Pickerington Central vs. Cincinnati Archbishop Moeller (@ University of Cincinnati)

[NewarkCatholicFan]

Watch here(Hope its ok to post this link)
http://www.ihigh.com

I was just getting ready to leave for cincy when I found out I could watch all four games from Nippert online.

With gas at what it is and the price of food at the stadium I opted to take the cheap way out.

[NewarkCatholicFan]

Is there a roster online somewhere for Central.

I found one for Moe.

http://storage1.ihigh.com/upload/docupload/index.php?download=12437&filename=2011+-+Moeller+High+School+Varsity+Football+Roster.pdf

[NewarkCatholicFan]

Here is a much better link to watch this one(live)
http://www.foxsportsohio.com/pages/prepzone_streaming_south

[tigera]

Both defenses look ahead of both offenses early on.

Ditto my plan NCF....saw this link a few days ago and figured it'd save some $$$$$$$.

[NewarkCatholicFan]

Flag fest so far.

[sportfan97]

Any more updates....I'm driving

[tigera]

still scoreless 2nd quarter.

[tigera]

First decent Tigers drive stalls at the 30. 7 minutes till half.

[NewarkCatholicFan]

Block Punt by Moe deep inside Tiger territory.

[NewarkCatholicFan]

Keith Watkins II, with a great one-handed catch and then he runs for the TD.

7-0, Moe, with 1:17 left in the half.

[tigera]

Ellis seemed to be pretty lax back to punt that ball. First big break goes Mo's way.

[Lou Dew]

Moe up 7 to 0 at the half. It looks like a lot of PC guys are hanging their heads. I hope they come out fired up for the 2nd half.

[dbarnian]

Moeller-14
PC-0

8:02 3rd

[NewarkCatholicFan]

Did the Tigers defense get the call to come out for the third quarter?
Moe made that look easy.

[tigera]

Tigers not looking good at all. They've gotta start passing the ball better to free the running game up. Thought they'd figured that out after the loss to Davidson in last years' regional final.

[NewarkCatholicFan]

Right now the Tigers offense is being owned by the Moe defense.
I am going to say the def must be tough because I have only heard good things about the Tigers Off.

[NewarkCatholicFan]

14-0 Moe wins.

Picktown never really came close to doing anything on offense.

[pickcamfan]

PC's defense looked decent but extremely tired at the end. And they should be tired. The offense was putrid. Play calling very suspect. Game plan was poor. Couple decent passes in the second half but Clegg has always been a good passer. Just had to kow-tow to the Hammonds of the world the last two years. PC should look pass first and run second. Sharrett is consistently out coached when he gets up against the elite of Ohio football. They will lose next week. I also see them losing against North and Lancaster. Playoffs are not in their future unless the offense changes.

[tigera]

I wonder why it is they have so many guys going both ways. Shouldn't be necessary w/more than 100 kids in the program.

Problem is now that PC may have to go unbeaten in their league to make the playoffs. St X next week many people have said is better than Moeller. I'm not sure if they lose another one if there will be enough points left in the league to get in at 6-3.

They lose to St X at the shoe next week and they would be 0-2 staring them in the face w/games @ Lancaster, w/Pick North & @ Gahanna in consecutive weeks (4,5&6), all of which look like very tough games after their big wins over Logan, Watterson & DeSales respectively last night. Not saying they can't do it, but they probably can't afford another loss at that point.

[galeron]

As I pointed out a couple of weeks ago Pickerington scheduling these first two games and than the usual bye week before Lancaster could come back to hurt the playoff chances. Lancaster did the same thing last year and scheduled St. Ignatius instead of their usual city league opponent. However that being said I still applaud Pickerington for having the onions to schedule these first two games. I look at the Dispatch and see some lame scheduling by other OCC schools.

[tigera]

As Ortiz in speed said "Man you ain't too smart, but you got some big, round, hairy kahones".

Kudos for the scheduling, but they may have bitten off a little more than they can chew.

