Ursuline may miss playoffs

[Alphamale]

Not trying to piss off the Irish faithful but looking at the rest of the UHS schedule it is not a stretch to think 2-8 or 3-7 is very possible. Whatever does happen I still believe UHS is the best team in D5, I think this schedule is just too ambitious for any school this size even one the caliber of Ursuline.

[rodman99]

funniest thing i have heard today!

[POLAND ROCKS!]

Red Lion Academy is an incredible team. Just because Ursuline got beat by them doesn't mean they're out of the playoffs!

[Alphamale]

^^^Poland, have you looked at the next 9 games for them? I see 1 maybe 2 sure wins, about 3 more sure losses and the others could go either way.

[topcat]

You don't take on a schedule like that unless you know you have the players to do it.

[rmolin73]

They had 6 turnovers and two blocked punts, while they had over 500 yards of offense. They can get in at 5-5 or 6-4.

[Cat500]

With that schedule, they could get in with 4 wins if it was the right 4.

[tigers05]

I looked at it myself and I see Ursuline finishin 6-4 or 5-5 and still making playoffs and probably winning state.

[rmolin73]

Same here tigers05 it just seems as if some people are hoping that they don't.

[Poland Master8]

I really can't see Ursuline not making the playoffs there a very talented team and should be able to adapt it is evident they wont have a 10-0 season, but I see a 7-3 at least

[WGOU]

I'd like to see that happen, but I don't think so. Ursuline will get in the playoffs and beat every Division V team by 40 or more points.

[blood_de21]

8-2, or 7-3. I don't know much about the New Jersey school or Zanesville, but I will count them as wins. I say Mooney is a toss up, and I think they lose to Mentor. Mentor is a bad match up for Ursuline. The rest of the games they win.

[roll_red_roll]

Ursuline makes the playoffs, nobody comes close to them(with the exception of maybe another MAC team) and they win the title. Dumbest post in JJ history considering we're only one week in.

[dumpster]

Not to change subjects,,,,,,But is Stuebenville on Fitch's schedule next year?

[Gardens35]

Not to change subjects,,,,,,But is Stuebenville on Fitch's schedule next year?

That would be nice, hope that those JV get-togethers will translate to Varsity games as well.


A poster on another site said that Mooney&Fitch are playing one another next season.

[YTOWN]

8-2, or 7-3. I don't know much about the New Jersey school or Zanesville, but I will count them as wins. I say Mooney is a toss up, and I think they lose to Mentor. Mentor is a bad match up for Ursuline. The rest of the games they win.

So I guess that means that you think they are a lock to beat Lakewood St. Edward. I don't know.

Gardens,

As I understand it Mooney-Fitch play in week 10 next year.

[blood_de21]

So I guess that means that you think they are a lock to beat Lakewood St. Edward. I don't know.

Gardens,

As I understand it Mooney-Fitch play in week 10 next year.

I would not say a lock, to beat St.Ed. Just feel they will win that game at home. If it was at St. Ed, then I would see it more as a toss up.

[Gardens35]

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Gardens,

As I understand it Mooney-Fitch play in week 10 next year.


Thanks. That would be good!

[Gardens35]

I'm now out of this hijacking.

[punisha20]

The level I've seen some people take this 1 loss to has just stepped up a bit. Ursuline will be fine, its freakin week 1.

[Red Saul]

Was the QB on that team the one that gave USC a verbal when he was in 7th grade?

[OhioLaker24]

This is an idiotic post. Red Lion is a VERY good team. They would hang with most Ohio teams.

[Buck Blvd]

Ursuline could make the d5 playoffs with 3 wins.

[Poland Master8]

The level I've seen some people take this 1 loss to has just stepped up a bit. Ursuline will be fine, its freakin week 1.

EXACTLY

[BAR43]

There is perfect reason to question whether they will make the playoffs. They have a very tough schedule and you need to win games to make it to the post season. With that being said I love teams that make these kind of schedules. They are completely battle tested going into the playoffs. The problem is, there is little room for error. Yes, they may only have to win a few quality games, but those are never for sure wins. Its a gamble.

[Buck Blvd]

Was the QB on that team the one that gave USC a verbal when he was in 7th grade?

Yes thats the team. People will realize how good that team is when they travel to massilon later on in the year Urruline will be fine and will get into the playoffs.

