[wkfan]

Originally Posted by bobby

If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

Show me proof of ownership and what the asking price is.

I'm buying.

Originally Posted by bobby

All you have to do is look at several of the public schools in this year's state basketball tournament. Several had very good players who didn't just happen to "come through their doors". Those players ended up at those schools to play basketball. Many public schools are very "encouraging" to prospective students/athletes.

This is the football forum. If you want to discuss basketball, please open a thread in the basketball forum.

Yes, they are different.

Originally Posted by bobby

I think it's about 63% of Ohio public schools are statewide open enrollment meaning they can attract/encourage students from the entire state of Ohio. Another 13-15% are adjacent open enrollment giving them a pretty large area to "encourage" students from, as well.

I will take you at your word about the 63% of publics having open enrollment. However, most of that 63% have rules around that including 'no students from outside the district' (my district has 2 high schools and open enrollment is only available to students within the district) or 'students from contiguous districts'.

Only in the Private school arena can you have a kid who lives in Marion playing football at Watterson.

[mentalist80]

Has anyone ever thought that the talent in public schools is there to compete with private schools, but the level of coaching and development of players in public is poor compared to private? Now if a private school has 13 Division I athletes good luck, but if you school has any talent at all then you might want to look at the actual coaches and player development. But you may also just want to pat little johnny on the back, and let him know he can't compete with the BIG BOYS and that he will be able to go against talent more "on his level".

[Hartley Football]

Originally Posted by wkfan

Only in the Private school arena can you have a kid who lives in Marion playing football at Watterson.

Right only in the Private school arena.

There would never be a kid in Mansfield playing at Glenville.

or

There would never be kids living in South Columbus playing at Pickerington.

right....keep telling yourself only in the Private school arena...

[wkfan]

Originally Posted by Hartley Football

Right only in the Private school arena.

There would never be a kid in Mansfield playing at Glenville.

or

There would never be kids living in South Columbus playing at Pickerington.

right....keep telling yourself only in the Private school arena...

OK...you are suggesting that a kid who lives in Mansfield drives to Glenville every day? Or a kid that lives in Grove City drives to Pickerington every day?

Really?? You believe that this happens??

I'm trying to find a link to a Columbus Dispatch story from 5 - 6 years ago about a football player who lived in Marion and played football at Watterson. The kid and parents did not rent an apartment in Columbus...but lived in Marion and went to Watterson.

Obviously not in his parish.

[Bucks2002]

Originally Posted by wkfan

Show me proof of ownership and what the asking price is.

I'm buying.



This is the football forum. If you want to discuss basketball, please open a thread in the basketball forum.

Yes, they are different.



I will take you at your word about the 63% of publics having open enrollment. However, most of that 63% have rules around that including 'no students from outside the district' (my district has 2 high schools and open enrollment is only available to students within the district) or 'students from contiguous districts'.

Only in the Private school arena can you have a kid who lives in Marion playing football at Watterson.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Statewide open enrollment is exaclty that, statewide open enrollment. Meaning a public school with statewide open enrollment can have a kid enrolled that lives outside of their district without any restrictions. Look at the Ohio Department of Eds website, it list the percentage of public schools that are open enrollment and also list every open enrollment public school in the state. It is over 70%. I know a kid that lived in Canton and went to Firestone in Akron for sports. I know kids that wrestle that live outside of the Canton Massillon area that go to statewide open enrollment Massillon Perry for wrestling. Your district is one district with two schools that is not open enrollment. At least try and educate yourself on what open enrollment actually is before you write.

[BradleyJaguars]

Originally Posted by Bucks2002

You have no idea what you are talking about. Statewide open enrollment is exaclty that, statewide open enrollment.

Many of the schools in Central Ohio are open only to neighboring districts. I was actually surprised to learn that this was the exception statewide.

[Jackboy]

What about small rural schools in this debate.We draw sports teams from under 11,000 in population.We are open enrollment but where do we draw from? The open enrollment debate doesn't work here. I believe that if your school is in a large metro area you are D1 just by what you draw athletes from.Our whole county population is under 35.000

[bobby]

Originally Posted by wkfan

I will take you at your word about the 63% of publics having open enrollment. However, most of that 63% have rules around that including 'no students from outside the district' (my district has 2 high schools and open enrollment is only available to students within the district) or 'students from contiguous districts'.

