[QuakerOats]

obama's horrific record on employment is highlighted not just by historically high unemployment, but persistently high unemployment that is lasting years and years. Post WWII unemployment averaged 5.7%, Bush averaged significantly less than that, but obama has averaged nearly 10%, almost DOUBLE the post WWII average. When really digging into the numbers though, real unemployment is running closer to a staggering 18%. This is perhaps the most crippling economic data ever generated since the Great Depression. But obama's response has simply been to beat up on the job creators, ram obamacare down our throats which creates even more uncertainty and higher costs, and add immeasurable regulatory burdens via his radical czars at EPA, NLRB, and elsewhere. Is it any wonder his prescriptions have exacerbated the problem. Tens of millions need work, and we have the wrong guy in the White House. Devastating.


obama: The Master of Unemployment!

[DGUtley]

Yet, the media will not call him on the "real numbers" and he'll prevail again in November.

[Lancer '65]

Whose "real numbers"?

The auto industry has come back in a big way, jobs are being created every day. The economy is growing, not diminishing. Housing starts are increasing, not decreasing. Did anyone think that the economic catastrophe that was inherited by the current administration was going to be settled and corrected quickly? At least the effort has been made on many fronts to jump start the economy and the indicators suggest that on the whole,we are definitely going forward, not backward. The conservatives are railing about how the economy is so bad and joblessness is everywhere. We can't even guess how bad it would be if the Repubilican nominee would have been the President when he could have done what he said should be done..."Let the auto industry fail." They complain all the time (Conservatives) but when cornered, their mantra has been a steady diet of No,No,No, or "let them go bankrupt." Obama has been preaching answers, the conservatives have been preaching fear and "no". The other strong message we keep getting from the conservatives is that we must defeat Obama. That is the program for America in the conservatives eyes. I don't think it will sell very well with most American voters.

I'm looking forward to the debates. Romney is going to actually have to tell the American people what he will do. (at least for the moment).

[wisdome]

Originally Posted by Lancer '65

Whose "real numbers"?

The auto industry has come back in a big way, jobs are being created every day. The economy is growing, not diminishing. Housing starts are increasing, not decreasing. Did anyone think that the economic catastrophe that was inherited by the current administration was going to be settled and corrected quickly? At least the effort has been made on many fronts to jump start the economy and the indicators suggest that on the whole,we are definitely going forward, not backward. The conservatives are railing about how the economy is so bad and joblessness is everywhere. We can't even guess how bad it would be if the Repubilican nominee would have been the President when he could have done what he said should be done..."Let the auto industry fail." They complain all the time (Conservatives) but when cornered, their mantra has been a steady diet of No,No,No, or "let them go bankrupt." Obama has been preaching answers, the conservatives have been preaching fear and "no". The other strong message we keep getting from the conservatives is that we must defeat Obama. That is the program for America in the conservatives eyes. I don't think it will sell very well with most American voters.

I'm looking forward to the debates. Romney is going to actually have to tell the American people what he will do. (at least for the moment).

Lance ....I suggest that you take a look at SBFamily post or come to the south of Ohio were MANY got screwed by the bailout. Union members (aka Liberal voters got the benefit...nobody else).

[NapRover]

Originally Posted by wisdome

Lance ....I suggest that you take a look at SBFamily post or come to the south of Ohio were MANY got screwed by the bailout. Union members (aka Liberal voters got the benefit...nobody else).

We all got screwed by the bailouts-except friends of Barack.

[o.a.b.]

Originally Posted by wisdome

Lance ....I suggest that you take a look at SBFamily post or come to the south of Ohio were MANY got screwed by the bailout. Union members (aka Liberal voters got the benefit...nobody else).

..and I suggest you look at how many lost their career,wages,pensions and vacation through NAFTA.Fact : All Obama did was to put the fulcrum back in the middle.[ Which wouldn't have been necessary if not for Republican meddling ] Yes---I know,Clinton signed it--which party WROTE it and made it their primary goal ? Newt and his ringleaders.A "contract" with -----er----on America.Free-trade without parameters is meaningless.The deficits with China reflect that.NAFTA was crafted like a world class revolver --but it was pointed in the wrong direction upon signing it.Government meddling in business/unions is wrong.Look at how Kasich quickly backed off ! Everybody wants a cheaper smarter worker......so they DON'T have to be.Spineless double-talking republicans had better walk the walk-they've talked the talk too long

[wisdome]

Originally Posted by o.a.b.

