Status of Herron, Posey still in doubt, sources say

[JJ]

http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/10/03/two-suspended-players.html

[hardingmavman]

you would think Hall would learn by now....

[SCVB]

boot them off the team Gene, why do you want those kids in the program?

[creeksider]

Their status needs to be....kicked off of the team. They did this one AFTER they were already suspended.

[K_H_S_86...]

Gene Smith needs to throw himself on the Sword and do TOSU a huge favor!!

[old_bobcat]

Just doing what Tressel taught em!!!!

[lawndude]

lady bird- we are waiting for your comments, on this one.

[chiefbucks1958]

They were working for this company....correct? Does the NCAA say how much they can make an hour ? Once again the NCAA (National Communists Against Athletes) strikes. Maybe they should have had Cecil Newton be their broker. So how much did they make, everybody who has been paid under the table for something raise your hand. All you who are lilly white and have never done anything like this injustice in your life step forward. I think we should suspend the entire team for the rest of the season.....before the NCAA comes up with the next PROBLEM they have found with OSU....maybe they cursed like the Notre Dame coach did...I'm sure that is at least a two game suspension. Yeah...lets all blame Tressel...bad bad Jimmy !!!!

[creeksider]

Whenever people are CAUGHT breaking rules, there is accountability for such......at least there should be.

[wingsfan72]

They were working for this company....correct? Does the NCAA say how much they can make an hour ? Once again the NCAA (National Communists Against Athletes) strikes. Maybe they should have had Cecil Newton be their broker. So how much did they make, everybody who has been paid under the table for something raise your hand. All you who are lilly white and have never done anything like this injustice in your life step forward. I think we should suspend the entire team for the rest of the season.....before the NCAA comes up with the next PROBLEM they have found with OSU....maybe they cursed like the Notre Dame coach did...I'm sure that is at least a two game suspension. Yeah...lets all blame Tressel...bad bad Jimmy !!!!
I am not sure if the NCAA tells them what they can make but the problem here was the probe uncovered the players taking money they did not earn by actually doing the work. The booster who they worked for was the same guy who gave the money to the players at the golf outing and has been banned from the program.

Sounds like Herron and Hall might be one game but Posey took over 700 so it might be more. In my opinion it is getting more difficult to keep saying this is an individual problem. Where was compliance with this? Smith also said he expects this to somewhat delay the NCAA ruling on their case.

[MPD]

boot them off the team Gene, why do you want those kids in the program?

Can't. TP ratted this story out to the NCAA. You boot these guys and they too rat out something they know to the NCAA and that will be what's called "lack of institutional control" which gets Smith fired. :D

[PHDigger]

I posted this a long time ago somewhere else. But exactly where is the line between following rules and not? Let me start by saying that I am among the many that feel they should be kicked out. Second chance, no good. Get out. We are not Thug U! With that being said, where is the line? Working a job for too much money? Or just working a job? Period! Did they get a tip for a job well done? I'm sure that's not the case but what if a football player works as a waiter and gets a large tip? What is he supposed to do? Let's go one step further. What if he applies for a job at burger king? He would probably get it for the simple fact that sales may go up. If anyone else applied for that job and didn't get it they could claim its because of the football spotlight. If that is the case, then its receiving benefits from football! LOIC?! Also, charging someone 5.99 for a combo meal and they give you 6 bucks and say keep the change? Receiving benefits! Far fletched I know but can someone please answer where the line is? Parties, hookers, payments to dad? That is all ok. But if a player from OSU so much as gets a job, a whole school is taken down? Of course some of how I feel goes back to what I said on the "next coach" thread. But mostly, I'd like to know what a kid in college can do and where the line is? There is no rules, no standards, no precedents, and is pushing the limits of constitutionality. And let me finish my rant by saying that I realize these athletes are getting a free education along with everything else. And I do agree that these guys need booted to make a real example. We are not in the SEC and are not from Florida. Time to start acting like it!

[hardingmavman]

I posted this a long time ago somewhere else. But exactly where is the line between following rules and not? Let me start by saying that I am among the many that feel they should be kicked out. Second chance, no good. Get out. We are not Thug U! With that being said, where is the line? Working a job for too much money? Or just working a job? Period! Did they get a tip for a job well done? I'm sure that's not the case but what if a football player works as a waiter and gets a large tip? What is he supposed to do? Let's go one step further. What if he applies for a job at burger king? He would probably get it for the simple fact that sales may go up. If anyone else applied for that job and didn't get it they could claim its because of the football spotlight. If that is the case, then its receiving benefits from football! LOIC?! Also, charging someone 5.99 for a combo meal and they give you 6 bucks and say keep the change? Receiving benefits! Far fletched I know but can someone please answer where the line is? Parties, hookers, payments to dad? That is all ok. But if a player from OSU so much as gets a job, a whole school is taken down? Of course some of how I feel goes back to what I said on the "next coach" thread. But mostly, I'd like to know what a kid in college can do and where the line is? There is no rules, no standards, no precedents, and is pushing the limits of constitutionality. And let me finish my rant by saying that I realize these athletes are getting a free education along with everything else. And I do agree that these guys need booted to make a real example. We are not in the SEC and are not from Florida. Time to start acting like it!