[MahoningValley]

Not trying to piss off the Irish faithful but looking at the rest of the UHS schedule it is not a stretch to think 2-8 or 3-7 is very possible. Whatever does happen I still believe UHS is the best team in D5, I think this schedule is just too ambitious for any school this size even one the caliber of Ursuline.

That is the funniest post of all time!

[Alphamale]

^^Yea, its hilarious. So when UHS loses to Mentor and Lake and is 0-3 with Eds,Mooney,SVSM left to play post something then smarta**.

[Justaspecinoh]

Lol. I figured ursuline would eventually get what was coming to them but did not realize it would be this soon.

[Buck Blvd]

SVSM game hasn't been close in a long time Mooney and Ursuline both beat them by 20+ every game LOL..... Mooney game is a toss up as well as eds and mentor......

[MahoningValley]

^^Yea, its hilarious. So when UHS loses to Mentor and Lake and is 0-3 with Eds,Mooney,SVSM left to play post something then smarta**.

3 State titles in a row. Best LB core in OHIO. But yeah okay, i'll come back to this thread in December. But i'm sure you'll stop posting by then. You'll stop Friday. LOL Ursuline will not lose to Mentor or Lake. Eds, yes. Mooney, maybe. SVSM-NO. I think you are just one of the many many "haters" of what this program has done over the past 4 years. It's okay, there's always room on the bandwagon.

[MahoningValley]

Ursuline loses one game and people say they aren't making the playoffs.. WHERE ARE WE AT IN SOCIETY?!

[mlisi39]

They'll be fine... all it will take is 5 wins for them to get to week 11 anyway...

[vegas717]

Not trying to piss off the Irish faithful but looking at the rest of the UHS schedule it is not a stretch to think 2-8 or 3-7 is very possible. Whatever does happen I still believe UHS is the best team in D5, I think this schedule is just too ambitious for any school this size even one the caliber of Ursuline.

big irish fan but i do not ever remember a tougher line up than this year

[sportslink]

With all this being said. Whats more important to a school. Play an extremely hard regular season, maybe going .500 or better, and possibly missing the playoffs. Or playing a schedule where you know you'll go 10-0 and make the playoffs. And more than likely win state. Tough call for such a dominate small school

[sportslink]

Ursuline could make the d5 playoffs with 3 wins.

Wow 3 wins!!!! Is that even possible. Wonder whats the least amount of wins a team has had, and make the playoffs.

[YTOWN]

Wow 3 wins!!!! Is that even possible. Wonder whats the least amount of wins a team has had, and make the playoffs.

Walsh Jesuit qualified in D2 in 2001 with a 3-6 record. Youngstown Chaney beat them in the first round,

[BAR43]

big irish fan but i do not ever remember a tougher line up than this year

Hmm.. maybe DeSales in 2002: St Ignatius- prev year state champ, St. X- previous year state runner-up, Cin Moeller - div I powerhouse, Logan - previous year state semi, Worthington Kilborne, Westerville South, Watterson - ended up winning states, St. Charles, Covington Catholic - KY state champ, Ironton- div IV powerhouse, at least was back then. For a Div III school pretty tough, 7 div I, 1 div II, 1 div III, 1 div IV

[step_dragon]

BAR43....I think Vegas717 was referring to past URSULINE schedules. Geesh, everyone feels the need to be a smart@.. in this thread. Calm down people, it's HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL.

And the original poster CLEARY, I mean VERY CLEARLY wasn't bashing Ursuline with his post. Too many people feel the need to get defensive, as if it is an us-against -the-world mentality.

So he is praising the strength of Ursuline's schedule and suggesting that because of it's strength, it is not beyond the realm that they finish 3-7. (While acknowledging they may still win a state title) Shame on him for having an opinion!!!

[Buck Blvd]

When they win the state titles and they make the games look so easy is because they play such a tough schedule. They play tough in the beginning while other schools play easy then it gets flipped come playoff time you gotta admit its pretty smart.

[WGOU]

Ursuline wins state titles because they bring people in and other schools don't. One reason they have a tough schedule is that other teams won't play them. Most teams would like a fair game.

[vegas717]

BAR43....I think Vegas717 was referring to past URSULINE schedules. Geesh, everyone feels the need to be a smart@.. in this thread. Calm down people, it's HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL.

And the original poster CLEARY, I mean VERY CLEARLY wasn't bashing Ursuline with his post. Too many people feel the need to get defensive, as if it is an us-against -the-world mentality.

