PPP's Final Wisconsin Poll Shows Scott Walker Edging Tom Barrett

[DGUtley]

Walker up by 7 in latest Wisconsin poll. I chose the MSNBC site for this poll as it's the stated place for progressives to go for their news.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/30/11958403-walker-leads-by-7-heading-into-tuesdays-wisconsin-recall?chromedomain=nbcpolitics&lite

Of course, Debbie Wasserman Schultz has flown in to help the Democrat. Way to go Debbie!!!!

[sleeper]

Good.

[QuakerOats]

Great.

It is also VERY telling that obama has been effectively asked to stay away. It will be awesome to see WI go red this November.

[tomindayton]

It ain't over till it's over and the fat lady is currently only warming up. I'm not going to hold my breath. There are still a lot of dead people votes to be counted and probable law suits to be litigated. This may drag out a while, unless of course the vote goes big in favor of one way or another.

[docthehun]

Debbie can't wait to take over for Nancy!

[fish82]

This will be a massive face plant for the Democrats, and will set the stage for a difficult summer.

[Homer Falcon]

This will be a massive face plant for the Democrats, and will set the stage for a difficult summer.

My thoughts exactly. Any liberal discounting the inevitable results has their head in the sand. The propaganda war they waged actually had me believing Wisconsin was beyond hope. Cheers to the cheese heads! Welcome back folks. You are now part of the new 'thousand points of light!' :)

[bethere]

Great.

It is also VERY telling that obama has been effectively asked to stay away. It will be awesome to see WI go red this November.

obama hasn't been asked to stay away. clinton moves in tomorrow.

a better word choice for you would have been 'unlikely,' rather than, 'awesome.'


here is a list of the current polls, and even rassmussen has obama +4.... haha.


http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/wi-president-12

also, from the same poll Utley cited:

05/23/2012 -
05/26/2012 Marquette Law… Obama 52.0 Romney 40.0



have a special day!

[Homer Falcon]

obama hasn't been asked to stay away. clinton moves in tomorrow.

a better word choice for you would have been 'unlikely,' rather than, 'awesome.'


here is a list of the current polls, and even rassmussen has obama +4.... haha.


http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/wi-president-12

also, from the same poll Utley cited:

05/23/2012 -
05/26/2012 Marquette Law… Obama 52.0 Romney 40.0



have a special day!

Hang in there sport. After Tuesday we'll revisit Wisconsin with some exit polling data that you ain't gonna like!

Speaking of Rassmussen, if he's accurate up there, what do you make of a couple other of his state polls? :)

Ohio -- Romney 46%, Obama 44% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/ohio/election_2012_ohio_president)

Indiana -- Romney 48%, Obama 42% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/indiana/election_2012_indiana_president)

North Carolina -- Romney 51%, Obama 43% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/north_carolina/election_2012_north_carolina_president)

We'll give you Wisconsin if we can have the other 3. ;)

[docthehun]

Hang in there sport. After Tuesday we'll revisit Wisconsin with some exit polling data that you ain't gonna like!

Speaking of Rassmussen, if he's accurate up there, what do you make of a couple other of his state polls? :)

Ohio -- Romney 46%, Obama 44% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/ohio/election_2012_ohio_president)

Indiana -- Romney 48%, Obama 42% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/indiana/election_2012_indiana_president)

North Carolina -- Romney 51%, Obama 43% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/north_carolina/election_2012_north_carolina_president)

We'll give you Wisconsin if we can have the other 3. ;)

Ah yes, the barter system! :D

[jimmacqueen]

Hang in there sport. After Tuesday we'll revisit Wisconsin with some exit polling data that you ain't gonna like!

Speaking of Rassmussen, if he's accurate up there, what do you make of a couple other of his state polls? :)

Ohio -- Romney 46%, Obama 44% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/ohio/election_2012_ohio_president)

Indiana -- Romney 48%, Obama 42% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/indiana/election_2012_indiana_president)

North Carolina -- Romney 51%, Obama 43% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/north_carolina/election_2012_north_carolina_president)

We'll give you Wisconsin if we can have the other 3. ;)

Currently, Obama is being shown with 270 electoral votes, not counting ANY of the above. I am pretty sure Romney will get Indiana and N. Carolina, but fairly confident Ohio will eventually stay with Obama, influenced greatly by the fact that Mandel is such a poor candidate for Senator.

[DGUtley]

I think that Romney gets Ohio. The rurals will come out BIG TIME for Romney like we did in 04 and there'll be no buzz in the urbans to get the vote out. Moreover, Brunner is gone so we don't have to worry about "irregular" votes in Cuyahoga County like we did last time. Ohio goes red.

[fish82]

Currently, Obama is being shown with 270 electoral votes, not counting ANY of the above.

lolHuffPoMap :rolleyes:

[macfan7358]

I saw the poll that had Walker and his challenger was in a dead heat...like 50-48 in favor of Walker...Walker is spending a lot of money to keep himself in the governors office, and the democrats really thought that the recall would go their way without work.

I think everyone figured Indiana would go republican...North Carolina is predicted to go red in november anyhow. I saw some polls where Obama is leading in Ohio within the margin of error. It is a dead heat in ohio...it will be tight in November.

Even if Romney takes those 3, he still must have Florida, and with his popularity among Hispanic voters not very good, that will be a huge test for Romney.

[DGUtley]

It is a dead heat in ohio...it will be tight in November.
Very.

[pmoney25]

While I don't think Walker is a particularly good gov, I am happy to see the Democrats plan blow up right in there face.

Im sure Ed Schultz will probably have a heart attack on his show if Walker wins.

[DGUtley]

No counting before they hatch. Keep up the pressure, press the issue.

[QuakerOats]

^^^ you are correct, never discount tens of millions of dollars from corrupt union machines, nor the misguided hysteria of certain public sector employees.

[wisdome]

obama hasn't been asked to stay away. clinton moves in tomorrow.

a better word choice for you would have been 'unlikely,' rather than, 'awesome.'


here is a list of the current polls, and even rassmussen has obama +4.... haha.


http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/wi-president-12

also, from the same poll Utley cited:

05/23/2012 -
05/26/2012 Marquette Law… Obama 52.0 Romney 40.0



have a special day!

Bethere,
for your reading pleasure:

The Bureau of Labor Statistics agreed that reforms put in place by Gov. Scott Walker (R) and the Wisconsin legislature have resulted in a net gain of 23,000 jobs. This has been a major focus of the unions and Progressives who are looking to recall Walker since he instituted Act 10, which curtailed the ability of public employee unions to engage in collective bargaining. In addition to the jobs increase, Wisconsin has eliminated its $3.6 billion deficit without raising taxes, and is currently enjoying a $150 million surplus.

It should not be about the party...you should vote for the person or people that get the job done and it looks like in Wisco the current folks in power are getting the job done!

[arizonawildcat]

It should also be noted that since Walker instituted his reforms, including mandating that union dues must be individually given to the union by public service union members rather than automatically deducted from their paychecks, union membership in the largest Wisconsin public service union has fallen more than 50%.

[wisdome]

It should also be noted that since Walker instituted his reforms, including mandating that union dues must be individually given to the union by public service union members rather than automatically deducted from their paychecks, union membership in the largest Wisconsin public service union has fallen more than 50%.

No surprise if that is the case. To me it should be the person deciding if they want to be part of a union or not. Looks like some freedom is being restored!

[sleeper]

Walker had the balls to standup to the corrupt public sector unions and do what's right for the state.

Just imagine the outrage on a national scale when the Fed tells everyone that you aren't getting your welfare or social security checks. Or if you do, it might be enough money to buy a loaf of bread and nothing else.

[wisdome]

Walker had the balls to standup to the corrupt public sector unions and do what's right for the state.