What I said was 63% are STATEWIDE open enrollment

http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templa...ntent= 116390

STATEWIDE open enrollment means students from ANYWHERE in Ohio can attend your school for free. No boundaries except the state border.

Another 13.7% are adjacent district open enrollment.

Nearly 78% of Ohio public schools have some sort of open enrollment and they use it.

[Jackboy]

Originally Posted by bobby

What I said was 63% are STATEWIDE open enrollment

http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templa...ntent= 116390

STATEWIDE open enrollment means students from ANYWHERE in Ohio can attend your school for free. No boundaries except the state border.

Another 13.7% are adjacent district open enrollment.

Nearly 78% of Ohio public schools have some sort of open enrollment and they use it.

Open enrollment isn't as open as all the private school folks think. There are rules that have to be followed that private schools don't have to follow.As far as coaching goes, we have one of the best coaching staffs around IMO.As I said before we play what we have from a population of under 11,000 as a D4 school.Not from an area 2 million in Columbus or 650000 in Youngstown

[Bucks2002]

Originally Posted by Jackboy

Open enrollment isn't as open as all the private school folks think. There are rules that have to be followed that private schools don't have to follow.As far as coaching goes, we have one of the best coaching staffs around IMO.As I said before we play what we have from a population of under 11,000 as a D4 school.Not from an area 2 million in Columbus or 650000 in Youngstown

What are those Rules? Please be specific because I am not aware of any such rules or restrictions for statewide open enrollment schools.

You issue is urban or metro populations vs. rural populations. The MAC seems to cause problems for that contention. Finally this is the problem there are differences in all schools that go way beyond public and private. As has been discussed you have, open enrollment vs. closed enrollment, then you also have urban vs. suburban, urban vs. rural, suburban versus rural, wealthy schools vs. poor schools.

Where does this end. Every team cannot win a state championship are we going to go to 20 divisions like New Jersey because that is how soft the people in this country are becomming. We can seperate schools into separate divisions as such:

1. Public urban statewide open enrollment
2. Public urban adjacent district open enrollment
3. Public urban closed enrollment
4. Public suburban statewide open enrollment
5. Public suburban adjacent district open enrollment
6. Public suburban closed enrollment
7. Public rural statewide open enrollment
8. Public rural adjacent district open enrollment
9. Public rural closed enrollment
10. Private urban
11. Private suburban
12. Private rural

Don't forget we need to further divide the schools based on lower class, middle class and upper class as well as based on enrollment.

Did I miss anyone.

[mentalist80]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,

"Don't forget we need to further divide the schools based on lower class, middle class and upper class as well as based on enrollment."

Greatest statement, you sir are the winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just wait till all community colleges in America close, and then the gap will be huge!!

[justcompete]

WK. If the boy in question is a member of Delaware St. Mary's, they are a feeder school to Watterson. Using Watterson is a horrible example for this. They rarely send football players to D-I colleges even though they are successful. Over 90% of the students that attend BW are from feeder schools. If this student IS from an outside Parish, he must get permission from the school he should attend first, then apply to BW. It's not as easy as you make it sound.

[mcph07]

Good job Bucks. You did miss the Wayne County Amish Beard Trimmers Division.

[Jackboy]

Originally Posted by Bucks2002

What are those Rules? Please be specific because I am not aware of any such rules or restrictions for statewide open enrollment schools.

You issue is urban or metro populations vs. rural populations. The MAC seems to cause problems for that contention. Finally this is the problem there are differences in all schools that go way beyond public and private. As has been discussed you have, open enrollment vs. closed enrollment, then you also have urban vs. suburban, urban vs. rural, suburban versus rural, wealthy schools vs. poor schools.

Where does this end. Every team cannot win a state championship are we going to go to 20 divisions like New Jersey because that is how soft the people in this country are becomming. We can seperate schools into separate divisions as such:


1. Public urban statewide open enrollment
2. Public urban adjacent district open enrollment
3. Public urban closed enrollment
4. Public suburban statewide open enrollment
5. Public suburban adjacent district open enrollment
6. Public suburban closed enrollment
7. Public rural statewide open enrollment
8. Public rural adjacent district open enrollment
9. Public rural closed enrollment
10. Private urban
11. Private suburban
12. Private rural

Don't forget we need to further divide the schools based on lower class, middle class and upper class as well as based on enrollment.

Did I miss anyone.