So he is praising the strength of Ursuline's schedule and suggesting that because of it's strength, it is not beyond the realm that they finish 3-7. (While acknowledging they may still win a state title) Shame on him for having an opinion!!!

again just sayin' it is a very strong schedule. I'd love to beat a few of these powerhouse D1 teams but in doing so who will schedule us next year? OSU, the Browns? We are victims of our success... Go Irish

[BAR43]

BAR43....I think Vegas717 was referring to past URSULINE schedules. Geesh, everyone feels the need to be a smart@.. in this thread. Calm down people, it's HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL.

And the original poster CLEARY, I mean VERY CLEARLY wasn't bashing Ursuline with his post. Too many people feel the need to get defensive, as if it is an us-against -the-world mentality.

So he is praising the strength of Ursuline's schedule and suggesting that because of it's strength, it is not beyond the realm that they finish 3-7. (While acknowledging they may still win a state title) Shame on him for having an opinion!!!

I was praising the schedule as well. I applaud teams that push themselves like this. This is why teams like Ursuline and DeSales can make playoffs with .500 season and make it to States while teams that play no one and go 9-1 lose first round.

However, at the end of the day the tough schedule approach is still a gamble... its great to battle test your team but you just have to hope ur team is ready for the challenge.

[devilone]

I think Ursuline will make the playoffs. The question that should worry Irish fans is if the team will be healthy after that brutal schedule. I applaud the attempt at taking on some of the best teams in the state but a few key injuries could make the best team in D5 a beatable team come playoffs.

[step_dragon]

I will agree with those who are saying that it isn't exactly Ursuline who is eager to boost the schedule. Maybe to a point, but a LOT of it has to do with the fact that the Irish have no choice but to schedule the big boys.

[MahoningValley]

Ursuline wins state titles because they bring people in and other schools don't. One reason they have a tough schedule is that other teams won't play them. Most teams would like a fair game.

Haha every "good" program in Ohio brings kids in. Ursulines reputation alone brings the talent in. Would you send your kid to east, when you can get financial aid and send him to Ursuline or Mooney? No you wouldn't, he'd go to Ursuline or mooney. Can't argue facts here. The fact of the matter is Ursuline will make the playoffs and make yet another run at state.

[USA70PP]

What some people overlook is that many teams count on level two points from the teams they beat during the season. That can be risky if those teams have some key injuries and don't do well win wise for the rest of their schedule. Not saying this will be the case for Ursuline, but something to think about.

[topcat]

Haha every "good" program in Ohio brings kids in. Ursulines reputation alone brings the talent in. Would you send your kid to east, when you can get financial aid and send him to Ursuline or Mooney? No you wouldn't, he'd go to Ursuline or mooney. Can't argue facts here. The fact of the matter is Ursuline will make the playoffs and make yet another run at state.

False. Every good program does not.

I was praising the schedule as well. I applaud teams that push themselves like this. This is why teams like Ursuline and DeSales can make playoffs with .500 season and make it to States while teams that play no one and go 9-1 lose first round.

However, at the end of the day the tough schedule approach is still a gamble... its great to battle test your team but you just have to hope ur team is ready for the challenge.

"Battle Tested" is a common misconception. The quality of a team is determined by the quality of talent on the roster. Some folks like to suggest that a tough schedule is a lot like working out; the more you do, the healthier you get. In fact, it's more like a war of attrition. The more you do, the more damage is inflicted and you wear down. Ursuline has a concentration of talent, but even they have depth concerns playing the type of schedule they do.

[BAR43]

False. Every good program does not.



"Battle Tested" is a common misconception. The quality of a team is determined by the quality of talent on the roster. Some folks like to suggest that a tough schedule is a lot like working out; the more you do, the healthier you get. In fact, it's more like a war of attrition. The more you do, the more damage is inflicted and you wear down. Ursuline has a concentration of talent, but even they have depth concerns playing the type of schedule they do.

You are completely wrong here. A strong schedule drastically helps in the post season. If you aren't battle tested in regular season how will you know how to perform or if you can in pressure situations in post season. This is a lot be for strength of schedule. Easy example is all the 8-2 and 9-1 teams whom play no one and lose first round. This is not to say u need to kill yourself, but u need strong competition. You need to play to the level of competition you need to beat in the playoffs. You are very mistaken about the strength of schedule concept. It is seen at all levels... you need to beat the best to be the best.