..and I suggest you look at how many lost their career,wages,pensions and vacation through NAFTA.Fact : All Obama did was to put the fulcrum back in the middle.[ Which wouldn't have been necessary if not for Republican meddling ] Yes---I know,Clinton signed it--which party WROTE it and made it their primary goal ? Newt and his ringleaders.A "contract" with -----er----on America.Free-trade without parameters is meaningless.The deficits with China reflect that.NAFTA was crafted like a world class revolver --but it was pointed in the wrong direction upon signing it.Government meddling in business/unions is wrong.Look at how Kasich quickly backed off ! Everybody wants a cheaper smarter worker......so they DON'T have to be.Spineless double-talking republicans had better walk the walk-they've talked the talk too long

Man are you a spinner. You defend to the end who prvides you with the koolaid despite what his record says.

So if the Prez signed it (and is a Demo) automatically it is the Repos fault. Of course the Repos wrote most if it but the Demo Prez signed. Now let me give a litle bit of history on the NAFTA law (hope it will help):

1. The House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, 234-200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. What does that tell you?

2. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. What does that tell you?

3. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

4. This is what Clinton said while signing the NAFTA bill - "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."

Case closed...keep driking the koolaid.

[jimmacqueen]

Obama will never get the true credit he deserves for heading off the second GREAT DEPRESSION! But for him, you might be standing on a street corner selling apples, quacker.

But you keep telling your republican shill lies...by now, they are ineffective on this forum as everyone has already made up their minds, and Obama WILL be re-elected.

[NapRover]

Originally Posted by jimmacqueen

Obama will never get the true credit he deserves for heading off the second GREAT DEPRESSION! But for him, you might be standing on a street corner selling apples, quacker.

But you keep telling your republican shill lies...by now, they are ineffective on this forum as everyone has already made up their minds, and Obama WILL be re-elected.

Perhaps that's because there was never going to be one. It was all scare tactics and hype in order to get his agenda passed. We would have been much better off, IMO, had Bush and Barack let the people responsible for the "crisis" go belly up-bankrupt. Everyone would still have jobs, we wouldn't have noticed the "change" at all.

[sleeper]

Originally Posted by jimmacqueen

Obama will never get the true credit he deserves for heading off the second GREAT DEPRESSION! But for him, you might be standing on a street corner selling apples, quacker.

But you keep telling your republican shill lies...by now, they are ineffective on this forum as everyone has already made up their minds, and Obama WILL be re-elected.

Heading off? We just haven't entered it yet.

[o.a.b.]

Originally Posted by jimmacqueen

Obama will never get the true credit he deserves for heading off the second GREAT DEPRESSION! But for him, you might be standing on a street corner selling apples, quacker.

But you keep telling your republican shill lies...by now, they are ineffective on this forum as everyone has already made up their minds, and Obama WILL be re-elected.

Amen Brother !!!! The bottom line : No Republican will EVER admit how bad GWB was.He sure wasn't a TRUE Republican.A TRUE Republican.beotching about deficits wouldn't convienently overlook the debt that moron rang up.A TRUE Republican wouldn't have sided with him [ based on party alone ] when he accused others of WMD's.He USED the 9/11 scenerio for political purposes alone.NO,I don't support Sadam BUT what would we say/do if another country turned coat and went after one of our politial leaders because they BELIEVED [ based on "bad intelligence" ] him to have commited war crimes ? Bad mouth the UN allyou want,at least Clinton had the savy to CONSULT,not SWAY world opinion when we went into Yugoslavia.More importantly,by doing that,he retained cohesiveness in that battle.Bush's co-horts dropped like flies.

