Licking County League - Page 22

htsbuzzfan · (#421)

Any news on who the commissioner is?

57chevy · (#422)

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Originally Posted by gamauter

So 3 crossovers are bad but Johnstown is scheduling 5?

That is what I heard they will try to do... but I do not know if it s 100% confirmed... the other teams would have to agree

57chevy · (#423)

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Originally Posted by htsbuzzfan

Any news on who the commissioner is?

Would either mbc or msl Ohio commish be candidates?

gamauter · (#424)

I figured the northern schools would try to schedule EK and Danville for non league.

lmavcch3 · (#425)

Utica won't being D-II. The others may since they're D-IV.

57chevy · (#426)

In football Utica is D4 as well

lmavcch3 · (#427)

^^^^Wow, I'm surprised by that.

greenwave · (#428)

keep the money in licking county for the athletic budgets. i love the 3 crossover games and 5 wouldnt bother me either.

57chevy · (#429)

If lc teams played more teams out of county that are in their regions and won those games instead of the crossover would more $ be made through playoff games?

Captain Tony · (#430)

^^^ OHSAA takes all gate profits from playoff games. If schools pre-sale they get a small portion of that. The state does allow the schools to keep parking and consession profits.

greenwave · (#431)

Plus the reason the LCL is getting back. Together is to get bigger crowds and. Shorter travel. If we play more non league games we most likely
Travel father.

Bexley academy and whitehall braught no one to newark
And the LCl teams will.

57chevy · (#432)

yeah but the reason teams agreed to get back together so you do not have the small DIV-DV schools all playing 3-5 games of D2-D3 games. One mandatory crossover game is enough. Let the schools choose to opt out of the other 2-4 games if they choose.

greenwave · (#433)

3 games is the min. Look at johnstown
Who already plays granville, and lakewood in
Nonleague it doesnt bother them.

Northridge will struggle no matter who they.play.

I saw they are playing lakewood next year.

Finding 5 non league games would not be easy.
Give it a chance in stead of downgrading it
57chevy

57chevy · (#434)

I'm not trying to downgrade it. I totally understand the value and economical sense it makes for everyone. But I think it's going to make it difficult for smaller schools to make the playoffs even when they may deserve to make it. Maybe with the 7th division it will help some, but think about a couple of years ago Alexander made the playoffs and Heath blew them out by 50 when Jtown was sitting at home and lost to heath by 5 and Heath gave state champ Hartley all they could handle and then some. Heath has had this issue over the years being in the MSL, they couldn't win enough games in a tough league to get into the playoffs even though they were talented enough

Hartley Football · (#435)

57chevy: you should give Hartley a call and get them on the schedule one of the first three weeks. Then you wouldn't worry about 'what ifs' and could prove it on the field.

Also, Hartley beat Heath by 2 scores In 2010. I don't know what you consider giving a team 'all they can handle and then some.'

57chevy · (#436)

Hartley FB, Hartley's two closest games in the playoffs were the 2 pt conversion game and Heath I thought? Hartley put them away late, but it was a good close game. I didn't say they didn't deserve to win, just that Heath had a great team and that Jtown deserved to be in the playoffs over some other teams.
Hartley deserves all of their success, but don't start throwing stones just because you have a good team now.

Hartley Football · (#437)

Heath never led in the game either. Was a good game but it was as close as the score indicated 39-26.

The 29-28 game vs alter was a good game as was the ironton game that year.

Not throwing stones, just commenting that if you don't play good competition in the regular season you can't complain when you are sitting at home. No matter the record you have to prove it on the field against good competition. We respect Johnstown and would LOVE to play. I know we have contacted johnstowns ad and coach several times about playing at the varsity level. The great thing about high school football in Ohio is that you can CHOOSE some of your games and prepare yourself to get better. Do you want to play lakewood in non league because they are close or do you want to play Hartley and give your players a chance to prepare to win at the highest level?

57chevy · (#438)

I think the point Johnstown was sitting at home was because they did play good competition in teams like, as before mentioned, Heath, Final 4 DV Freddies, Utica & Granville D3 playoff qualifier as well as scrimmaged Licking Valley & a Mifflin team that had a good season, but they only beat Granville that year in the regular season and lost close games to Heath and Utica, but Freddies handled Jtown that year. On the one hand you could say that the "tough schedule" kept them out of the playoffs and the other you could say the tough schedule could have helped them win some games in the playoffs. My point is that the 8 teams Alexander beat were nothing compared to the 7 that Johnstown beat and the 3 losses were "better losses" than Alexander's two losses.

