[bethere]

Originally Posted by sleeper

No plane had ever hit the WTC before either.

perhaps but just blocks away a B-17 has hit the empire state building before, and al qaeda had already tried to blow up the WTC just a couple of years prior.

despite all of those things in common, your comparison is still a fallacious comparison--a logical fallacy of the first order.

[JJ]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1479138.html

[swampy]

another recession is on the way, just in time for the election-thanks Brack

[arizonawildcat]

Originally Posted by bethere

perhaps but just blocks away a B-17 has hit the empire state building before, and al qaeda had already tried to blow up the WTC just a couple of years prior.

despite all of those things in common, your comparison is still a fallacious comparison--a logical fallacy of the first order.

Just for the sake of accuracy, it was a B-25 and it happened in 1945.

[bethere]

Originally Posted by arizonawildcat

Just for the sake of accuracy, it was a B-25 and it happened in 1945.

thanks for reinforcing my point.

i remember bush claiming that no one anticipated a plane being used as a weapon.. hahha.. his dad fought kamikazes in the asian theater.

[QuakerOats]

Originally Posted by jimmacqueen

The Dow always runs about six months in advance of the overall economy, which makes it likely the economy will be steaming by November. That's not good news for romneyites.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...6pLid%3D156946

Talk to me now. We have cratered about 10% just since you posted this blather. The inability of the socialist/marxists in Europe to understand that you have to work to earn a living, and the failed socialist policies of obama both continue to haunt our economy. The absence of true leadership is spectacular, but expected from a community activist/agitator.

[dorciepatrick]

QuakerOats.....You may be shocked, but as far your "The absence of true leadership" comment is concerned, I agree with you totally.
I must say that I have very little regard for anyone in the GOP. In fact, a Romney victory would scare me to death for many reasons. However, in my view President Obama has been a big disappointment.
These are times that have -- and still do -- called for strong presidential leadership, i.e. someone who has a clear agenda and does what it takes to get his agenda enacted.
This president has failed to do that. Many of you on the right may see him as an evil strongman. I would argue that he is just the opposite -- a person with good intentions who has been unwilling to take the political risks necessary to enact his ideas.

[wisdome]

Originally Posted by dorciepatrick

QuakerOats.....You may be shocked, but as far your "The absence of true leadership" comment is concerned, I agree with you totally.
I must say that I have very little regard for anyone in the GOP. In fact, a Romney victory would scare me to death for many reasons. However, in my view President Obama has been a big disappointment.
These are times that have -- and still do -- called for strong presidential leadership, i.e. someone who has a clear agenda and does what it takes to get his agenda enacted.
This president has failed to do that. Many of you on the right may see him as an evil strongman. I would argue that he is just the opposite -- a person with good intentions who has been unwilling to take the political risks necessary to enact his ideas.

Dorcie,
do not know about the intentions, but the bottom line isn't it the result? When I played baseball I tried my best to bunt a runner over to second base...I tried...but failed. The result in all this is what matters!

[Levi]

When this topic started, the Dow was at 13,279.32

As of noon today it is at 12,189.52 and still dropping.

[sleeper]

The stock market is only this high because investors are building in an inflation premium. Any gains are just hedges against the massive inflation that will be flooded on the market whenever the fed decides to end the charade of giving banks free money.

[QuakerOats]

Originally Posted by dorciepatrick

QuakerOats.....You may be shocked, but as far your "The absence of true leadership" comment is concerned, I agree with you totally.
I must say that I have very little regard for anyone in the GOP. In fact, a Romney victory would scare me to death for many reasons. However, in my view President Obama has been a big disappointment.
These are times that have -- and still do -- called for strong presidential leadership, i.e. someone who has a clear agenda and does what it takes to get his agenda enacted.
This president has failed to do that. Many of you on the right may see him as an evil strongman. I would argue that he is just the opposite -- a person with good intentions who has been unwilling to take the political risks necessary to enact his ideas.

Good leadership doesn't come easy, and you are correct that both sides are lacking in the type of leadership that is necessary today. At least with Romney you have proven, non-public sector leadership abilities, and he his better prepared to deliver the sobering news to the American public that is necessary in order to begin to turn this ship around.

[dorciepatrick]

Originally Posted by QuakerOats

Good leadership doesn't come easy, and you are correct that both sides are lacking in the type of leadership that is necessary today. At least with Romney you have proven, non-public sector leadership abilities, and he his better prepared to deliver the sobering news to the American public that is necessary in order to begin to turn this ship around.

