men, however are presumably more like 35% of the population and that is your base. worse than that it is an old demographic that gets smaller with every passing moment.

you can't alienate women, hispanics, blacks, gays, students, teachers, scientists, cops, firemen, governmental workers, unionists, and women and hope to remain a majority proposition for very long.

we huddle together as a coalition because the gop has attacked us individually.

your party created us.

Race card.