So by playing Hartley, depending on how long they can continue bringing in talented freshmen classes, it would help Jtown be prepared for the playoffs, but it could also keep them out of the playoffs as well. Until teams are rewarded for playing a tough schedule, there is more of a reason to beat teams that will win 5-6 games than to lose to a 9 or 10 win team. Now after looking at Hartley's schedule next year is losing to Watterson going to help your playoff chances? No but it helps you in your goal to win it all if you can still win enough games to make it in. If you ended up losing any of those tough games and didn't make the playoffs would playing a tough schedule help you? You might feel justified in saying, "well at least we played a tough schedule!" Did you see Loudonville's schedule this year? At one point their first 6 opponents were all undefeated.

That was my argument. Playing anyone is only beneficial to a team if it helps them make the playoffs. You can say hypothetically that playing a tough team helps you prepare for playoff competition. You never know how good teams are going to be and there are few teams that are "always good."

Use the NFL as an example. The Giants went 9-7 and barely got into the playoffs. They got hot at the right time. Johnstown after losing to Heath, Fredericktown, and losing a heart breaker to Utica could have made some noise in the playoffs. They learned from their losses, but didn't get a chance to redeem those losses. Would they have won it all? Anything could happen, I don't think anyone thought Hartley was really going to win it all, but they did and it was an amazing season.

So should Johnstown play Hartley? It would be a great game to watch, but Hartley has different talent level than Johnstown year in year out. Johnstown has to work hard to stay competitive and really develop their younger players. I don't know much about the Hartley program, but anyone who says some private schools don't have a talent draw advantage would not be realistic. Look at what happened when your coach was at Centerburg, he chose not to stay and develop his players. I think he beat Johnstown once while he was there, maybe twice, but would he have won with those same kids after he left? Was it maybe one of the reasons he left? The year he took them to the final 4 Johnstown was 4th and 1 from the 1 from winning the game and a player went the wrong way Centerburg made the play and won the game. It kept Jtown out of the playoffs and Cburg went on to the final 4.

That's why football is a gream game, you just never know. But after next year Johnstown's schedule changes and they will only have one open date. From what i heard they are going to schedule all 9 Licking county teams except Newark.
So is playing: Northridge, Utica, Heath, Newark Catholic, Lakewood, Licking Valley, Watkins Memorial, Licking Heights & Granville a tough enough schedule for you?

p.s. I think Johnstown's schedule got them into the final 4 last year. I don't think it was their schedule that lost the game for them.

Hartley Football · (#439)

[quote=57chevy;5308957]I think the point Johnstown was sitting at home was because they did play good competition in teams like, as before mentioned, Heath, Final 4 DV Freddies, Utica & Granville D3 playoff qualifier as well as scrimmaged Licking Valley & a Mifflin team that had a good season, but they only beat Granville that year in the regular season and lost close games to Heath and Utica, but Freddies handled Jtown that year. On the one hand you could say that the "tough schedule" kept them out of the playoffs and the other you could say the tough schedule could have helped them win some games in the playoffs. My point is that the 8 teams Alexander beat were nothing compared to the 7 that Johnstown beat and the 3 losses were "better losses" than Alexander's two losses.

You have to beat those teams. It does no good to lose to anyone. Ever. Tough schedule. Weak schedule. You either win or you lose. Thats the great part about the Ohio High School Playoffs: You have to earn your way into the thing. If you lose, what does it matter.

So by playing Hartley, depending on how long they can continue bringing in talented freshmen classes, it would help Jtown be prepared for the playoffs, but it could also keep them out of the playoffs as well.

You need to work to be good enough to beat the best teams on your schedule. I would not plan for failure, but what do I know?

Until teams are rewarded for playing a tough schedule, there is more of a reason to beat teams that will win 5-6 games than to lose to a 9 or 10 win team. Now after looking at Hartley's schedule next year is losing to Watterson going to help your playoff chances?