i totally agree with you and thought the same thing its getting to the point where it just seems the NCAA is targeting OSU for every little thing they do granted i believe the players that did the crime need to be kicked. once i can see two times no way..... but it amazes me we are getting bent over for petty stuff while schools like Miami get hookers, parties, and benefits and you give them a 1 game suspension REALLY! yet OSU has to pay back all the bowl game money they got in a game the NCAA cleared the players to play in for what ow thats right MONEY!(granted it was to easy our punishment) but still the NCAA i dont think have a clue what the hell they are thinking i think they just make it up as they go you tell me one player that hasnt taken money in a big name school and ill tell you your crazy its ok for the NCAA to make there money but heaven forbid a kid trys to make money working......

[PHDigger]

GGreat points. Excellent points! And it goes back to the tat 5! Someone sells memorabilia for something stupid like a tattoo? Ya dumb as can be. But guess what? I could try to sell my old high School basketball sneakers and nobody would care. But if TP would have done that, they are easily worth 500 bucks. So where does this end? Trading a gold pants key chain? Yes it disrespectful. But my God. Can someone tell me where it ends? I'm pretty sure this is called slavery. And by the way, I am in favor of keeping amateur sports amateur. But they (NCAA*) are pushing this to make a minor league. And I don't feel that is right.

[TeePee]

I'll say it -- the program is dirty. Ohio St is dirty. And I'm a fan. At some point, no matter how trival, you have to say enough is enough. These guys are told the rules repeatedly in meetings. They aren't unknown rules. The guys set out to make a buck based on their "celebrity" and got caught. Time after time, they break the rules and many want to forgive them. At some point, you are accountable. At some point , Ohio St owns its players sins as they are in fact supposed to be watching over them. After a few chances you kick them out. If you don't, you, Ohio St., are the problem. The NCAA should kick you in the butt, hard.

[PHDigger]

Ok so what are these rules? So everyone apparently knows these rules you speak of?? like getting a job? Or getting hookers? Or getting 180,000? So you are saying that the 180000 dollars is ok because because the player didn't know bout it? Or hookers are ok even though the player knew bout it?? How couldn't he? Yes I unpa we are a school that is better. And I like that. But can anyone show me how this is even possible? Follow the rules? Can anyone tell me what the rules are? You cannot get a job to support yourself, but it is ok if you get money straight from the school to play here. Maybe its time we just start paying players like everyone else does then. Who isn't doing it? I guess I'm just glad sonrobe got a job! Bet you will never see that in any college in Florida!

[PHDigger]

And PS,

All of you boosters that think you are doing good by paying our players, do us a favor. Quit paying our players and pay the people of the BCS. That is how you get ahead in this game. They let you in their club, and the recruits come. Ok I'm sorry, rant done. Enjoy...

[Columbus_Card]

I don't know how to respond to the latest news, but when will it all end.

[WGOU]

I'd throw throw Herron and Posey off the team. If they open their mouth, so be it. Smith is going to throw Fickel under the bus just like Tressel. If Smith is fired, oh well. Gene Smith needs to go.

[roll_red_roll]

unfrickinbelievable. kick posey off the team. i want gee and smith gone too. and while your at it, get rid of jim bollman.

[mhatc]

Ok so what are these rules? So everyone apparently knows these rules you speak of?? like getting a job? Or getting hookers? Or getting 180,000? So you are saying that the 180000 dollars is ok because because the player didn't know bout it? Or hookers are ok even though the player knew bout it?? How couldn't he? Yes I unpa we are a school that is better. And I like that. But can anyone show me how this is even possible? Follow the rules? Can anyone tell me what the rules are? You cannot get a job to support yourself, but it is ok if you get money straight from the school to play here. Maybe its time we just start paying players like everyone else does then. Who isn't doing it? I guess I'm just glad sonrobe got a job! Bet you will never see that in any college in Florida!

Everyone with a decent compliance director knows these rules. They hear them at the beginning of every preseason. They know you can't be paid for no-show jobs or overpaid compared to a non-student-athlete.

[jgord24]

Problem 1) Pryor ranted these guys out. He is is the sole reason this is even known about. Either way, they shouldn't have done it, but Pryor is the rat.