[Poland Master8]

Ursuline loses again, but I still call at least 7-3 and a state championship

[johnner11]

As much as I would like to see Coldwater or LCC win state, Ursuline will be fine.

Last year's D5 and D6 defending champs are both 0-2 and have played bigger schools (DSJ playing LCC [lost 21-14] and 11-time D1 state champ in Michigan Detroit Catholic Central [Lost 14-7]). I think these two teams are the best 0-2 teams in their respected divisions. Maybe even the best out of every team in their divisions. ;)

Good luck Irish

[EagleAce]

I am really looking forward to the game later this season where my St. Edward Eagles will play Ursuline. Both are very good teams and should be great game. I applaud a small school for having such a demanding schedule.

False. Every good program does not.



HAHA! Funniest thing I've read in a while! :D

Go ask Warren Harding how they got Mario Manningham! His Dad miraculously is hired to a teaching job the same year that he arrives as a freshman.

Or ask Glenville how they've been able to win the Cleveland Senate League the past 15 years! They raid the other Cleveland Public Schools of all their best players.

Every good program has their dark secrets! Public and Private. Open and Closed enrollment.

[Poland Master8]

Eagles Ace you are exactly right about programs and their dark secrets

[Saber1980]

The Lake Catholic game has become a very crucial one for the Irish. The Cougars are a young team but are off to a strong start. Let's see how the Irish bounce back. There are plenty of computer points available from Ursuline's future opponents. They just need to start chalking up one win at a time and not look ahead. They can't afford to with their schedule.

[o.a.b.]

Haha every "good" program in Ohio brings kids in. Ursulines reputation alone brings the talent in. Would you send your kid to east, when you can get financial aid and send him to Ursuline or Mooney? No you wouldn't, he'd go to Ursuline or mooney. Can't argue facts here. The fact of the matter is Ursuline will make the playoffs and make yet another run at state.

Aah---yes,the old " everybody else is doing it so it must be fair" ideology.I believe parochial schools should SET the standard rather than FOLLOW.If bringing kids in is what it takes to be a winner.........I often wonder how much pride kids can take looking at a full trophy case 20 years later yet not being able to tie a name to a face.It's schools like these that actually empower OHSAA [ much like the NCAA at the college level ].Fair play comes from the heart,not the rulebook.Anyone can bend rules and feel justified...because eventually it leads to more bending of rules till there are no rules...the exact opposite of what parochial education is intended to be.NOW,bring up the dead horse argument ..but before you do,refer to your own quote " Every good program brings em in" is ludicrous and demeans every school that truely understands the term "fair play"

[iced earth]

I am really looking forward to the game later this season where my St. Edward Eagles will play Ursuline. Both are very good teams and should be great game. I applaud a small school for having such a demanding schedule.




HAHA! Funniest thing I've read in a while! :D

Go ask Warren Harding how they got Mario Manningham! His Dad miraculously is hired to a teaching job the same year that he arrives as a freshman.

Or ask Glenville how they've been able to win the Cleveland Senate League the past 15 years! They raid the other Cleveland Public Schools of all their best players.

Every good program has their dark secrets! Public and Private. Open and Closed enrollment.



Those are fine D1 examples.....now, name some in DV

[topcat]

You are completely wrong here. A strong schedule drastically helps in the post season. If you aren't battle tested in regular season how will you know how to perform or if you can in pressure situations in post season. This is a lot be for strength of schedule. Easy example is all the 8-2 and 9-1 teams whom play no one and lose first round. This is not to say u need to kill yourself, but u need strong competition. You need to play to the level of competition you need to beat in the playoffs. You are very mistaken about the strength of schedule concept. It is seen at all levels... you need to beat the best to be the best.

You can throw around all the cliche's you want, it doesn't make it correct. To be the best, you simply have to "be" the best. Superior talent and superior coaching always wins, regardless of your opponent or who you've played. Again, if you are fighting a war of attrition, and you lose talent through the season, and you don't have the depth to compensate, then you will lose to lesser opponents because the playing field has been leveled. It's that simple.

[topcat]

I am really looking forward to the game later this season where my St. Edward Eagles will play Ursuline. Both are very good teams and should be great game. I applaud a small school for having such a demanding schedule.




