[buckeyedan]

Originally Posted by minsterman

I don't care if it started under George Washington....I want to know why after 1 and a HALF years of this crap......that HOLDER doesn't have one person fired, for this issue......and he doesn't have the persons name that GAVE THE OK for THIS PROGRAM......pretty simple, Holder should be fired for not being very good at his JOB, or he is a LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

It's the same reason any big scandel doesn't get investigated by the department that caused it...
R or D... you can't ask people to police themselves when it comes to wrong and/or illegal things they may have done!

my guess... and it isn't just Ds it's happend all the time... people at the top knew so they simply want to drag it out and hope it goes away

for anyone who bought that Obama was going to actually CHANGE how things were done? well that was your bad...

then again it ain't like Romeny would either

[wisdome]

Originally Posted by buckeyedan

It's the same reason any big scandel doesn't get investigated by the department that caused it...
R or D... you can't ask people to police themselves when it comes to wrong and/or illegal things they may have done!

my guess... and it isn't just Ds it's happend all the time... people at the top knew so they simply want to drag it out and hope it goes away

for anyone who bought that Obama was going to actually CHANGE how things were done? well that was your bad...

then again it ain't like Romeny would either

Mitt is not the Prez...neither Bush...can people just get over it and state who is in charge!!!!

[buckeyedan]

I'm fine with that
and I'm fine with congress going after Holder and Obama

my point is why are we surprised this happened

"I'm shocked, shocked there is gambling going on!"
wow that quote shows my age! lol

[bethere]

Originally Posted by buckeyedan

I'm fine with that
and I'm fine with congress going after Holder and Obama

my point is why are we surprised this happened

"I'm shocked, shocked there is gambling going on!"
wow that quote shows my age! lol

this thread, which seeks to tar obama and holder because they continued a program first started under bush.. is a joke.

1--fast and furious was YOUR idea.
2--it started under bush.
3--now you think it is contemptible.

therefore: isn't your own thinking contemptible?

this is not an isolated case.

cap and trade was your idea. now that obama likes it YOU think it is socialism.

the individual mandate is YOUR idea, too. now that obama has agreed you call it socialism.

limiting assault weapons was bush I's idea.. you blamed it on clinton. but now you blame it on obama who wasn't anywhere near washington when all of that went down. one thing is for sure: you don't like your own idea..

and you just nominated a man who banned assault weapons in massachusetts, a man who joined a multi-state pact to implement cap and trade policies, and a governor who forced the citizens of massachusetts to buy health insurance under an individual mandate.

[buckeyedan]

Originally Posted by bethere

1--fast and furious was YOUR idea.

MY idea... nobody asked me!

Originally Posted by bethere

2--it started under bush.
3--now you think it is contemptible.

therefore: isn't your own thinking contemptible?

that's not really valid...
even if true
if President A starts a program and President B comes in and screws it up (since this happened under their watch or they'd blame it on Bush like the blame everything else) it is President B's fault

I know passing the buck is the democratic stratagy anymore but really!

[bethere]

Originally Posted by buckeyedan

MY idea... nobody asked me!

the antecedent for the pronoun 'your,' in this case, was a plural entity. 'you' can be both singular and plural.

thanks for 'your' understanding.

[buckeyedan]

right by my point is luming me or any other member of the forum in any one group is a big assumption

I agree and disagree with boths sides in major ways...
and believe one of the biggest reasons we can not solve any problems is this concept of turning politics into a team sport!

We vs them?

this isn't OSU vs michigan!

even if you are a republican that doesnt mean you do or should support things they do that you don't agree with!

[Grantland]

Originally Posted by bethere

this thread, which seeks to tar obama and holder because they continued a program first started under bush.. is a joke.

1--fast and furious was YOUR idea.
2--it started under bush.
3--now you think it is contemptible.

therefore: isn't your own thinking contemptible?

this is not an isolated case.

cap and trade was your idea. now that obama likes it YOU think it is socialism.

the individual mandate is YOUR idea, too. now that obama has agreed you call it socialism.

limiting assault weapons was bush I's idea.. you blamed it on clinton. but now you blame it on obama who wasn't anywhere near washington when all of that went down. one thing is for sure: you don't like your own idea..

and you just nominated a man who banned assault weapons in massachusetts, a man who joined a multi-state pact to implement cap and trade policies, and a governor who forced the citizens of massachusetts to buy health insurance under an individual mandate.