Yes, he does (as the opposition candidate always does) deliver the sobering news (just as ANY opposing candidate would do). I understand the position of Republicans that anyone who is running is better than Obama. I get it. That's how I felt about Bush in 2004.
However, I haven't seen or heard anyone who has laid out why Romney would be a better President. Criticizing Obama is easy. We can all do it, just like anyone could criticize Bush.
Why Romney would be any better, though, especially with his cadre of former Bush administration advisers, simply escapes me.
Leadership means sticking to one's convictions and bringing others along. Romney simply changes his positions to meet the current political winds.

[SBFAMILY]

Sleeper is right, it isn't over yet. As the dow falls, so does Obama chances or getting elected go down with the dow. At least I thank my brooker for having me play market short this week. You can only print and spend your way till you pay the piper. He is coming to collect. Greece and Spain are only the start. Spain now has to float Bonds that pay 6.75, that no one is buying.

[wisdome]

Originally Posted by dorciepatrick

Yes, he does (as the opposition candidate always does) deliver the sobering news (just as ANY opposing candidate would do). I understand the position of Republicans that anyone who is running is better than Obama. I get it. That's how I felt about Bush in 2004.
However, I haven't seen or heard anyone who has laid out why Romney would be a better President. Criticizing Obama is easy. We can all do it, just like anyone could criticize Bush.
Why Romney would be any better, though, especially with his cadre of former Bush administration advisers, simply escapes me.
Leadership means sticking to one's convictions and bringing others along. Romney simply changes his positions to meet the current political winds.

Dorcie,
I will have to disagree that Mitt changes his poistion to meet current political winds. If he did that why has he not agreed with gay marriege. Why has he told hispanics that if you want to be in this country lets do it legally so you can "pay your fair share". Why is it that he continues to preach revamping SS? Why is it that he also continues that the Fair Share has to be done by all of us?

To me and many more things seem to me to be not based on political winds...in fact the one that is going with how the winds blow is the incumbent and that to me is a shame!

[jimmacqueen]

Originally Posted by SBFAMILY

Sleeper is right, it isn't over yet. As the dow falls, so does Obama chances or getting elected go down with the dow. At least I thank my brooker for having me play market short this week. You can only print and spend your way till you pay the piper. He is coming to collect. Greece and Spain are only the start. Spain now has to float Bonds that pay 6.75, that no one is buying.

Actually, just the opposite. The market drop looks like it is predicting an Obama re-election. If the big money thought Romney was going to win, they would be rushing into the market.

[wisdome]

Originally Posted by jimmacqueen

Actually, just the opposite. The market drop looks like it is predicting an Obama re-election. If the big money thought Romney was going to win, they would be rushing into the market.

Don't think so...those investors are pulling out because they know things are not going to turn to the best. So when those valuables (aka stocks, etc.) drop and Mitt is elected they can buy them cheap and know that they will sky rocket!

[sleeper]

Originally Posted by jimmacqueen

Actually, just the opposite. The market drop looks like it is predicting an Obama re-election. If the big money thought Romney was going to win, they would be rushing into the market.

So essentially you are arguing that people are happy with their 401ks dwindling in value and can't wait to re-elect Obama so he can continue the charade.

This post doesn't make any sense.

[sleeper]

Originally Posted by wisdome

Don't think so...those investors are pulling out because they know things are not going to turn to the best. So when those valuables (aka stocks, etc.) drop and Mitt is elected they can buy them cheap and know that they will sky rocket!

To be fair, this doesn't make any sense either.

[bethere]

Originally Posted by sleeper

To be fair, this doesn't make any sense either.

it is a predictable market correction after nearly 7000 points on the rise. if a gop president were in office we'd be using terms like 'profit-taking' to describe it instead...

[bethere]

Originally Posted by SBFAMILY

Sleeper is right, it isn't over yet. As the dow falls, so does Obama chances or getting elected go down with the dow. At least I thank my brooker for having me play market short this week. You can only print and spend your way till you pay the piper. He is coming to collect. Greece and Spain are only the start. Spain now has to float Bonds that pay 6.75, that no one is buying.

meanwhile our current bonds are at 1.67% for ten years... that's because we are still the safest investment in the world.