HAHA! Funniest thing I've read in a while! :D

Go ask Warren Harding how they got Mario Manningham! His Dad miraculously is hired to a teaching job the same year that he arrives as a freshman.

Or ask Glenville how they've been able to win the Cleveland Senate League the past 15 years! They raid the other Cleveland Public Schools of all their best players.

Every good program has their dark secrets! Public and Private. Open and Closed enrollment.

How about the schools in the MAC? With the exception of DSJ, they have limited areas to draw talent from. What about Kenton? Valley View? Huron? Mogadore? Manchester? All schools with a history of winning and playing in the postseason. I could go on and on.

What I see is your reality shaped by geography. The practices of some schools in the locations you've used as examples certainly do raise some questions. But to suggest every quality program does it would be incorrect.

[BAR43]

You can throw around all the cliche's you want, it doesn't make it correct. To be the best, you simply have to "be" the best. Superior talent and superior coaching always wins, regardless of your opponent or who you've played. Again, if you are fighting a war of attrition, and you lose talent through the season, and you don't have the depth to compensate, then you will lose to lesser opponents because the playing field has been leveled. It's that simple.

You clearly know nothing about football or coaching. You cant coach to avoid injuries... that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. If you never face true competition and adversity in regular season you wont know what to do when it really counts. It is 100% tested that playing tough schedules puts you in championship gams.. you can not argue it... Look at all levels college, even the pros.

[topcat]

You clearly know nothing about football or coaching. You cant coach to avoid injuries... that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. If you never face true competition and adversity in regular season you wont know what to do when it really counts. It is 100% tested that playing tough schedules puts you in championship gams.. you can not argue it... Look at all levels college, even the pros.

You have no idea of what my qualifications are. Who said anything about coaching to avoid injuries? Injuries are part of the game and they are invevitable. That is why having superior talent--and lots of it--is so important. If you have talent superior to your opponents it does not matter what sort of competition or adversity you face. If your talent, coaching, and strategy is superior, then you will win. In most cases, superior talent is enough.

It is not 100% tested that playing tough schedules puts you in championship games. I can easily make and prove the argument against that. If you have superior talent to start with, then you win.

Using your logic, a losing D6 program with little talent and no depth should be able to compete more effectively within D6 if only they would schedule D1 programs with superior talent and numbers every week. That D6 program would not get better, it would get destroyed. By the end of the season they would not be in any position to compete with anyone. But, even that is an extreme. The same would hold true for programs of similar size. If a school does not have the talent to compete, no matter how many programs with superior talent it schedules, it won't get any more competitive.

[BAR43]

I can see your qualification from what you post, or lack there of. I am not saying that if you have no talent and play a tough schedule you will all of a sudden be good. If you have two teams that have equal talent and have one play a powder puff schedule and the other play a challenging one... which one do you think will fare better in the long run, as in playoffs?!? Why is it that the SEC wins the NCAA champ almost every year after making through all their tough conference games, arguably the most difficult conference in college football!? What about the PAcker and Steelers both having the top most difficult schedules in the NFL playing for the SB?!? Talent only gets you so far and I propose that strength of schedule is just as important as your practice habits and strategies to succeeding.

[topcat]

I can see your qualification from what you post, or lack there of.

You must have some amazing powers of analysis to be able to do that from a few posts.



I am not saying that if you have no talent and play a tough schedule you will all of a sudden be good.

Actually, that is basically what you said.



If you have two teams that have equal talent and have one play a powder puff schedule and the other play a challenging one... which one do you think will fare better in the long run, as in playoffs?!?

The one that has better coaching and a better gameplan. Strength of schedule has no bearing on how good your team is. Your team is as good as it is.



Why is it that the SEC wins the NCAA champ almost every year after making through all their tough conference games, arguably the most difficult conference in college football!?

Because a handful of SEC schools are able to effectively recruit talent laden football hotbeds to concentrate talent superior to that of the rest of the conference and the rest of the nation. And, it's arguably the same schools: Florida, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, and sometimes Georgia. Why aren't Vandy or Mississippi State getting any better? Using your logic, they should at least be getting more competitive within the SEC and crushing all of their out of conference opponents.


What about the PAcker and Steelers both having the top most difficult schedules in the NFL playing for the SB?!?

Because they had talent superior to the rest of the league, as well as superior coaching and gameplanning. Strength of schedule has no affect on those things.



Talent only gets you so far and I propose that strength of schedule is just as important as your practice habits and strategies to succeeding.