[SBFAMILY]

Auto Industry ! Don't talk to anyone about the debt we tax payers got stuck with. The EPA clean up costs alone is massive. Need to come to Mansfield Ohio and talk Auto bail out , they will run you out of town. You do understand that GM walked away from millions and if you had stock in GM in your retirement plan you got screwed! Yes he looks good to the union and workers, just like the waiver he gave them with Obama care. The rest of us would have been better if they had went thru the bankruptcy proceedings.

[QuakerOats]

The auto "industry" was not bailed out, union workers were bailed out and votes were bought. The bondholders had their collateral literally stolen from them by obama and his communist auto czar. The nonunion auto industry has done just fine for itself and would have come in and bought the assets from bankrupt automakers and made cars. The normal process was not allowed to happen because this regime would have lost tens of millions in union dues and political kickbacks.

Housing starts remain at historic lows, commercial construction is dead, and demand is non-existent. So while the Fed has gone overboard to provide liquidity, it is not needed because there is no demand. And what is obama's solution --- ram obamacare down our throats, raise taxes, and increase the regulatory burden to ridiculous levels, and spend trillions that we don't have. That is exactly the opposite of what should be occurring.

All the while a couple tens of millions are sitting at home without a job, and without hope.


Change we can believe in ....

[o.a.b.]

Originally Posted by QuakerOats

The auto "industry" was not bailed out, union workers were bailed out and votes were bought. The bondholders had their collateral literally stolen from them by obama and his communist auto czar. The nonunion auto industry has done just fine for itself and would have come in and bought the assets from bankrupt automakers and made cars. The normal process was not allowed to happen because this regime would have lost tens of millions in union dues and political kickbacks.

Housing starts remain at historic lows, commercial construction is dead, and demand is non-existent. So while the Fed has gone overboard to provide liquidity, it is not needed because there is no demand. And what is obama's solution --- ram obamacare down our throats, raise taxes, and increase the regulatory burden to ridiculous levels, and spend trillions that we don't have. That is exactly the opposite of what should be occurring.

All the while a couple tens of millions are sitting at home without a job, and without hope.


Change we can believe in ....

Maybe the owners should have stayed in the business of BUILDING cars instead of delving into finance,leasing,movies and $1,000,000 glitz commercials.At the end of the day,it doesn't matter how healthy a horse LOOKS.Obamacare was origionally NIXONCARE.If it weren't for pensions,maybe other programs [ SSI-Medicare ] WOULD be held in check.At least pensions were based on a sticker price that people CHOSE to buy.You can't have it both ways and why I've said and will continue to say--the KEY to this mess--IS smaller government which MUST start at the top.ANYBODY can point out the problem [the repubs have a million of them] but it takes LEADERS practicing self-sacrifice to solve it.The "change-you-can-believe-in won't occur overnight.Only hypnotized deer-in-the-headlights Republicans would believe otherwise.It took a long long long time to get into this mess,so get rid of your " I want it yesterday " outlook--that's reserved for the boss [ and maybe why everybody thinks it's their God-given right ]

[QuakerOats]

First time jobless claims up again last week /// The War on the Unemployed continues.


obama: The Master of Unemployment.

[Wingman3]

^^ That doesn't fit the narrative so it can't be true.

[QuakerOats]

Millions and millions unemployed.

Millions and millions under-employed.


obama: The Master of Unemployment.

[bethere]

Originally Posted by QuakerOats

Millions and millions unemployed.

Millions and millions under-employed.


obama: The Master of Unemployment.

[wisdome]

Originally Posted by bethere

Of course it is Georgi Bush fault....who else could it be. So how long does it take to say it is your economy??? I will let that response to come out of the Liberal Hanbook for koolaid drinkers!

[bethere]

Originally Posted by wisdome

Of course it is Georgi Bush fault....who else could it be. So how long does it take to say it is your economy??? I will let that response to come out of the Liberal Hanbook for koolaid drinkers!

yep. good for you it's bush's fault. if you compare the slope of the trend line for this scatterplot leading up to january 2009 and the slope for the line after january 2009 until now that conclusion is unavoidable.

one will have a positive value and the other will have a negative value. this is indisputable,

blaming obama for bush's issues is so terribly republican.