You suffer from the delusion that if you keep bringing up; cap and trade, Assault weapons, and Massachusetts’s health care that you some how you can make Barry’s failures acceptable. They are not acceptable, this administration chose this program to be a part of their course of action, and they could have easily chosen not to go this route. This thread asks why Barry hasn’t put the heat on Fast and furious. The answer is the same as to why you don’t stay on the topic of the thread. You and He can’t because you have a losing position. This is going to turn into the death of a 1000 cuts for him. Someone in this administration is going to be responsible for this transaction and the death of an American. Go ahead and Blame whomever you want. It only further demonstrates your boy Barry can’t lead. A leader doesn’t look for excuses he finds a way. This president wasted a great opportunity. He had the faith, good will, and trust of most of America. He also had the house, and the senate, in the end all he can say to the American voter is that it is someone else fault.
So as to expedite your response to me you will;

Employ the look over here defense
Try and pigeon hole me into some response you assume I will make
Blame some else for Barry O’s problems,
Tell me to up my game.
Whine that I am personally attacking you
Finally, look to correct my grammar

(YAWN) Your song and dance is old and played out.

[wisdome]

Originally Posted by Grantland

You suffer from the delusion that if you keep bringing up; cap and trade, Assault weapons, and Massachusetts’s health care that you some how you can make Barry’s failures acceptable. They are not acceptable, this administration chose this program to be a part of their course of action, and they could have easily chosen not to go this route. This thread asks why Barry hasn’t put the heat on Fast and furious. The answer is the same as to why you don’t stay on the topic of the thread. You and He can’t because you have a losing position. This is going to turn into the death of a 1000 cuts for him. Someone in this administration is going to be responsible for this transaction and the death of an American. Go ahead and Blame whomever you want. It only further demonstrates your boy Barry can’t lead. A leader doesn’t look for excuses he finds a way. This president wasted a great opportunity. He had the faith, good will, and trust of most of America. He also had the house, and the senate, in the end all he can say to the American voter is that it is someone else fault.
So as to expedite your response to me you will;

Employ the look over here defense
Try and pigeon hole me into some response you assume I will make
Blame some else for Barry O’s problems,
Tell me to up my game.
Whine that I am personally attacking you
Finally, look to correct my grammar

(YAWN) Your song and dance is old and played out.

Now that is a response for the ages!!!! Somebody has been politly SERVED!

[bethere]

Originally Posted by Grantland

You suffer from the delusion that if you keep bringing up; cap and trade, Assault weapons, and Massachusetts’s health care that you some how you can make Barry’s failures acceptable. They are not acceptable, this administration chose this program to be a part of their course of action, and they could have easily chosen not to go this route. This thread asks why Barry hasn’t put the heat on Fast and furious. The answer is the same as to why you don’t stay on the topic of the thread. You and He can’t because you have a losing position. This is going to turn into the death of a 1000 cuts for him. Someone in this administration is going to be responsible for this transaction and the death of an American. Go ahead and Blame whomever you want. It only further demonstrates your boy Barry can’t lead. A leader doesn’t look for excuses he finds a way. This president wasted a great opportunity. He had the faith, good will, and trust of most of America. He also had the house, and the senate, in the end all he can say to the American voter is that it is someone else fault.
So as to expedite your response to me you will;

Employ the look over here defense
Try and pigeon hole me into some response you assume I will make
Blame some else for Barry O’s problems,
Tell me to up my game.
Whine that I am personally attacking you
Finally, look to correct my grammar

(YAWN) Your song and dance is old and played out.

if you can't use his real name as he has requested than we know that you aren't a positive player in all of this.

his name is president Barack Obama.

he put your ideas into play and you shot them down.

you hate yourselves.

i officially play the race card, here, for your amusement. if he were white and/or a republican you'd have rejoiced that your ideas were being put in play.

have a great day.