Hartley is going to really do their best to win that game. They schedule really tough teams, but never with the intention to lose. Why play the game then?

No but it helps you in your goal to win it all if you can still win enough games to make it in. If you ended up losing any of those tough games and didn't make the playoffs would playing a tough schedule help you? You might feel justified in saying, "well at least we played a tough schedule!" Did you see Loudonville's schedule this year? At one point their first 6 opponents were all undefeated.

Again, if you are at/or want to play at a high level you need to try your best to win the game. I dont care about the tough schedule, I care if you can beat the teams on the schedule

That was my argument. Playing anyone is only beneficial to a team if it helps them make the playoffs. You can say hypothetically that playing a tough team helps you prepare for playoff competition. You never know how good teams are going to be and there are few teams that are "always good."

Use the NFL as an example. The Giants went 9-7 and barely got into the playoffs. They got hot at the right time.

This is not the NFL. This is Ohio High School Football.

Johnstown after losing to Heath, Fredericktown, and losing a heart breaker to Utica could have made some noise in the playoffs. They learned from their losses, but didn't get a chance to redeem those losses. Would they have won it all?

No you couldnt and you wouldnt. If you couldnt beat Utica, you could not beat the best teams in the state.

Anything could happen, I don't think anyone thought Hartley was really going to win it all, but they did and it was an amazing season.

Hartley played one of the toughest schedules in the state that year. As they did last year (11th toughest in the state) as they will again this year.

So should Johnstown play Hartley?

Thats up to your athletic director. And Coach. I know Hartley called to try to get them to play.

It would be a great game to watch, but Hartley has different talent level than Johnstown year in year out. Johnstown has to work hard to stay competitive and really develop their younger players.

Come on now. Are you inferrring that you have to work harder than anyone else to stay competitive? Do you think that Hartley works hard? I would bet that anyone good works really hard to develop all of their players.

I don't know much about the Hartley program, but anyone who says some private schools don't have a talent draw advantage would not be realistic.

How do you know? Have you ever been to a private school? Please give some evidence.

Look at what happened when your coach was at Centerburg, he chose not to stay and develop his players. I think he beat Johnstown once while he was there, maybe twice, but would he have won with those same kids after he left?

He beat Johnstown twice (2004 and 2005). In 2004 he had a losing record and beat Johnstown at Johnstown.

I dont know if he would have won at Centerburg if he would have stayed. He won when he was at Centerburg and then he came to Hartley.

Was it maybe one of the reasons he left?

We think he left because he got the job at Hartley. But, I dont know. Ask him. We have found him to be very approachable at Hartley. Im sure he would give you an honest answer.

The year he took them to the final 4 Johnstown was 4th and 1 from the 1 from winning the game and a player went the wrong way Centerburg made the play and won the game. It kept Jtown out of the playoffs and Cburg went on to the final 4.

Centerburg beat Johnstown 17-3 in 2005. The 4th in 1 would not have helped Johnstown score 14 points.

Piece of advice: Quit blaming the players when things go wrong. "The player going the wrong way" did not lose the game. You got to score more than 3 points. Its a team game...

Wait a minute. Are you really questioning our coach? 10 coaches in the history of Ohio High School football have won Regional Championships with two different schools. He is one of them. We are happy with our coaching. We think we'll keep him. And there will be no 6'0clock news story to ever question otherwise.

Come on, our coaches won at Centerburg for crying out loud.

That's why football is a gream game, you just never know. But after next year Johnstown's schedule changes and they will only have one open date. From what i heard they are going to schedule all 9 Licking county teams except Newark.
So is playing: Northridge, Utica, Heath, Newark Catholic, Lakewood, Licking Valley, Watkins Memorial, Licking Heights & Granville a tough enough schedule for you?

No, honestly that is not a very tough schedule. Licking Valley is the only one with a playoff team on that schedule. If you dont play playoff teams, dont complain.

p.s. I think Johnstown's schedule got them into the final 4 last year. I don't think it was their schedule that lost the game for them.

Good job last year. But when you got to the semifinals you got embarassed and 50 points laid on you.

Remember you barely beat Coshocton. How did they match up with Hartley. Hartley was fortunate to be in region 15 in 2010. It was much different than region 14.

NDirish1 · (#440)

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