Just imagine the outrage on a national scale when the Fed tells everyone that you aren't getting your welfare or social security checks. Or if you do, it might be enough money to buy a loaf of bread and nothing else.

I agree with this 100%.

[jimmacqueen]

No surprise if that is the case. To me it should be the person deciding if they want to be part of a union or not. Looks like some freedom is being restored!

Well, if you call it "freedom" that two...that's right, TWO...people are dictating the outcome of this recall.

And those same TWO PEOPLE will also be the most important people in the election this November. Money talks, and everybody else walks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/koch-brothers-network_n_1560596.html

[wisdome]

Well, if you call it "freedom" that two...that's right, TWO...people are dictating the outcome of this recall.

And those same TWO PEOPLE will also be the most important people in the election this November. Money talks, and everybody else walks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/koch-brothers-network_n_1560596.html

So you are telling me that a person "should not have the RIGHT" to decide if they want to be part of a union or not? And the only reason why that is taking place because Walker has more money to win thanks to the Koch Brothers?

That is as lame as it gets. Please cry a river and get some cheese for the wine. The bottom line is that you as a liberal can't accept the fact the the numbers are telling us that in Wisco Walker is getting it done. Shame on you that you so against somebody getting people back to work and ending a lot of the there state dependency!

If people continue to think like you...that is what is going to take this country to the toilet!

[WGOU]

I hope Walker wins, but you never know. Harry Reid might be shipping his voting machines to Wisconsin. Angle was up on Reid by over 5 the week before the election and somehow he wins.

[jimmacqueen]

^I don't think you KNOW how I think. You BELIEVE you know, but since you cannot KNOW something that is not true, you are wrong.

Point: I'm an anti-union guy. Particularly against public employee and school system unions. See. You don't KNOW anything!

[wisdome]

^I don't think you KNOW how I think. You BELIEVE you know, but since you cannot KNOW something that is not true, you are wrong.

Point: I'm an anti-union guy. Particularly against public employee and school system unions. See. You don't KNOW anything!

So rejoice that Walker is getting it done in Wisco VS bringing the Koch brothers argument into the thread which has no bearing on why Walker is getting it done!

[tomindayton]

If Walker wins this thing, could he be a possible VP candidate for Romney?

[jimmacqueen]

But it DOES matter, because no one should be able to buy and sell elections, no matter whether I agree with their point of view or not.

[sleeper]

But it DOES matter, because no one should be able to buy and sell elections, no matter whether I agree with their point of view or not.

I agree with this. I wouldn't mind seeing campaign finance reform since the current model allows for the one with the most money to win. That money isn't free either; it comes with payback via political actions.

[Homer Falcon]

Well, if you call it "freedom" that two...that's right, TWO...people are dictating the outcome of this recall.

And those same TWO PEOPLE will also be the most important people in the election this November. Money talks, and everybody else walks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/koch-brothers-network_n_1560596.html

Absolutely absurd...again you look at the average voter in the same light as Pavlov's dog. Such contempt, such arrogance, such abject ivory towered nonsense!

Ever hear the names Soros or Buffett or Immelt??? At the worst it's a mulligan. The voters will decide, it's disgusting that you believe they're too stupid to separate the wheat from the chaff! :mad:

[NapRover]

I hope Walker wins, but you never know. Harry Reid might be shipping his voting machines to Wisconsin. Angle was up on Reid by over 5 the week before the election and somehow he wins.

clear cut case of voter fraud

[NapRover]

^I don't think you KNOW how I think. You BELIEVE you know, but since you cannot KNOW something that is not true, you are wrong.

Point: I'm an anti-union guy. Particularly against public employee and school system unions. See. You don't KNOW anything!

That one shocked me. We agree on something!

[JJ]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/03/wisconsin-polls-scott-walker-recall-tom-barrett_n_1566788.html?ref=@pollster&icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl23%7Csec3_lnk1%26pLid%3D167014

[assumption]

So rejoice that Walker is getting it done in Wisco VS bringing the Koch brothers argument into the thread which has no bearing on why Walker is getting it done!
Keep drinking that cool-aid! One of the dumbest comments made on this subject yet!! Where do you think all that cash came from that supports Walker. He may win but it will be a very hollow victory. The people outside of Wisconsin are laughing at this joke of a re-call.

[NapRover]

Keep drinking that cool-aid! One of the dumbest comments made on this subject yet!! Where do you think all that cash came from that supports Walker. He may win but it will be a very hollow victory. The people outside of Wisconsin are laughing at this joke of a re-call.

What's so dumb about it, Zeke? If he wins, it will hardly be a hollow victory, it will be a major repudiation of the state employee unions, a major step towards other states going the same route and gaining control of deficits, and lastly a major roundhouse blow to Brock's chances of carrying Wisconsin.
We are laughing at the people laughing thinking it's a joke of a recall.

[DGUtley]

Keep drinking that cool-aid! One of the dumbest comments made on this subject yet!! Where do you think all that cash came from that supports Walker. He may win but it will be a very hollow victory. The people outside of Wisconsin are laughing at this joke of a re-call.
Hollow? Hardly. It'll be a direct win for the people of Wisconsin and will keep them on a path of fiscal sanity. It's amazing that the AFSCME membership went from 62,000 to 28,000 after people had to actually send a check in. Amazing how many people actually opted-out of union membership.

[QuakerOats]

I wish I could see the pathetic expression on the face of the AFSCME 'leadership' (term used very loosely) in the wake of the mass exodus of 55% of the union, almost overnight. CLASSIC

[arizonawildcat]

I wish I could see the pathetic expression on the face of the AFSCME 'leadership' (term used very loosely) in the wake of the mass exodus of 55% of the union, almost overnight. CLASSIC

Just wonderin' if the mass exodus of members from the union, and the subsequent loss of their union dues, will led to the union leadership taking a pay cut.

[sleeper]

Just wonderin' if the mass exodus of members from the union, and the subsequent loss of their union dues, will led to the union leadership taking a pay cut.

You are more likely to just see heavier fees levied against the current members.

The day that unions no longer exist is the day America will be on the correct part to prosperity.

[o.a.b.]

The only reason that this country can no longer afford public unions is because legislation is continually being passed that stifles private sector unions.Whether you agree with unions or not,it is a legal right to join one.Their growth or lack of should not be influenced by government.Government is to stay neutral on unions-neither promoting them or stopping them.BIG MONEY has changed that ! Why should unions be legal ? Simply put,it is not nor ever was ownerships exclusive right to " the best deal " Any smart owner plays vendor against vendor to maintain quality/price aka value.Workforces,via court rulings,maintain that right too.The demise of America's living standard reflects that--and if you wish to argue [ while still arguing that trickle-down-supply side economics works ],it is quite obvious that you live in a world of convienent truth.I have no problem trying to compete with foreign labor or their costs but MY government [ under previous rulings ] is bound to stay neutral on all aspects.That did not happen under NAFTA or CAFTA and most of you remained mum on the subject as in -" Well,I'm glad it didn't happen to me " yet readily jump on the attack bandwagon because specific U.S. industries got help from the federal government-----THAT is a double standard,nothing less.While I'll agree that government workers should not be unionized [ because they put no tangible product on the market,we must buy their services and they compete with no-one ],private greed doesn't stop there---in fact,attacks on private unions began long before the attacks on public unions---another classic example of Republicans putting the cart in front of the horse.Had they put controls on public unions in the 80's,private unions would have went by the wayside on their own.For too long,there was a mistaken assumption that private unions were the ones creating inflation--only because the attack dogs didn't have their ducks in a row--and still don't.Public unions and inflated salaries within government have always been the main culprit,the problem being no-one had the fortitude to recognize or acknowledge it.So now,we'll bust all the public unions,via big money---and big money will win twice as America dwindles to nothing.If you think the Koch Brothers are not the main "investors" in this scenerio,you're sadly mistaken

[docthehun]

Your very first sentence makes zero sense. Balanced ignored.