[Grantland]

Originally Posted by bethere

if you can't use his real name as he has requested than we know that you aren't a positive player in all of this.

his name is president Barack Obama.

he put your ideas into play and you shot them down.

you hate yourselves.

i officially play the race card, here, for your amusement. if he were white and/or a republican you'd have rejoiced that your ideas were being put in play.

have a great day.

I laugh every-time you try and define me, because I know that I have won the debate.

For your edification i will continue to show the same blatant disrespect to him as he (Barry) shows the family of the fallen border patrolman.

There was a terrible mistake made and it cost a man his life, but because it isn't political expedient to acknowledge this fact. This issue won't be resolved.

One final point the fact you are willing to show the same careless disrespect and lack of intellectual curiousness about this topic speaks volumes about you.

[bethere]

Originally Posted by Grantland

I laugh every-time you try and define me, because I know that I have won the debate.

For your edification i will continue to show the same blatant disrespect to him as he (Barry) shows the family of the fallen border patrolman.

There was a terrible mistake made and it cost a man his life, but because it isn't political expedient to acknowledge this fact. This issue won't be resolved.

One final point the fact you are willing to show the same careless disrespect and lack of intellectual curiousness about this topic speaks volumes about you.

guns don't kill people, people kiil people.

[wisdome]

Originally Posted by bethere

if you can't use his real name as he has requested than we know that you aren't a positive player in all of this.

his name is president Barack Obama.

he put your ideas into play and you shot them down.

you hate yourselves.

i officially play the race card, here, for your amusement. if he were white and/or a republican you'd have rejoiced that your ideas were being put in play.

have a great day.

Your are slipping my friend. The President of the USA name is Barack Obama...not President Barack Obama. I also noted that is kill...not kiil. There is a Julia Kiil Medical Center. Just saying!

[minsterman]

Originally Posted by minsterman

After a year and a half, nobody has been suspended or fired for this major f-up, why hasn't he made a BIG deal about this issue...one of his men died by the hands of a american GUN...and nobody seems to know after all this time....WHO GAVE THE OK for fast and furious???????

I guess now we know why Obama hasn't been all that interested in letting the truth come out!!!!!

[manowar]

Originally Posted by bethere

this thread, which seeks to tar obama and holder because they continued a program first started under bush.. is a joke.

1--fast and furious was YOUR idea.
2--it started under bush.
3--now you think it is contemptible.

therefore: isn't your own thinking contemptible?

this is not an isolated case.

cap and trade was your idea. now that obama likes it YOU think it is socialism.

the individual mandate is YOUR idea, too. now that obama has agreed you call it socialism.

limiting assault weapons was bush I's idea.. you blamed it on clinton. but now you blame it on obama who wasn't anywhere near washington when all of that went down. one thing is for sure: you don't like your own idea..

and you just nominated a man who banned assault weapons in massachusetts, a man who joined a multi-state pact to implement cap and trade policies, and a governor who forced the citizens of massachusetts to buy health insurance under an individual mandate.

Like Obama on most subjects...you're either stupid or a liar...take your pick.

FF is NOT the same program as Bush's Wide Reciever. WR was ended for 2 years before FF was started by Obama.

[Homer Falcon]

Originally Posted by manowar

Like Obama on most subjects...you're either stupid or a liar...take your pick.

FF is NOT the same program as Bush's Wide Reciever. WR was ended for 2 years before FF was started by Obama.

I love it. Dude lives from the grave.

...and the hits just keep on coming.

[o.a.b.]

Originally Posted by wisdome

Mitt is not the Prez...neither Bush...can people just get over it and state who is in charge!!!!