[stallion66]

being an optimist. i watched a very good pc defense. this will be a playoff team who i still think has a very good chance to win the region who in central ohio would have won. probably no one. regardless of next weeks outcome with xavier, pc is picking up valuable experience and information about themselves. have seen many times where the loser of the 1st. game wins the second.do not be so quick to jump off this teams wagon..

[Octain34]

Pickerington had trouble with the speedy RB-QB combo without their top wide out.

[stallion66]

wanted to add. they will not be undefeated but will be a better team in week 10 for playing this schedule, what good is a undefeated regular regular and then get beat by 3 or 4 scores in state semi finals. central ohio division one teams should play in theese type games. had no horse in the race before this game but am now rooting for PC to win region 3.

[walt]

Everyone take a chill pill. The sun will come out tomorrow for the Tiger faithful. No one said (or should have said) it was going to be easy.

Sometimes you have to give the team on the other side credit. The single biggest difference in the game was NOT play calling or kids going both ways...it was Moe's defensive front 7. They were great. Their D-line had a great combination of size, speed, strength and talent. Those kids deserved a collective MVP award.

Everyone second guesses the losing coach's play calling. Its the easy thing to do, however, if you saw what was happening it was not the play calling. Central called a lot of passes (for those saying the need to open up) but Moe's d-line was getting a lot of pressure.

And I don't see the issue with two way players. It's not like Central has/had a lot of guys playing a lot of plays on both sides of the ball. Off the top of my head they had 19-20 guys rotating on defense and 20-21 rotating on offense. A few of the regular offensive players would get in here or there on defense and a couple regular defensive guys would get it here or there on offense. There weren't any (or many) kids seeing a lot of snaps on both sides of the ball the entire game.

Anyway...this one is in the books. Moe has a great team. Central will be back. It doesn't get any easier next week. Guess it's time to buckle down and get to work.

[walt]

Pickerington had trouble with the speedy RB-QB combo without their top wide out.

Trouble in that they gave up one scoring drive longer than 12 yards?

I think Central had trouble with Moe's defensive front 7. Moe's offensive skill guys are good, but their defensive front 7 were the difference in this game.

[Octain34]

Trouble in that they gave up one scoring drive longer than 12 yards?

I think Central had trouble with Moe's defensive front 7. Moe's offensive skill guys are good, but their defensive front 7 were the difference in this game.

poor tackling and not getting the ball to your play makers in space played a part in it to.

[picktowncentral]

Very disappointed in the offensive effort as a whole. I felt like we had at least as good athletes as the Crusaders. It was a combination of bad game planning, play calling, and execution. It's the same old story for the Tigers. If they make the playoffs, they'll go up against a team similar to them with a better coach (offensively). Also, everyone looked tired and out of it. Shouldn't summer be filled with conditioning? Hopefully it was a collective unit of cramping because of dehydration, instead of lack of conditioning. After seeing both North and Central in consecutive days, the Tigers no longer have the better football team. Hopefully it was a major wake up call.

[watwor]

I thought Picks Defense played well, a blocked punt and a great catch put Moe in shape to score. Why some of the starters were not playing defense on the opening drive the second half I didn't understand. Hats off to Moeller's offense. Pick has to score, missing receivers wide open, no timing on pass patterns, and a defensive line that was giving Picks O-line troubles. The quick play, hurry up offense for Pick was working. I really dont think there is a need for the Pick faithful to panic. I still think that Pick Central has a great staff, great athletes. Congrats goe's out to #45 Kincaid on Pick Centrals for Defensive Player of the game. I love watching that kid play linebacker, would love to have him back on Watkins Rd. as well.

[tigera]

I agree on the Defense. Thought that they played outstanding today. I'm almost willing to bet nobody on Moeller's regular season schedule will be able to hold them to 14 points.

I think everyone who watched/saw the game will agree it was all problems w/offensive side of the ball and penalties & big mistakes in matchups with quality oposition as has been the problem these last few years. Hopefully the Tigers can rebound, get it together and take down St.X in the shoe next weekend.