[o.a.b.]

Your very first sentence makes zero sense. Balanced ignored.

It makes perfect sense and obviously,you judge a book by its cover

[docthehun]

The country could never afford public unions, we're just now getting the bills.

[sleeper]

The country could never afford public unions, we're just now getting the bills.

Well said.

[QuakerOats]

The country could never afford public unions, we're just now getting the bills.


Exactly --- it only took one generation of them to bankrupt Ohio.

[Homer Falcon]

The country could never afford public unions, we're just now getting the bills.

Me three...

Public unions are nothing more than taxpayer shakedown. Private unions deserve every nickle they can shakedown from their employers until they break the bank and lose their jobs.

The tea party wins big tonight. The good citizens of Wisconsin win big tonight. And, state government wins big tonight. You don't get a 'do-over' just because you were on the wrong side last we voted! ;)

[BGFalcons82]

But it DOES matter, because no one should be able to buy and sell elections, no matter whether I agree with their point of view or not.
You are upset about buying elections?

How about the unions loading up 4 buses in Detroit and taking people to Wisconsin to vote? Does this story bother you? Do you think the Koch boys paid for the buses...Hhmmmm?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/were-on-our-way-to-wisconsin-radio-caller-claims-unions-are-busing-people-into-wisconsin-to-vote-for-democrats/

[DGUtley]

The only reason that this country can no longer afford public unions is because legislation is continually being passed that stifles private sector unions.
Such as? Private sector unions are the province of the NLRB. There is no legislation passed by anybody that stifles private sector unions, hasn't been since the NLRA.
Whether you agree with unions or not,it is a legal right to join one.
It may be a legal right to join one, but it's not a legal right to have one represent you in your workplace. That takes a vote of the employees. No right there.
Their growth or lack of should not be influenced by government. Government is to stay neutral on unions-neither promoting them or stopping them. BIG MONEY has changed that !
Pick up the following booK: Mobbed Up: Jackie Presser's High-Wire Life in the Teamsters, the Mafia, and the FBI That'll learn you about big money and the unions.
Why should unions be legal ? Simply put,it is not nor ever was ownerships exclusive right to " the best deal " Any smart owner plays vendor against vendor to maintain quality/price aka value.
??? What?
Workforces, via court rulings,maintain that right too. The demise of America's living standard reflects that--and if you wish to argue [ while still arguing that trickle-down-supply side economics works ], it is quite obvious that you live in a world of convienent truth.
Reaganomics created the largest and longest post-war boon in our lifetime. Trickle-Down works. We need to get back to it.
I have no problem trying to compete with foreign labor or their costs but MY government [ under previous rulings ] is bound to stay neutral on all aspects. That did not happen under NAFTA or CAFTA and most of you remained mum on the subject as in -" Well,I'm glad it didn't happen to me " yet readily jump on the attack bandwagon because specific U.S. industries got help from the federal government-----THAT is a double standard,nothing less.
Try as I might, this makes no sense to me.
While I'll agree that government workers should not be unionized because they put no tangible product on the market,we must buy their services and they compete with no-one,
And the elected unon buds bargain with others money.
private greed doesn't stop there---in fact,attacks on private unions began long before the attacks on public unions---another classic example of Republicans putting the cart in front of the horse.
Show me this legislation that attacked private unions?
Had they put controls on public unions in the 80's,private unions would have went by the wayside on their own. For too long,there was a mistaken assumption that private unions were the ones creating inflation--only because the attack dogs didn't have their ducks in a row--and still don't.Public unions and inflated salaries within government have always been the main culprit,the problem being no-one had the fortitude to recognize or acknowledge it.So now,we'll bust all the public unions,via big money---and big money will win twice as America dwindles to nothing.If you think the Koch Brothers are not the main "investors" in this scenerio,you're sadly mistaken
Show me this legislation that attacked private unions?

[Homer Falcon]

Reaganomics created the largest and longest post-war boon in our lifetime. Trickle-Down works. We need to get back to it.

Yer a level headed man, and as a member of the bar a refreshing change from the John Edwards stereotype.

However, please don't feed the liberals. ;)

There's no such thing as trickle-down. It's called supply-side, and yes it works. I've never liked their rebranding and cringe whenever I hear it! Sorry for highlighting a pet peeve, but that one drives me crazy.

[bethere]

u
Reaganomics created the largest and longest post-war boon in our lifetime. Trickle-Down works.

actually, no. the longest peacetime economic expansion in our country's history happened AFTER the clinton tax HIKE.

nice try, dude.

[docthehun]

actually, no. the longest peacetime economic expansion in our country's history happened AFTER the clinton tax HIKE.

nice try, dude.

Correct correction.........but because of the tax hike? Nice try, dude! :D

[Homer Falcon]

actually, no. the longest peacetime economic expansion in our country's history happened AFTER the clinton tax HIKE.

nice try, dude.

Before the impact was felt and still riding on the coat-tails of Reagan economic policy. The Clinton reign ended in a recession. Largely due to poor monetary policy (the fed kept the prime way too high for way too long), but tax policy WAS complicit as well.

Nice try. ;)

[bethere]

The only reason that this country can no longer afford public unions is because legislation is continually being passed that stifles private sector unions.Whether you agree with unions or not,it is a legal right to join one.Their growth or lack of should not be influenced by government.Government is to stay neutral on unions-neither promoting them or stopping them.BIG MONEY has changed that ! Why should unions be legal ? Simply put,it is not nor ever was ownerships exclusive right to " the best deal " Any smart owner plays vendor against vendor to maintain quality/price aka value.Workforces,via court rulings,maintain that right too.The demise of America's living standard reflects that--and if you wish to argue [ while still arguing that trickle-down-supply side economics works ],it is quite obvious that you live in a world of convienent truth.I have no problem trying to compete with foreign labor or their costs but MY government [ under previous rulings ] is bound to stay neutral on all aspects.That did not happen under NAFTA or CAFTA and most of you remained mum on the subject as in -" Well,I'm glad it didn't happen to me " yet readily jump on the attack bandwagon because specific U.S. industries got help from the federal government-----THAT is a double standard,nothing less.While I'll agree that government workers should not be unionized [ because they put no tangible product on the market,we must buy their services and they compete with no-one ],private greed doesn't stop there---in fact,attacks on private unions began long before the attacks on public unions---another classic example of Republicans putting the cart in front of the horse.Had they put controls on public unions in the 80's,private unions would have went by the wayside on their own.For too long,there was a mistaken assumption that private unions were the ones creating inflation--only because the attack dogs didn't have their ducks in a row--and still don't.Public unions and inflated salaries within government have always been the main culprit,the problem being no-one had the fortitude to recognize or acknowledge it.So now,we'll bust all the public unions,via big money---and big money will win twice as America dwindles to nothing.If you think the Koch Brothers are not the main "investors" in this scenerio,you're sadly mistaken


inflation is a natural occurrence. it happens because the money supply increased. the supply of money increases because of several factors, the most important being economic growth and the multiplier effect.

without inflation you get what we have today.

[bethere]

The Clinton reign ended in a recession.

The reagan expansion ended in a recession, too.

THAT'S BECAUSE ALL EXPANSIONS END IN RECESSION.

[docthehun]

The reagan expansion ended in a recession, too.

THAT'S BECAUSE ALL EXPANSIONS END IN RECESSION.

Correct again! You're on a roll Captain. :)

[bethere]

Correct again! You're on a roll Captain. :)

i figure i had to say something, as he was just about to unwind on my libertarian buddy OAB..