Lack of appreciation for the past or concern for the future IS why we're where we are.Deficits run under Bush were accepteble in Republicans eyes but lo and behold,tax money spent on THIS country is a no-no.Keep waving the flag with little concern about this country and its people because its really about folks working in govenment usurping power/resources in other countries.Flag-wavers can go to h - e - double toothpick if they're not willing to back up the people here first.I truely believe everyone has a responsibility to pull up their own bootstraps and that would happen if government kept out of our affairs. You want smaller government ? TELL IT TO YOUR republican leadership.The talk is OVER and time for them to practice what they preach.TELL John Boehner to introduce pay cuts for all representatives.TELL John Boehner to stand by the agreement that cuts Pentagon spending as well as domestic.TELL John Boehner that corporate tax breaks do not reach the hands of productive workers.Barking at the Democrats won't get it done.If you wanna win a ballgame,you concentrarte on what you do best...... it's time for Republicans to decide what that is.......besides barking.

[DGUtley]

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

Lack of appreciation for the past or concern for the future IS why we're where we are.

Agree to a large extent -- although I think wanting to please particular constituents are a greater contributor as to why we are here. But, I agree that many / most of our pols don't look much beyond their next election.

Deficits run under Bush were accepteble in Republicans eyes but lo and behold,tax money spent on THIS country is a no-no.

Deficits weren't acceptable under Bush -- i railed then as much as I do now, and have railed about deficits since college.

Keep waving the flag with little concern about this country and its people because its really about folks working in govenment usurping power/resources in other countries.

What???

Flag-wavers can go to h - e - double toothpick if they're not willing to back up the people here first. I truely believe everyone has a responsibility to pull up their own bootstraps and that would happen if government kept out of our affairs. You want smaller government ? TELL IT TO YOUR republican leadership. The talk is OVER and time for them to practice what they preach. TELL John Boehner to introduce pay cuts for all representatives. TELL John Boehner to stand by the agreement that cuts Pentagon spending as well as domestic. TELL John Boehner that corporate tax breaks do not reach the hands of productive workers.Barking at the Democrats won't get it done. If you wanna win a ballgame,you concentrarte on what you do best...... it's time for Republicans to decide what that is.......besides barking.

They try to cut and they're called extremists. Join us -- write The Obama, Dirty Harry & Hot Pants Nance and tell them to join the Republicans in cutting everything.

[19AL63]

All that Republicans can do right now is bark. You have to be in control of both houses to get radical change. That is how we got Obamacare. That two year period was the time for the Democrats to shine and we can all see how that worked out. If they would have done things right they would have had longer than two years. What we need is somebody in govt. to do the hard things and right now I don't think the Republicans or the Democrats have what it will take. Pull up those bootstraps and balance the budget and (as someone on this site always writes) every thing will fall into place. Sorry, I know this is off subject.

[wisdome]

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

Lack of appreciation for the past or concern for the future IS why we're where we are.Deficits run under Bush were accepteble in Republicans eyes but lo and behold,tax money spent on THIS country is a no-no.Keep waving the flag with little concern about this country and its people because its really about folks working in govenment usurping power/resources in other countries.Flag-wavers can go to h - e - double toothpick if they're not willing to back up the people here first.I truely believe everyone has a responsibility to pull up their own bootstraps and that would happen if government kept out of our affairs. You want smaller government ? TELL IT TO YOUR republican leadership.The talk is OVER and time for them to practice what they preach.TELL John Boehner to introduce pay cuts for all representatives.TELL John Boehner to stand by the agreement that cuts Pentagon spending as well as domestic.TELL John Boehner that corporate tax breaks do not reach the hands of productive workers.Barking at the Democrats won't get it done.If you wanna win a ballgame,you concentrarte on what you do best...... it's time for Republicans to decide what that is.......besides barking.

Again...talking like a true FANATIC. Nothing has changed with you except that you just can't accept the fact that the policies of this adminsitration have not made things any better than the ones implemented before them. So you resort to the blame game and avoid your party responsibilty as what we have today. In fact many of the policies implemented by the old admisnstration were still applied and approved by the current administration...so who do you blame on that...the old one or the new one that did not change?

Not once did you mention that the hell hole we have is do to your dear party. In 2008 I voted for "Change we can believe in" because I felt that we needed a change for the best. That did not happen of course and that is why my vote will be casted back to the best man for the job. Let me tell you thou...that for the other races in which I know many have not been up to task, they will not be getting my vote. That is how people should really vote...outside party lines and not the fanatic way!