[b802818]

Very disappointed in the offensive effort as a whole. I felt like we had at least as good athletes as the Crusaders. It was a combination of bad game planning, play calling, and execution. It's the same old story for the Tigers. If they make the playoffs, they'll go up against a team similar to them with a better coach (offensively). Also, everyone looked tired and out of it. Shouldn't summer be filled with conditioning? Hopefully it was a collective unit of cramping because of dehydration, instead of lack of conditioning. After seeing both North and Central in consecutive days, the Tigers no longer have the better football team. Hopefully it was a major wake up call.

I think everyone agrees that the offense was not good today. Unfortunately, it does seem to be the pattern for the Tigers when they play competition with same level of athletes the Tigers always posess. The defense always shows and looked very good today as well. You can say they really only gave up one drive and 7 points. Spotting the ball inside your own 10 for anyone is tough to stop(blocked punt). I did see the Tigers a little gassed as you mentioned. Don't know what to attribute that to. They are always in great shape. Last but not least. I am a North parent and a PHS(now Central) alumni. Don't hand over the Tigers town crown until the Panthers beat them. The Panthers are tremendously improved this year and luckily we will get to play each other to settle who is the better team.

[picktown28]

Does anyone know the last time the Tigers went scoreless?

[knight43210]

I thought Picks Defense played well, a blocked punt and a great catch put Moe in shape to score. Why some of the starters were not playing defense on the opening drive the second half I didn't understand. Hats off to Moeller's offense. Pick has to score, missing receivers wide open, no timing on pass patterns, and a defensive line that was giving Picks O-line troubles. The quick play, hurry up offense for Pick was working. I really dont think there is a need for the Pick faithful to panic. I still think that Pick Central has a great staff, great athletes. Congrats goe's out to #45 Kincaid on Pick Centrals for Defensive Player of the game. I love watching that kid play linebacker, would love to have him back on Watkins Rd. as well.

What game were you watching watwor? Missing receivers wide open and timing on pass plays? Our passing game was the only bright spot on our offense. When you have your WR's playing both ways, you're going to have timing issues due to shear fatigue. There were only two deep route passes thrown the entire game. An obvious injury hampered the first receiver and the second was from shear fatigue. And when you're running for your life you're going to have that occational receiver you don't see unless you're standing in the upper deck.

[watwor]

knight,
I think we watched the same game based on what you posted. Fatigue for the missed patterns and timing, Pressure from Moe's defense causing some scrambling and missed throws. I did think the hurry up was effective, and don't know why Pick got away from that. Understand, I not throwing rocks, just what I observed. I think I also posted that Pick will be fine with great staff and great athletes. By the way I wasn't standing in the upper deck, but I was sitting in the shade.

[Webko]

I actually liked the Tigers' efforts in first half. Overall, I thought Moe could have scored 28 points to a Tigers' 7. So, some points were left off the scoreboard.
Moe's QB was a man amongst boys. Super athlete. If he stays healthy Moe will go far.
I was disappointed in our QB. He looked so uncomfortable, and really probably due to some of the pressure in the second half. But he never really found the rhythm of the game and often ran into the pressure of a collapsing pocket.
Tigers' had no running game or special teams push.
I stayed the day to watch X play. X is much more disciplined and faster than Moe. X was not as big up up front but had some very strong DE's which will cause some headaches
I do think Moe and X are a level up on the Tigers. Tough to swallow when you are also out coached.
Moe's Dline was awesome and should get the game ball.
How about the sick catch from #80? Wow, some serious skills there.
There's always next week. Then there is X next week. Yikes.....

[hardingmavman]

I agree on the Defense. Thought that they played outstanding today. I'm almost willing to bet nobody on Moeller's regular season schedule will be able to hold them to 14 points.

I think everyone who watched/saw the game will agree it was all problems w/offensive side of the ball and penalties & big mistakes in matchups with quality oposition as has been the problem these last few years. Hopefully the Tigers can rebound, get it together and take down St.X in the shoe next weekend.

i have to agree here not many ppl hold Moeller to 14 points why is everyone going crazy it was only a 14-0 game lol

[kang99]

Now that I've had some time to think about the game, I have some thoughts. I've been told by more the one person that I'm not a football know-it-all, but here goes anyway.