Talent gets you most of the way. All things being equal, teams with even fractionally better talent have an advantage. Being able to take a punch doesn't make you a winner; being able to deliver punch after punch after punch while avoiding getting hit cerainly will, though. However, I do agree with you on practice habits and strategies being vital links, as is coaching.

[BAR43]

Talent is probably not even half the battle to being a good team. If talent was the major indicator of winning then Glennville would be winning states every year. Discipline is way more important than talent as is work ethic and willingness to challenge yourself. The teams that take the easy way all season seldom... possibly never make it all the way because they never face true adversity and how to adapt to it. You are completely clueless and I hope you are not a coach... id feel bad for your mislead probably unsuccessful team.

[ladydi80943935]

i think that it is ridiculous to think that they will not make it, especially after only 2 weeks, when in fact no one is in the playoffs yet. however after looking at their remaining schedule, it could be tough, lots of tough games left. if they do make it, i too think that they will win the title, because no other d5 team will have played the schedule they have. the one thing to watch and see, is how will they come through this, will they be healthly enough to make a run or will they be all beat up. a schedule like that could take a toll on them physically.

[topcat]

Talent is probably not even half the battle to being a good team. If talent was the major indicator of winning then Glennville would be winning states every year. Discipline is way more important than talent as is work ethic and willingness to challenge yourself. The teams that take the easy way all season seldom... possibly never make it all the way because they never face true adversity and how to adapt to it. You are completely clueless and I hope you are not a coach... id feel bad for your mislead probably unsuccessful team.

I guess you missed what I had to say about coaching and strategy, which would take into account discipline. You call me clueless, yet you don't bother to read the whole post. Good job studying your opponent. You have fun being a tough guy worrying about strength of schedule. I'll just keep on winning.

[BAR43]

Right.... its easy to win when you have a powder puff schedule... enjoy your hollow victories as I enjoy championships.

[topcat]

Right.... its easy to win when you have a powder puff schedule... enjoy your hollow victories as I enjoy championships.

You, sir, are a worthy opponent. Neither of us will convince the other of anything, but we are both willing to stand toe to toe and bang heads. It's been fun, and hopefully entertaining for those who read our back and forth. I salute you.

[BAR43]

Agreed... to each his own!!

[Irishtimes]

any score for tonight

[sportster4321]

Lake Catholic 9 Ursuline 0

[Icbm]

Sooooo... Anynody kn)ow the score?

[Icbm]

Oh. 9-0 is the final? Thought that was half.

[simkon]

With the right wins a team could make the playoffs with only 2 or 3 wins, if those 2 or 3 wins come against teams that go 9-1. A team can easily make the playoffs at 4-6 if they beat teams with good records.

[lchsman]

3 State titles in a row. Best LB core in OHIO. But yeah okay, i'll come back to this thread in December. But i'm sure you'll stop posting by then. You'll stop Friday. LOL Ursuline will not lose to Mentor or Lake. Eds, yes. Mooney, maybe. SVSM-NO. I think you are just one of the many many "haters" of what this program has done over the past 4 years. It's okay, there's always room on the bandwagon.

Looks like you're the one that has stopped posting!

GO COUGARS!

[Alphamale]

Gee, when I started this thread 2 wks ago some posters thought it was the most idiotic unrealistic topic they had ever seen! Not one to say I told you so but look who is 0-3 with several tough games left, can UHS still get to week 11 at 3-7?

[blood_de21]

I will admit I have over estimated Ursuline. With the talent that they have, I thought 7-3. There must be some other problems going on, injuries? team unity? coaching?, I don't know. After last night, I have changed my mind, they are in trouble as far as making the playoffs.

[Devil head]

zanesville will definatly handle them self against ursuline

[Saber1980]

With an 0-3 start the players could fold. Now you will see what kind of coaching staff they have. Will they re-group and move on to the playoffs? Or, will they start doubting themselves? It will be interesting to see how this talented bunch is coached and utilized from here out. Howland started out a few years ago at 1 -3, with losses to Klein Texas, Hubbard, and Canfield and still made the playoffs in Division 2. Now it is time for the highly touted coach and staff to keep the team together. They can easily get into playoffs with 4 or 5 wins in my opinion.