[docthehun]

i figure i had to say something, as he was just about to unwind on my libertarian buddy OAB..

Excellent choice for a preemptive defense. Sorely needed I might add. :)

[bethere]

Excellent choice for a preemptive defense. Sorely needed I might add. :)

his post had 9 quotes in it!! even by my over the top standards..

wow!

[docthehun]

his post had 9 quotes in it!! even by my over the top standards..

wow!

Stop it, you're killing me! :D

Bless his heart, he means well and is genuinely sincere. "A" for effort. :)

[DGUtley]

Ok ok ok. Maybe I went a tad too far?

[Homer Falcon]

Fox exit polling has Walker up by 5. ;)

[DGUtley]

Twitter abuzz with threats of lawsuits.

[Homer Falcon]

Twitter abuzz with threats of lawsuits.

Re-count baby! Now get your arse up there counselor and make some money!

[majorspark]

If Walker does not win by at least 1,500 he is toast. "Uncounted" votes will be mined all over Wisconsin.

[docthehun]

Twitter abuzz with threats of lawsuits.

Details counselor?

[Homer Falcon]

If Walker does not win by at least 1,500 he is toast. "Uncounted" votes will be mined all over Wisconsin.

Agreed. But he'll win by well over 15,000.

Fox can't wait to call this. Hannity's got a tingle right now!

[Homer Falcon]

Hannity can't stand it! He's got to make the call before his shift ends. Fox reports within the next few minutes.

[Homer Falcon]

Wow!

60-40 Walker.

[minsterman]

Wow!

60-40 Walker.

when a third of the union workers were given the chance to leave their unions they left.......this is AMERICA, nobody should be forced into joining a union to get a certian job......pretty simple......if I want and am qualified for a job.....I DON"T HAVE TO JOIN A UNION TO GET THE JOB.......

[Homer Falcon]

Agreed. But he'll win by well over 15,000.

Stupid me...I meant 150,000! :o

[distressed05]

Minsterman,

Have you ever been in a union?

[fish82]

As predicted...it's a complete beatdown. Ed Schultz is literally crying on the air.

Best night. :D

[minsterman]

Minsterman,

Have you ever been in a union?

never have, but have called on manufacturing companies that have unions.....i know the game they play, why do u ask? and by the way i have no problem with a union, JUST DON"T tell me i have to join a union to get the job......

[minsterman]

As predicted...it's a complete beatdown. Ed Schultz is literally crying on the air.

Best night. :D

i got to it a little late......would love to have seen BIG ed, hell now he might not get the extra money from the unions that he has been collecting on the SIDE from the UNIONS....

[Homer Falcon]

i got to it a little late......would love to have seen BIG ed, hell now he might not get the extra money from the unions that he has been collecting on the SIDE from the UNIONS....

Greasy Ed just reported that Barrett refuses to concede.

[majorspark]

This recall election was a colossal waste of money. All of them are. Money that could have been invested in some enterprising entrepreneur that could have used it to bring a good or service to market to the benefit of us all. In the process creating lasting jobs and wealth. Instead its pissed down the drain because some had to throw a temper tantrum and could not wait a couple of years for the next election. This kind of sh!t will only lead to our undoing as a republic.

[WGOU]

Harry Reid's voting machines did not arrive in time. Unfortunately, Obama will have them in all 50 states come November. He's recruiting thugs to join the Philadelphia team to stand outside the voting locations. Something fishing will occur in November.

[BGFalcons82]

Regarding the "final Wisconsin polling", PPP (Public Policy Polling, a well known democratic polling organization) had Walker in front by 3 points on Sunday. Walker wins by 7, so the PPP folks only missed it by 133%. Rasmussen had the Walker advantage at 5, which is within the advertised margin of error.

Next time someone humps PPP, remember their track record. I can't believe Realclearpolitics would even consider them anymore, but hey...somebody has to show Barry in front.

[tomindayton]

Not to sound racist, but June 2012 is on coarse to shaping up pretty badly for the BHO ilk. The total face plant of the union-sponsored Wisconsin recall the first week and the soon to be total smack down of ObamaKare by the SCOTUS at the end of June.

Makes me wonder who and what exactly is moving forward on the progressive/socialist/marxist side of the isle.

[wisdome]

Common sense has prevailed in Wisco. Walker good job has been approved despite what the liberals say! Nobody should be forced to join a union!

[QuakerOats]

Amen

[o.a.b.]

So ,we're cutting benefits for workers yet retaining tax cuts for the richest AND leaving elected officials immune from cuts.....smaller government ? Highly doubtful,just a shift in expenditures.The Koch Boys,as we speak,are gleefully saying " Hook,Line and Sinker " I am oppossed to public retirement as it stands but again,those decrying big government will be there to claim the spoils of war while the average voter will see little reduction in his bill.

[DGUtley]

Remember, when you speak of "tax cuts" for the Rich, what you are really talking about is reducing the amount more than everybody else that they pay in taxes. The rich still pay more in amount and percentage than the non-rich. Don't you think that asking the rich to pay the same percentage as everyone else would constitute "fair share"?

[o.a.b.]

Remember, when you speak of "tax cuts" for the Rich, what you are really talking about is reducing the amount more than everybody else that they pay in taxes. The rich still pay more in amount and percentage than the non-rich. Don't you think that asking the rich to pay the same percentage as everyone else would constitute "fair share"?

There have been 50-60 $400,000 homes built in our school district over the last 10 years----based on actual millage assessments,everyone's property taxes should have dropped--they didn't [ and teachers recieved their 2 %-2%-2% raises,well within inflationary allowance ] I still contend that the key to less government is not attacking the enabled,it is in attacking the enablers.We can't justify a $350,000 / representative bad-mouthing organized labor while he's still allowed to collect soft money from un-named sources.Our government is getting hijacked by those screaming the loudest with their money [ remember Barabas ? ].If the trend continues,we'll have elected officials looking at their publicly paid salary as a pittance compared to what they're getting from other sources----vastly resembling what has happened to the dollar-check off on income tax,which now means absolutely nothing.Smaller government,in the long run,must begin at the top.The Wisconsin vote may have treated the symptoms,but not the disease.

[tomindayton]

I highly doubt the revered Kennedy family made much of their fortune from their public service work while in office.

[o.a.b.]

Remember, when you speak of "tax cuts" for the Rich, what you are really talking about is reducing the amount more than everybody else that they pay in taxes. The rich still pay more in amount and percentage than the non-rich. Don't you think that asking the rich to pay the same percentage as everyone else would constitute "fair share"?

The same % with no write-offs is indeed fair.I've never contended that the rich should pay more,I contend that the real % they pay be the same as everyone else.I do not agree with some of the deals cut to land industry such as a corporation being allowed to self-assess its worth and then making a " donation " to the school district,yet it is going on.

[o.a.b.]

I highly doubt the revered Kennedy family made much of their fortune from their public service work while in office.

nor Nixon,Bush's.I have always admired DDE--I'll bet his pentagon pension was no small allowance either.Ron Reagan,former union president was a reknowned double dipper....so it cuts both ways.The Kennedy's fortune was from running moonshine,a common form of income in the day.Someone had to profit from government enacted prohibition.An unenforcable law always creates a black market.

[bethere]

Makes me wonder who and what exactly is moving forward on the progressive/socialist/marxist side of the isle.

we are neither marxists, nor socialists.

[bethere]

The same % with no write-offs is indeed fair.I've never contended that the rich should pay more,I contend that the real % they pay be the same as everyone else.I do not agree with some of the deals cut to land industry such as a corporation being allowed to self-assess its worth and then making a " donation " to the school district,yet it is going on.


everyone please note the obvious libertarian stance here and get off the "oab is a liberal' fantasy train.

why am i the only poster here who took the time to actually read this fine poster's posts?