In the years that I've watched Central games, I've observed two problems with the offense. The first is philosophical. The Tigers always try to beat a defense using their strength instead of exploiting defensive weaknesses. Central thinks that its strength is running the ball. It didn't matter that run defense was Davidson's strength in the playoffs last year, or that Moeller had a front seven that our line couldn't move today. They were going to run the ball down the defenses' throats. Forget the fact that Davidson was vunerable to the pass, and our best drives today came through the air against what I considered average DBs. Central is going to establish the run first.

Against better teams, if PC tried to establish the pass first by spreading them out and hitting them with short passes, they could've gotten their playmakers the ball with space to do something. They showed that in flashes and it worked in both of the games I just mentioned.

Also, I always thought that the way to open up running lanes on a great run defense was by forcing them to chase the ball, not allowing them to stay in place by ramming it at them. That way, you tire big d-linemen out, and they can be run on later. Moeller did that by throwing quick passes before the rush got to the quarterback. I couldn't count how many times we ran on first down and then, on second and third and long, expected the defense to respect slow play action fakes as we tried to pass. The quarterback turns his back to the defense, and then tries to turn and find his receivers. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

The second problem is strategic. If you feel that you have to use some of your best players both ways (Lewis, Smith, Eakins, Boren), why wouldn't you be most aggressive at the beginning of the game when those players are fresh? Why didn't Central go deep with Lewis early? Why not run Smith up the seam from the TE position? Why not throw the ball to Eakins more in the flat or on screens? I saw them throw to Pennick in the flat once, and he gained some good yardage. I don't remember them doing it again. I watched Central wait until late in the second half before they tried to go long to Lewis, and he didn't appear to have the legs to run the ball down. Smith had no legs when caught that screen pass. If the play calling had been more aggressive early, who knows what those players could've done?

You know what they say. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is insanity. I think Central has a good staff, but something clearly isn't working in the big games against big-time competition. They have another big one coming up next week, and I'd love to see Central shut some people up who are laughing at them today (yes laughing). That's my five dollars and two cents worth.

[kang99]

Man, I apologize for writing a book about the game today.

[psycho43142]

Does anyone know the last time the Tigers went scoreless?

After watching X tonight I wonder when the last time they went scoreless in consecutive games?

[Walking Boss]

i have to agree here not many ppl hold Moeller to 14 points why is everyone going crazy it was only a 14-0 game lol

According to Joe Eitel, they were held under 14 points twice in '10, twice in '09, and three times in '08. I didn't go back any further than that because I noticed a pattern developing.

The larger point is, that Central didn't go into this season with the goal of "holding so-and-so" to "fewer than X points" and finding moral victories in defeat. This wasn't a David vs. Goliath type contest where such rationalization is expected or really acceptable. These guys were similarly situated in the Rivals top 100. They've done extremely well in these sort of matchups in the past, so they have nothing to be ashamed of in the larger contest. However, given the number of DI players on the roster and the expectations they have set for themselves, some soul searching and head scratching is to be expected. I would be disappointed if there wasn't this sort of reaction personally.

[Webko]

Another thought I had was scrimmaging against so-so teams to prepare. Moe went against Colerain in their scrimmage. (Just a thought for preparing against a tough schedule.)

Our linemen need to blow off the ball next week to combat against X's fast and srong linemen.
It will be interesting. I think we will see a different Tiger team next week. One that is more desperate and determined.
I did like Sharrett's call for the fake punt. I know it didn't work but it was gutsy and would have changed the tempo of the game if it had worked.

[Walking Boss]

Another thought I had was scrimmaging against so-so teams to prepare. Moe went against Colerain in their scrimmage. (Just a thought for preparing against a tough schedule.)

Webbie: That is an excellent point. You have to wonder what good it did to play depleted teams like Jerome and Kilbourne and score every other play on offense. To me, there is very little upside and the downside (over confidence) is immense.