[Buck Blvd]

4 wins they are in i see 3 wins in zanesville svsm and the team they finish out with but could sqeak one out against mooney

[Icbm]

I don't think the irish staff has any problems. When you are playing the best teams in the state and maybe the nation when you throw in week 1, week in and week out, especially after graduating nearly every starter on the team, its going to take time get e experience under fire. This week is a great opportunity for a win. Get the ship rited and go from there. It's still going to be a battle to make week 11. With no Mr. Ohio to hand off to makes play calling a little more challenging against this schedule.

[HubEagles1]

Also lost those 2 talented OL from Hubbard and the very athletic QB from Girard.

[3eb]

I presume you mean the two kids from St. Pat's and the son of the long time assistant coach?

You might ask their parents how valuable Ursuline was to their kids. If you dare...

[Buck Blvd]

What about Hubbard when in years past took 2 players from brookfield? One playing for Michigan State and the other who started lineback for 2 years? Not any names being mentioned but be real.

[MahoningValley]

^ Truth, know them personally.

[hrspeedmerchant]

What about Hubbard when in years past took 2 players from brookfield? One playing for Michigan State and the other who started lineback for 2 years? Not any names being mentioned but be real.

Hubbard "took" two players from Brookfield? What, somebody put a gun to their heads?

In this day of open enrollment it's high time people accept that a student has options when choosing a high school to attend. He or she can drive fifty miles or more if they wish. Who cares? It's a personal decision made by the student and the parents.

Nobody else has a say, so unless illegal recruiting is involved let it go.

[BAR43]

What is all the sense of entitlement. No community owns a kid, therefor no one can "take them away". Who cares who went where. The freedom of choice is a great thing, and shouldn't be held against the player or the school they go to.

[Buck Blvd]

Hubbard "took" two players from Brookfield? What, somebody put a gun to their heads?

In this day of open enrollment it's high time people accept that a student has options when choosing a high school to attend. He or she can drive fifty miles or more if they wish. Who cares? It's a personal decision made by the student and the parents.

Nobody else has a say, so unless illegal recruiting is involved let it go.

Okay well don't cry about it when kids choose ursuline over hubbard. Keep on getting good records going to the playoffs and get blown out.

[rocket08]

Also lost those 2 talented OL from Hubbard and the very athletic QB from Girard.

Did you forget about the running backs that you got from Ytown?

Don't open your mouth when you do the same thing

[mlisi39]

It happens everywhere... get over it...

[hrspeedmerchant]

Okay well don't cry about it when kids choose ursuline over hubbard. Keep on getting good records going to the playoffs and get blown out.

First, understand that I have no connection to Ursuline, Hubbard or Brookfield. My only complaint is when posters whine when a kid leaves their home district to attend school elsewhere. Who, or what, gives anyone the right to tell another parent where he MUST send his kid to school?

Freedom of choice, right?

[Buck Blvd]

Yeah but i was implying the fact that Hubbard posters are complaining about Ursuline getting hubbard players when hubbard does the same exact thing. Sorry if you took it any other way.

[bulldog]

First, understand that I have no connection to Ursuline, Hubbard or Brookfield. My only complaint is when posters whine when a kid leaves their home district to attend school elsewhere. Who, or what, gives anyone the right to tell another parent where he MUST send his kid to school?

Freedom of choice, right?

Not really something I generally like to get into, but for me, the freedom of choice is that you can move. If a family places a high value on a Catholic education and decides to go parochial, fine. Even if a kid chooses to open enroll from a "poor" to "excellent" district (as rated by Ohio DOE). We are being overly naive to say that those are the general reasons why a kid chooses to start at one school and finish at another. If someone were willing to do a study on why kids transfer high schools, (if answered honestly) I would venture a guess that 9/10 transferred for: playing time in said sport, disagreement with the coach, or the greatest fallacy of them all... More Exposure for college coaches.

I just hate the "free agency" attitude of some people, because it is something that these guys carry with them the rest of their lives.

[lets_go_devils]

HERE IS URSULINES REMAINING SCHEDULE

September 16 –at Zanesville, 7:30 p.m.
September 23 –Steubenville, 7 p.m.
September 30 –Lakewood St. Edward, 7 p.m.
October 8 –at St. Peter's (NJ) Prep School, 2 p.m.
October 14 –Cleveland East Tech, 7 p.m.
October 21 –at Cardinal Mooney, 7:30 p.m.
October 28 –Akron St. Vincent-St. Mary, 7 p.m.