[wisdome]

So ,we're cutting benefits for workers yet retaining tax cuts for the richest AND leaving elected officials immune from cuts.....smaller government ? Highly doubtful,just a shift in expenditures.The Koch Boys,as we speak,are gleefully saying " Hook,Line and Sinker " I am oppossed to public retirement as it stands but again,those decrying big government will be there to claim the spoils of war while the average voter will see little reduction in his bill.

Here we go again with the Koch crew. The union gang did not get what they wanted and you just can't accept the fact that the Wisco Gov is getting the job done! Way to spin a BIG DEFEAT and a great win for the people of Wisco!

[wisdome]

There have been 50-60 $400,000 homes built in our school district over the last 10 years----based on actual millage assessments,everyone's property taxes should have dropped--they didn't [ and teachers recieved their 2 %-2%-2% raises,well within inflationary allowance ] I still contend that the key to less government is not attacking the enabled,it is in attacking the enablers.We can't justify a $350,000 / representative bad-mouthing organized labor while he's still allowed to collect soft money from un-named sources.Our government is getting hijacked by those screaming the loudest with their money [ remember Barabas ? ].If the trend continues,we'll have elected officials looking at their publicly paid salary as a pittance compared to what they're getting from other sources----vastly resembling what has happened to the dollar-check off on income tax,which now means absolutely nothing.Smaller government,in the long run,must begin at the top.The Wisconsin vote may have treated the symptoms,but not the disease.

So you agree with getting rid of the Prez????

[creeksider]

Common sense has prevailed in Wisco. Walker good job has been approved despite what the liberals say! Nobody should be forced to join a union!

Nope....you should have free reign over deciding to work for peanuts, and for slave owners. :o

[Homer Falcon]

Nope....you should have free reign over deciding to work for peanuts, and for slave owners. :o

EXACTLY!

We don't need unions complicating that fact! It was past time we put those public sector extortionists out of business...saved us peasants a ton of toil. ;)

[jimmacqueen]

Here we go again with the Koch crew. The union gang did not get what they wanted and you just can't accept the fact that the Wisco Gov is getting the job done! Way to spin a BIG DEFEAT and a great win for the people of Wisco!

Well, keep in mind that I am ANTI-UNION, particularly against public employee unions. Nevertheless, I think it's terribly wrong that a VERY FEW rich people can spend so much money to influence what voter think and do. I think unions SHOULD be regulated and limited in what they are allowed to spend, with no loopholes. I think corporations SHOULD be regulated and limited in what they are allowed to spend, with no loopholes. I think PACs SHOULD be regulated and limited in what they are allowed to spend, with no loopholes. And, I think rich individuals SHOULD be regulated and limited in what they are allowed to spend, with no loopholes. I think a max of $100 per individual, corp, union, PAC or whatever sounds about right per election/issue contest.

[assumption]

Nope....you should have free reign over deciding to work for peanuts, and for slave owners. :o
Right on! These over-bearing conservatives will not admit the middle-class union members set the standards for decent wages and benefits.

[DGUtley]

Well, keep in mind that I am ANTI-UNION, particularly against public employee unions. Nevertheless, I think it's terribly wrong that a VERY FEW rich people can spend so much money to influence what voter think and do. I think unions SHOULD be regulated and limited in what they are allowed to spend, with no loopholes. I think corporations SHOULD be regulated and limited in what they are allowed to spend, with no loopholes. I think PACs SHOULD be regulated and limited in what they are allowed to spend, with no loopholes. And, I think rich individuals SHOULD be regulated and limited in what they are allowed to spend, with no loopholes. I think a max of $100 per individual, corp, union, PAC or whatever sounds about right per election/issue contest.
Shall we control what the press says also? Shall we require that the press give 50/50 content and opinion coverage for all view, points, candidates?

[NapRover]

Right on! These over-bearing conservatives will not admit the middle-class union members set the standards for decent wages and benefits.

Union members serve their country, play golf, buy cars, eat out and support the economy in multitudes of ways. I personally feel they have self destructed due to being mislead into extorting from their employers. And for no other reason than their contracts were up and it's time to renegotiate and get more. Fine, they have a right to do that in the private sector, but if plants are forced to close down or move to Mexico, they have only themselves and their corrupt leaders to blame. Public sector unions should be illegal. They extort from US, the taxpayers. I don't hold individual people to blame except for the union bosses. If there can't be a ban on public sector unions, there should at least be a law that says they don't get any more pay/benefits than the average private sector counterpart.

(not that I'm an overbearing conservative)

[DGUtley]

I just see something insidious about the public sector unions funding the candidacy of someone that they are going to negotiate with over wages. It seems to me that that would make it a one-way street and not a two-way street. Nobody should be paid unreasonable or unfairly. Nobody should be treated unfairly. Hence, who is really protecting the taxpayer in the negotiations? Negotiations are supposed to be arms-length. Not with someone at the trough.

[docthehun]

Union members serve their country, play golf, buy cars, eat out and support the economy in multitudes of ways. I personally feel they have self destructed due to being mislead into extorting from their employers. And for no other reason than their contracts were up and it's time to renegotiate and get more. Fine, they have a right to do that in the private sector, but if plants are forced to close down or move to Mexico, they have only themselves and their corrupt leaders to blame. Public sector unions should be illegal. They extort from US, the taxpayers. I don't hold individual people to blame except for the union bosses. If there can't be a ban on public sector unions, there should at least be a law that says they don't get any more pay/benefits than the average private sector counterpart.

(not that I'm an overbearing conservative)

Excellent post. My sentiments exactly. Not that I'm an overbearing conservative; not that there's anything wrong with that! :D

[wisdome]

Right on! These over-bearing conservatives will not admit the middle-class union members set the standards for decent wages and benefits.

The issue is not with unions or its members...it is with being forced to be part of a union to get that x job. That is what is wrong. Let the individual determine its own fate. If he or she don't want to be part of a union so be it...if they do let them do it. The road of choice should go both ways!

[docthehun]

Stop the automatic payroll deduction for union dues and see what happens to membership.

[wisdome]

Stop the automatic payroll deduction for union dues and see what happens to membership.

It did happen and did not like not getting there fat pay checks as leaders of the de-union!

[assumption]

The idea that only those who chose to join and pay the dues would create major problems is very obvious. Imagine that an individual who chose not to pay the dues is being wrongly terminated (CANNED). Who does he go to? Who will represent him? Or at the last contract there was a nice package negotiated, giving employees a nice raise. Would the non-union employee accept the raise? LOL! Or would he ask the union to fight for his job.LOL!

[wisdome]

The idea that only those who chose to join and pay the dues would create major problems is very obvious. Imagine that an individual who chose not to pay the dues is being wrongly terminated (CANNED). Who does he go to? Who will represent him? Or at the last contract there was a nice package negotiated, giving employees a nice raise. Would the non-union employee accept the raise? LOL! Or would he ask the union to fight for his job.LOL!

If he got wrongly terminated I would think he could defend himself via the State Attorney, private lawyer or even himself. That is up to him to decide vs being forced to decide...that is the difference that you can't accept!

[assumption]

If he got wrongly terminated I would think he could defend himself via the State Attorney, private lawyer or even himself. That is up to him to decide vs being forced to decide...that is the difference that you can't accept!
Accept what !? ^^^^^This is what some call conservative logic. What this poster is saying; I'll hire an attorney at over $100 an hour rather than pay $30to $40 a month in dues. When all is said and done, the sad sack has spent hundreds and the employer may find another reason to can him anyway. BTW wisdome, you failed to address that increase in wages the union bargained for. Does the non-union employee accept the raise? But I regress. Unions do have lawyers to deal with any kind of devious employers tactics.