Rules,Rules,Rules Buck per OSHAA http://www.ohsaa.org/eligibility/bylaw4-7.htm

[Captain Tony]

BUCKS2002

Just a fantastic idea. When you take into consideration the econony factor and also enrollment factor, everybody in the state can be a state champion or runner-up. Just like Little League, everybody gets a trophy or at least a ribbon.

[Bucks2002]

Originally Posted by Jackboy

Rules,Rules,Rules Buck per OSHAA http://www.ohsaa.org/eligibility/bylaw4-7.htm

That's all you have. Seriously. Those rules aren't a limit to open enrollment students. Most enroll as freshman anyway. Those rules mostly effect and are geared towards private schools and transfers, not public open enrollment schools when they are getting kids in 9th grade which is the case the vast majority of the time.

[te88]

Originally Posted by justcompete

WK. If the boy in question is a member of Delaware St. Mary's, they are a feeder school to Watterson. Using Watterson is a horrible example for this. They rarely send football players to D-I colleges even though they are successful. Over 90% of the students that attend BW are from feeder schools. If this student IS from an outside Parish, he must get permission from the school he should attend first, then apply to BW. It's not as easy as you make it sound.

Just to expand on the admission policy at Columbus Catholic Schools here is from the DeSales handbook. I am sure the other schools are the same just different feeder schools

SCHOOL ATTENDANCE / FEEDER SCHOOL AREAS
In accordance with the Diocese of Columbus school policy # 5117.0:
The location of the residence of the student's legal guardian is used to determine the assigned high school.
Waivers will be granted only for the following reasons: 1. if siblings have attended the requested school, 2. if either parent
attended the requested school, 3. if the assigned school feels it would be in the best interest of the student to attend the requested
school, 4. if the requested school has an academic program that is not available in the assigned school, or 5. if transportation
is not available to the assigned school. Waivers will not be granted for reasons related to participation in athletics. A
request waiver must be made by the parent(s)/guardian(s) on the form provided by the Diocesan Department of Education.
The parent(s)/guardians(s) must obtain the signatures at the assigned and requested schools. When completed the form is to
be sent to the Superintendent of School. Waivers may be granted solely at the discretion of the Superintendent. St. Francis
DeSales High School Area - Geographic Listing: St. Anthony, St. Augustine and Gabriel, St. Elizabeth, St. James the Less, St.
Matthias, St. Paul (Westerville), St. John Neumann (Sunbury), Church of the Resurrection (New Albany), St. Matthew, St.
Michael.

[ringer]

Statewide open enrollment in public schools happens all the time.

[Jackboy]

Originally Posted by te88

Just to expand on the admission policy at Columbus Catholic Schools here is from the DeSales handbook. I am sure the other schools are the same just different feeder schools

SCHOOL ATTENDANCE / FEEDER SCHOOL AREAS
In accordance with the Diocese of Columbus school policy # 5117.0:
The location of the residence of the student's legal guardian is used to determine the assigned high school.
Waivers will be granted only for the following reasons: 1. if siblings have attended the requested school, 2. if either parent
attended the requested school, 3. if the assigned school feels it would be in the best interest of the student to attend the requested
school, 4. if the requested school has an academic program that is not available in the assigned school, or 5. if transportation
is not available to the assigned school. Waivers will not be granted for reasons related to participation in athletics. A
request waiver must be made by the parent(s)/guardian(s) on the form provided by the Diocesan Department of Education.
The parent(s)/guardians(s) must obtain the signatures at the assigned and requested schools. When completed the form is to
be sent to the Superintendent of School. Waivers may be granted solely at the discretion of the Superintendent. St. Francis
DeSales High School Area - Geographic Listing: St. Anthony, St. Augustine and Gabriel, St. Elizabeth, St. James the Less, St.
Matthias, St. Paul (Westerville), St. John Neumann (Sunbury), Church of the Resurrection (New Albany), St. Matthew, St.
Michael.

Do they have to sit out a year if transferring like public schools do?

[ryancsportsmom]

Originally Posted by Jackboy

Do they have to sit out a year if transferring like public schools do?

What exactly are you asking for here?

No one "sits" if they don't ever attend another high school (in otherwords, the "sitting" occurs when a student attends one high school and then decides to transfer to another high school) but secondly, are you aware that if a child attends a private high school and decides to transfer back to their "home" school, they don't sit!