Problem 2)you kick these guys off the team, they start ratting people out and guess what Lack of Institutional Control is on the way. You get that you can forget about a bowl game for 2 years, 3 years worth of scholly reductions, probation and this program is set back 5-6 years. What you have seen on the field this year will be here for about 4 more years. You can forget hiring any big time coach, you can actually forget about hiring any mediocre coach either.

OSU may get lack of institutional control anyway so it may not matter, but OSU is just hoping that if they keep these guys around nobody else talks.

The main problem right now is that a ruling was supposed to come down here in the next couple of weeks, with all this new stuff coming out they aren't going to rule for probably another 6 weeks.

[jetsfan 2.0]

the reason why herron and posey are out is because the idiotic ncaa said they got paid to much for their summer job. the ncaa is getting to be a dictatorship. now they are regulating how much you can make. these guys need to shove it

[jgord24]

the reason why herron and posey are out is because the idiotic ncaa said they got paid to much for their summer job. the ncaa is getting to be a dictatorship. now they are regulating how much you can make. these guys need to shove itPosey worked 21 hours but got paid for 70+hours. Nobody is regulating how much they make, they just have to actually work for the money. It's really not that hard to figure out.

[TSG]

tOSU = DISASTER

[mhatc]

Players are not allowed to receive extra benefits. How is that idiotic?

[foultip]

Do you folks think there will be any extra tickets for the Bucks next home game with Wisconson?

[BradleyJaguars]

the reason why herron and posey are out is because the idiotic ncaa said they got paid to much for their summer job. the ncaa is getting to be a dictatorship. now they are regulating how much you can make. these guys need to shove it

Being paid more than a non-athlete would make at the same job has been against the rules as long as I can remember. Nothing new here, and nothing these players did not or should not know.

[sportster4321]

IMO the NCAA had it out for tosu for a while. What happened in Columbus with the scandals and tats happens at EVERY other major university in the united states. If you think other wise your lying to yourself. The only difference is... Ohio State got caught.

[foultip]

IMO the NCAA had it out for tosu for a while. What happened in Columbus with the scandals and tats happens at EVERY other major university in the united states. If you think other wise your lying to yourself. The only difference is... Ohio State got caught.

Captain cliche strikes again!

[MPD]

Wow, we have a lot of Huddlers that listen to Common Man and the Torg. :D

[Sports_Brain]

I think the best way to solve the problem would be to start with Gee and Smith and continue to work your way down the ladder through all players involved followed by wiping the slate clean of the coaching staff and then going to compliance and if necessary wiping that department clean along with anyone else involved until you have rooted out everyone that had anything to do with these situations. The players kicked off of the team might actually help by ratting everybody involved out and finally being able to wipe the slate clean and have a new fresh start in the coming years.

[Red Saul]

Some rumors out there now that are saying Herron and Posey may not play again this year.

[wingsfan72]

I am not sure about Herron but Posey received a little more than $700 and $120 in golf so that would be at least a few more games.

Here it is plain and simple. Pryor rated them out. As it's been said here before, if you kick these guys of the team they are going to rat people out as well. Another problem is Smith. He cares about nobody but himself and what it takes to further his career. The PR during this whole thing has been a joke with the lies and trying to blame everything on a coach, and a few players. He has know what has been going on the entire time and he just wants to keep his job.

It does not help either when you have the booster says in an interview he did not know what was going on but nothing would have happened if people just would have kept their mouths shut. This guy has been greasing palms of players for a long time. Finally like I have said here many times, it happens everywhere but you have to be smart and know what's happening and how much is going on before it gets out of control.

[wkfan]

Some rumors out there now that are saying Herron and Posey may not play again this year.

I would be for this.

Just let them go......

[creeksider]

Wow, we have a lot of Huddlers that listen to Common Man and the Torg. :D

It's the best show on radio...bar none. They will be kept on the team, but NOT allowed to play in games. If they choose to quit, it's on them. Who says they can't 'talk' AFTER they leave Ohio State?:rolleyes:

[midfield2011]

Man, it seems like a lot of work to prove that they made too much money washing trucks...phone records, bank statements, ATM withdrawls?

Imagine if these people put half as much time/effort into REAL criminal activity.

[BAR43]

I want to be mad at these guys and just say throw them off the team because I am so tired of the violations and this lingering cloud of mess. But this happens everywhere with almost every player.... OSU got caught and the flood gates are open. I just wish they would shut so we can be behind closed doors again like everyone else.

[tcsoup]

I would be for this.

Just let them go......I agree with you 110%.

[dorciepatrick]

So many of these comments indicate that it doesn't matter what OSU does, as long as they win on Saturday.
Many people across the state would like to think that OSU stands for "doing the right thing". All of these comments seem to indicate, though, that none of that is true.