[bethere]

Accept what !? ^^^^^This is what some call conservative logic. What this poster is saying; I'll hire an attorney at over $100 an hour rather than pay $30to $40 a month in dues. When all is said and done, the sad sack has spent hundreds and the employer may find another reason to can him anyway. BTW wisdome, you failed to address that increase in wages the union bargained for. Does the non-union employee accept the raise? But I regress. Unions do have lawyers to deal with any kind of devious employers tactics.

nice post, sir!

[Homer Falcon]

Accept what !? ^^^^^This is what some call conservative logic. What this poster is saying; I'll hire an attorney at over $100 an hour rather than pay $30to $40 a month in dues. When all is said and done, the sad sack has spent hundreds and the employer may find another reason to can him anyway. BTW wisdome, you failed to address that increase in wages the union bargained for. Does the non-union employee accept the raise? But I regress. Unions do have lawyers to deal with any kind of devious employers tactics.

^^^^^This is what I call liberal logic.

GOOD workers rarely need to be concerned with wrongful dismissal, getting canned, or devious employer tactics.

They're GOOD. They can work anywhere. They just move to a better employer.

Unions protect marginal workers. They're the only ones who need them. ;)

You are welcome!

[BGFalcons82]

^^^^^This is what I call liberal logic.

GOOD workers rarely need to be concerned with wrongful dismissal, getting canned, or devious employer tactics.

They're GOOD. They can work anywhere. They just move to a better employer.

Unions protect marginal workers. They're the only ones who need them. ;)

You are welcome!
Bingo!!!!
By the way, from whom do government employees need protection? Whom pays their salary and funds Democrat campaign coffers?

[bethere]

Bingo!!!!
By the way, from whom do government employees need protection? Whom pays their salary and funds Democrat campaign coffers?

WE A-L-L NEED PROTECTION FROM THE GOP.

[BGFalcons82]

WE A-L-L NEED PROTECTION FROM THE GOP.
And YOU berate conservatives for logical fallacies! You have an irrational fear of Republicans. You should have that defect checked out by a specialist.

[bethere]

And YOU berate conservatives for logical fallacies!

feel free to specify a fallacy i used, son.

we need protection FROM YOU.

YOU are the biggest issue in american politics, not the deficit, or jobs, or health care--YOU ARE THE BIG STORY.

IF I WERE RUNNING THE CAMPAIGN MY PEOPLE WOULD STRAP AK47S ON THEIR BACKS AND WALK INTO YOUR FUNCTIONS AND CLAIM OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY A GUN JUST LIKE YOU GUYS DID.

i'm all about using your tactics to disrupt you.

be glad that i am posting here, rather than ending the long term run of the gop.

[BGFalcons82]

Do you check under your bed at night for wascally wepublicans befo you go to sleep? :)
I am the issue, now?! If you mean redneck, homphobic, neanderthal, moronic, racist Tea Partiers, then, as Bo Ryan suggests, Deal With It.

[docthehun]

WE A-L-L NEED PROTECTION FROM THE GOP.

Not me. Just this week I got two letters from Mitt, one from John McCain and two from the NRC. They're so concerned about me, they've called four times to see if they can be of any assistance in helping me write a check, mostly because we're all close buddies. :D

[bethere]

Do you check under your bed at night for wascally wepublicans befo you go to sleep? :)
I am the issue, now?! If you mean redneck, homphobic, neanderthal, moronic, racist Tea Partiers, then, as Bo Ryan suggests, Deal With It.

i never said i was afraid of the gop.

whenever i go head to head with them i win--except once, and that guy emerged seriously damaged. the next cycle? he tried to hire ME.

i'm good, but you already knew that. that's why you are here. you can't simulate my tenacity and depth.

and if you chase me away this becomes a monstrous circle jerk.

i bring meaning to the forum.

[bethere]

Not me. Just this week I got two letters from Mitt, one from John McCain and two from the NRC. They're so concerned about me, they've called four times to see if they can be of any assistance in helping me write a check, mostly because we're all close buddies. :D

and they are so outstanding at targeting that i get the same calls and letters... repetitive contacts don't come cheaply. i'm not talking of robo calls, although i get those, too. i get a ton of targeted gop voter contacts and i can assure you my voting record isn't secret. all they would have to do is match up their contact lists and save millions of bucks by not contacting people they have no chance of persuading.

i always make a point of ridiculing the volunteer callers so that if they had a way to clean up their lists they would.

but they don't.

*cha-ching*

haha.

[Homer Falcon]

WE A-L-L NEED PROTECTION FROM THE GOP.

Nice strawman.

[bethere]

Nice strawman.

perhaps, but we all watched the people against government spending spend their little hearts out. when they were in office.

we watched the anti-tax party raise taxes dozens of times.

WE CRY ABOUT COMMUNIST LEVEL TAXES WHEN A REPUBLICAN SET THE MARGINAL RATE AT 91% RATHER THAN 35% WHERE IT IS NOW.

we watched the party that opposes judicial activism rewrite a couple hundred years of jurisprudence.

we watched you shoot down carbon tax credits--your own idea--just because obama agreed with you.

you would argue that corporations are people and yet that people have to pay taxes while you can't really tax a corporation. as you said yesterday, some animals are more equal than others, huh?

we watched you do the same to health care because you are mean.

you stopped having constituent meet and greets because you knew that we would come visit you too... free speech is only fun when you have it, huh?

mass demonstrations were fun, too.. until we started doing it. now they are illegal. way to defend my right to free assembly.

we watched the party that would have the line item veto outlaw the line item veto.

we watched the party that called every war of the twentieth century a democrat war start a war just for fun... and lose that war in a hideously expensive and embarrassing way.

many of those GOP congressmen (including boehner) who ran on term limits 1994 are still in office twenty years later.

we watched the party of limited government look into people's bedrooms, and hunt down presidential birth certificates, and argue in court that there is no right to privacy.

we watched you impeach president clinton just because you could, and now y'all profess clinton love,

we have watched you threaten to shut down the government in a temper tantrum over and over. twice, we've actually watched you do it.

many in the gop argue that women shouldn't vote, 18-yr olds shouldn't vote, reformed felons shouldn't vote, or that no one should vote for US senate, or that we shouldn't have ratified the fourteenth amendment.

the party of lincoln would deter millions from being able to vote based on a fraudulent view that there is rampant voter fraud when in fact there is virtually none. most of the documented voter fraud that does exist in fact can be traced to republicans.

STRAW MAN OR NOT, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM AND YOU ARE THE BIGGEST ISSUE OF 2012.

[Homer Falcon]

STRAW MAN OR NOT, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM AND YOU ARE THE BIGGEST ISSUE OF 2012.

Ahhh...yes. The 'strategy.'

The biggest issue of 2012 is that you've had 4 years and we're stuck in the mud. ;)

We the people don't want your nanny ship.

We the people want to be left alone.

We are not the witch.

We are winning.

[bethere]

Ahhh...yes. The 'strategy.'

The biggest issue of 2012 is that you've had 4 years and we're stuck in the mud. ;)

We the people don't want your nanny ship.

We the people want to be left alone.

We are not the witch.

We are winning.



you love the nanny ship and have supported it for years.

you may want to be left alone but you (figurative, meaning 'you guys') want to hang around in my bedroom, too. now that is twisted if you ask me.

and we all see the people pumping water under our rear axle trying to make sure we never escape the puddle.

"Look at the Kenyan," your friends might have said as they poured more water into the mud, "Barry can't escape.. elect me instead."

THAT'S WHY YOU ARE THE BIGGEST ISSUE OF 2012.

[Homer Falcon]

you love the nanny ship and have supported it for years.

you may want to be left alone but you (figurative, meaning 'you guys') want to hang around in my bedroom, too. now that is twisted if you ask me.

and we all see the people pumping water under our rear axle trying to make sure we never escape the puddle.

"Look at the Kenyan," your friends might have said as they poured more water into the mud, "Barry can't escape.. elect me instead."

THAT'S WHY YOU ARE THE BIGGEST ISSUE OF 2012.

We shall see.

President-Elect Romney knows how to make money. Liberals need money to divide between their subjects.

YOU NEED US!

**Romney 2012**

[bethere]

YOU NEED US!

absolutely. we need a healthy republican party. i need about twenty of you healthy writers to cancel me out, for example, but there aren't any candidates. doc doesn't count. he'll end up canceling out homer.

THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS ARE THE BIGGEST ISSUE OF 2012.

[BGFalcons82]

THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS ARE THE BIGGEST ISSUE OF 2012.
You've written the above about a dozen times so far. Go ahead, make it your tagline. More utter futility. When you can't run on any record, any positive accomplishment, nor any vision for the future, lash out at the opposition. It won't work, but your flailing about is quite comical.

This election is all about Barry Soetoro and his failure to lead, his failure to unite, and his failure to fix what ails us. He's a complete failure and he will be replaced. Simple as that.

Deal With It.

[bethere]

You've written the above about a dozen times so far. Go ahead, make it your tagline. More utter futility. When you can't run on any record, any positive accomplishment, nor any vision for the future, lash out at the opposition. It won't work, but your flailing about is quite comical.

This election is all about Barry Soetoro and his failure to lead, his failure to unite, and his failure to fix what ails us. He's a complete failure and he will be replaced. Simple as that.

Deal With It.

more than anything this election is about your inabilty to offer Barry Soetoro enough respect to call him Barack Obama.

you created us, the democratic party of 2012. a few women here, a few gays there, a few hispanics tagging along with a whole bunch of african-americans, scientists, artists,students, musicians, teachers, nuns, and trade unionists--we exist because we continue to be under attack.

you drove us together.

note that most of the smart/creative people... are on our side. ted nuggent is no substitute for bob dylan.

[fg]

I haven't been on here since December. Looks like we are free again!

Looking forward to throwing my two cents in over the next 5 months.

[wisdome]

Accept what !? ^^^^^This is what some call conservative logic. What this poster is saying; I'll hire an attorney at over $100 an hour rather than pay $30to $40 a month in dues. When all is said and done, the sad sack has spent hundreds and the employer may find another reason to can him anyway. BTW wisdome, you failed to address that increase in wages the union bargained for. Does the non-union employee accept the raise? But I regress. Unions do have lawyers to deal with any kind of devious employers tactics.

Accept the fact the the employee can determine how he/she wants to be represented if the situation of "canned" happens. He or she can choose to be part of the union when they are hired and they will take care of him for $30 a month (which is wishfull thinking if it is that low), use the State Attorney (free), him or herself (for free and have the right) or hire his or her own attorney (need to pay). As you still fail to realize it is still up to the INDIVIDUAL to determine how he or she want to go about things vs being forced (which you don't want to say and put this spin them having to pay more because of not being a "forced" member).

Non-union employess sould not have the right to get any benefits the union gets the same way the union folks should not get the same benefits from what the individual employer individualy negotiation with his/her employee.

[assumption]

Accept the fact the the employee can determine how he/she wants to be represented if the situation of "canned" happens. He or she can choose to be part of the union when they are hired and they will take care of him for $30 a month (which is wishfull thinking if it is that low), use the State Attorney (free), him or herself (for free and have the right) or hire his or her own attorney (need to pay). As you still fail to realize it is still up to the INDIVIDUAL to determine how he or she want to go about things vs being forced (which you don't want to say and put this spin them having to pay more because of not being a "forced" member).

Non-union employess sould not have the right to get any benefits the union gets the same way the union folks should not get the same benefits from what the individual employer individualy negotiation with his/her employee.
Oh but I will say"forced" if you insist. And you have no right to talk down to anyone just because you don't agree with them. If its a union shop, and the person applying for a job doesn't care to pay the dues; guess what? Go elsewhere! Please tell us when was the last time there was a workforce split between union and non-union employees that had seperate negotiations? Lets say for the sake of discussion there was such a case. Which group got the better deal? We all know the answer. Lots of luck on that state attorney deal. That sir is a joke!
.

[wisdome]

Oh but I will say"forced" if you insist. And you have no right to talk down to anyone just because you don't agree with them. If its a union shop, and the person applying for a job doesn't care to pay the dues; guess what? Go elsewhere! Please tell us when was the last time there was a workforce split between union and non-union employees that had seperate negotiations? Lets say for the sake of discussion there was such a case. Which group got the better deal? We all know the answer. Lots of luck on that state attorney deal. That sir is a joke!
.

Forced to what...nobody is bein forced. Please explain that one because I'm really interested!

You are right they can go elewhere...but why do they have to be part of a union in that shop if they can do the job as well as you? They are not impeding your work or making it worse. It seems to me that you need numbers to defend yourself because you don't have the ability to defend yourself!

Kroger is one of them and my wife was one of the non-union members. During a union strike she still went to work because she still felt that what she had was better than what the union wanted. In the long run she did move up the chain faster by doing her own thing...no need for union in this case.

Ahhh...don't like the SA deal? Reason???? I will not speak for you. Will be waiting for your response!

[assumption]

Can't beleive you! Wisdom, kindly read your previous posts. Your the one who used the word"force"! You conservatives are so intent on being the last word you forget what you said previously. If in fact the story about your wife is factual;and after reading your posts there is some doubt; it comes as no surprise that she moved up. Company soldiers usually do, qualified or not. My opinion about the states attorney needs no explanation. Can you say inept?

[BGFalcons82]

more than anything this election is about your inabilty to offer Barry Soetoro enough respect to call him Barack Obama.

you created us, the democratic party of 2012. a few women here, a few gays there, a few hispanics tagging along with a whole bunch of african-americans, scientists, artists,students, musicians, teachers, nuns, and trade unionists--we exist because we continue to be under attack.

you drove us together.

note that most of the smart/creative people... are on our side. ted nuggent is no substitute for bob dylan.
So why did he change his name? Was it for...ahem...religious reasons? How many of the previous 43 presidents had 2 different names? Is he trying to hide something perhaps? Nah...that can't be...wait...hold on...where are his college transcipts and grades? Must be something with the Leftys. Slick Willie never offered up his medical records either. He just couldn't afford for Americans to see all of his STD trips to the doc, eh? :D

Regarding Dylan, yeah you are right that Ted isn't a substitute. Ted speaks clearly, has no drug history, and is a wizard with weaponry. This is a good skill to have in order to shoot down the drones watching over his property, don't ya think?

[buckeyedan]

note that most of the smart/creative people... are on our side. ted nuggent is no substitute for bob dylan.

LOL - if you are going to look at who supports what party these "creative" (hardly smart) folks in hollywood are hardly the standard bearers you want leading the way...

Hey Snookie is a democrate! lol

[fish82]

Mittens now up 3 in Wisky.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/wisconsin/election_2012_wisconsin_president

[bethere]

LOL - if you are going to look at who supports what party these "creative" (hardly smart) folks in hollywood are hardly the standard bearers you want leading the way...

Hey Snookie is a democrate! lol

who is snookie?

[docthehun]

who is snookie?

Squeeze one Kim Kardasian into a smaller package, add some obnoxious syrup and reduce cranial material over low heat. Add NJ accent before serving. :D

[bethere]

Squeeze one Kim Kardasian into a smaller package, add some obnoxious syrup and reduce cranial material over low heat. Add NJ accent before serving. :D

who is kim kardasian?

[bethere]

Mittens now up 3 in Wisky.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/wisconsin/election_2012_wisconsin_president

there are hundreds of polls in the market place but only one EVER gives you hope and that is rasmussen.

they are ALWAYS outliers until the last poll in the field before an election where they change their sample universe and get one time only accurate results--always different by wide margins from what they released all year and always too late for pre-election consumption.

in 2008 they accurately polled people on the internet who visit conservative sites.

of course that isn't the universe that showed up to vote.

last week they called me--a NEW methodology, yay--but they failed to ask me about party affiliation, education level, income level, or my gender...

those cross tabs are sure to be total baloney.

[fish82]

there are hundreds of polls in the market place but only one EVER gives you hope and that is rasmussen.

they are ALWAYS outliers until the last poll in the field before an election where they change their sample universe and get one time only accurate results--always different by wide margins from what they released all year and always too late for pre-election consumption.

in 2008 they accurately polled people on the internet who visit conservative sites.

of course that isn't the universe that showed up to vote.

I just posted what I thought was an interesting poll number.

No need to get all rattled.

[docthehun]

who is kim kardasian?

I've often asked that question myself! I'd ask, but suspect the question would confuse her.

[Homer Falcon]

there are hundreds of polls in the market place but only one EVER gives you hope and that is rasmussen.

they are ALWAYS outliers until the last poll in the field before an election where they change their sample universe and get one time only accurate results--always different by wide margins from what they released all year and always too late for pre-election consumption.

in 2008 they accurately polled people on the internet who visit conservative sites.

of course that isn't the universe that showed up to vote.

last week they called me--a NEW methodology, yay--but they failed to ask me about party affiliation, education level, income level, or my gender...

those cross tabs are sure to be total baloney.

Shooting the messenger isn't logical. You misrepresent their methodology.

Just sayin'.

[bethere]

I've often asked that question myself! I'd ask, but suspect the question would confuse her.

my conservative friends who rail against liberal popular culture are in fact bigger consumers of said culture than i ever was--and virtually all stars of said culture prove to be democrats because that is what creative people tend to be.

lol.

[fish82]

Shooting the messenger isn't logical. You misrepresent their methodology.

Just sayin'.

Actually, he's flat out lying about their methodology. After a while, you just get used to it.

[Homer Falcon]

Actually, he's flat out lying about their methodology. After a while, you just get used to it.

Those that know me would be shocked to see such politness coming from my camp. I am however running out of patience! ;)

[bethere]

Actually, he's flat out lying about their methodology. After a while, you just get used to it.

sure.


barry be kenyan.

barry hates xmas.

barry wants your guns.

barry wants a tax rate 50% lower than eisenhower's but ike is a hero and barry is a communist.

barry wants a tax rate 30% lower than nixon's, but the criminal nixon is a hero and barry is a communist.

barry wants a tax rate 20% lower than reagans, but reagan is a hero and barry is a communist.

barry wants a tax rate 10% lower than bush 1, but bush is a hero and barry is a communist.

barry institutes a discretionary spending freeze but somehow he is a spending nut.

barry is a socialist for putting into play your ideas on health care.



YOU GUYS LOVE TO LIE. IT'S A FACT. PLEASE MAKE A NOTE OF IT AND THEN TRY TO CHANGE. JESUS WOULD LIKE THAT.

*AMEN*

[bethere]

Those that know me would be shocked to see such politness coming from my camp. I am however running out of patience! ;)

in abandoning politeness you will seal doc's fate as a temporary democratic voter. remember that is how lancer became a democratic voter. and you will confirm everything i said about you in the past. you are on trial here more so than i.

how are you doing?



"he's a fish! throw him back."--jeff jordan.

[Homer Falcon]

how are you doing?

Swimmingly! :)

Btw--My actions have no bearing on Doc's fate. He's resolute in his own right. Don't flatter yourself.

[bethere]

Swimmingly! :)

Btw--My actions have no bearing on Doc's fate. He's resolute in his own right. Don't flatter yourself.

i didn't claim it had ANYTHING TO DO WITH ME.

you and your party? if you don't have real, constructive plans Doc will--for a time--abandon you.

[docthehun]

my conservative friends who rail against liberal popular culture are in fact bigger consumers of said culture than i ever was--and virtually all stars of said culture prove to be democrats because that is what creative people tend to be.

lol.

How true! My sister is an artist and she's a Democrat. She's also crazy....:D

[Homer Falcon]

i didn't claim it had ANYTHING TO DO WITH ME.

you and your party? if you don't have real, constructive plans Doc will--for a time--abandon you.

Perhaps you should at least meet him before predicting his will? ;)

[bethere]

How true! My sister is an artist and she's a Democrat. She's also crazy....:D

at least we must seem so.

you could have a museum of great american conservative artists in an old seven eleven and still have enough room left over to sell a complete line of pop and newspapers.

[Homer Falcon]

How true! My sister is an artist and she's a Democrat. She's also crazy....:D

No business sense...correct?

Is that a liberal attribute? :D

[docthehun]

i didn't claim it had ANYTHING TO DO WITH ME.

you and your party? if you don't have real, constructive plans Doc will--for a time--abandon you.

I take full responsibility. Time spent with Homer was well spent as I envision time spent with you would be as well. Since we've haven't met yet, I've been relegated to simply reading your posts, especially since we've all but eliminated those words which diminished my interest immensely. Well done lads! I'd have to say I made up my own mind and I can't think of a soul who might have had undo influence. No one can buy my vote.

I truly believe that my vote in November is in the best interest of virtually everyone here. Suffice it to say, for a little guy (quit snickering Homer) my skin is pretty damn tough and I'll survive any abuse heaped upon me. Only the hard things take guts.

[bethere]

Perhaps you should at least meet him before predicting his will? ;)

maybe i already have.

life is good. last week i got my new fishing license, waxed my car, got a haircut, and waterproofed the seams in my tent in preparation for a planned trip. i am looking forward to catching some rays, drinking some dark beer, and eating some fish.

i hope all is well on the home front for you.

peace.

[docthehun]

No business sense...correct? Understatement of the year!

Is that a liberal attribute? :D Not sure! :D

Sadly, she is indeed looney tunes. Nearly 20 years of anti-depressants, multiple husbands (and kids) and of course, me!

[bethere]

Not sure! :D

Sadly, she is indeed looney tunes. Nearly 20 years of anti-depressants, multiple husbands (and kids) and of course, me!

is she hot?

[docthehun]

is she hot?

Yea..........but so is Kim Kardasian! :D

[bethere]

Yea..........but so is Kim Kardasian! :D

tell her to call 1-800-bet-here and i'll treat her to a cheeseburger.

[Homer Falcon]

I take full responsibility. Time spent with Homer was well spent as I envision time spent with you would be as well. Since we've haven't met yet, I've been relegated to simply reading your posts, especially since we've all but eliminated those words which diminished my interest immensely. Well done lads! I'd have to say I made up my own mind and I can't think of a soul who might have had undo influence. No one can buy my vote.

I truly believe that my vote in November is in the best interest of virtually everyone here. Suffice it to say, for a little guy (quit snickering Homer) my skin is pretty damn tough and I'll survive any abuse heaped upon me. Only the hard things take guts.

I wasn't snickering...you stand tall in little boots! :D

Could bethere display the same moxey you did in my leading of the proverbial horse to water? Status--unknown. A lotic excursion seems most fitting. We shall see.

[docthehun]

tell her to call 1-800-bet-here and i'll treat her to a cheeseburger.

Give me your real number and I'll make sure she calls! LOL!!!! :D