Although, in fairness, they did have Coffman on the scrimmage schedule before Coffman bailed. Coming out of the '06 to '09 time period when Coffman was very strong, a home-and-home dual with Coffman in '10 - 11 probably seemed a lot more challenging.

[knight43210]

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/pages/prepzone_streaming_south


http://preps.cincinnati.com/Football/Boxscore/112218

[walt]

Another thought I had was scrimmaging against so-so teams to prepare. Moe went against Colerain in their scrimmage. (Just a thought for preparing against a tough schedule.)



Webbie: That is an excellent point. You have to wonder what good it did to play depleted teams like Jerome and Kilbourne and score every other play on offense. To me, there is very little upside and the downside (over confidence) is immense.

Although, in fairness, they did have Coffman on the scrimmage schedule before Coffman bailed. Coming out of the '06 to '09 time period when Coffman was very strong, a home-and-home dual with Coffman in '10 - 11 probably seemed a lot more challenging.

I see both sides of this. On one hand we've been going to the Jerome 4 way for several years in a row now. It's kind of become a fixture on our pre-season schedule. It's nice to get different looks from multiple teams. Also, this year it was good in the sense that we are/were breaking in several new players on offense and it was a chance to ease them into things and build confidence.

On the other hand it certainly didn't give you any kind of realistic look for what we saw yesterday. None of those teams had anywhere close to the size, speed, and talent on defense that Moeller had. Central literally scored just about every third play in that first 4 way scrimmage.

So are those teams' defenses that bad, or Moeller that good? Probably a little of both.

I will say that after Coffman bailed on us we were talking to Massillon Washington. We nearly had a deal to go to Massillon worked out, then they went a different direction with a team closer to home. Luckily for us Dover stepped up. Dover's defense wasn't bad and we had to work a lot harder than we did in the first scrimmage, but they didn't have nearly the size in the front 7 that Moeller did.

[kang99]

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/pages/prepzone_streaming_south


http://preps.cincinnati.com/Football/Boxscore/112218

Thanks Knight for posting the stats. Stats don't tell it all, but hopefully it will give people a better little perspective on the game. If the right adjustments are made, I think Central will be fine.

[pc_tigers]

After seeing both North and Central in consecutive days, the Tigers no longer have the better football team. Hopefully it was a major wake up call.

Seriously .... You have NO clue ...... Moeller a D1 (2nd or 3rd best team in Ohio) and North playing a DIII school that is rebuilding ... give me a break...!!!!

Pick North shy's away from playing the upper echelon teams ... so when they do ...... let me know ... They got out of the game with Mooney.. their reasoning budget ... cost the $2000 to cancel the contract ... wonder how much transportation would have cost .... hmmmm around $2000 ....

[galeron]

Very good points PC Tigers. Anyone with any intelligence knows there is a huge difference in Moeller and Watterson. Especially a rebuilding Watterson team. Trust me, when I tell you that Pickerington Central is still the team to beat in the OCC and especially in Pickerington. Remember if you want to be the man you have to beat the man.

[picktowncentral]

Seriously .... You have NO clue ...... Moeller a D1 (2nd or 3rd best team in Ohio) and North playing a DIII school that is rebuilding ... give me a break...!!!!

Pick North shy's away from playing the upper echelon teams ... so when they do ...... let me know ... They got out of the game with Mooney.. their reasoning budget ... cost the $2000 to cancel the contract ... wonder how much transportation would have cost .... hmmmm around $2000 ....

Take a chill pill! Did you even see North play on Friday? I was there and saw them. I also made the trip to Cincinnati. Had the 2 teams played this weekend it would have been very close. I'm not saying it's clear cut, but on this weekend North was the better team. Watterson, defending D3 state champ, is by NO means a pushover. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you travel you don't get a portion of the gate. It may have cost 2K to get out of the deal, but how much $$$ did North make from having an extra home game? I'm betting more than breaking even like you claim. Oh, Moeller @ Nippert with a big D-line. How's that for Clue, wise guy.

[Walking Boss]

If it truly cost them only $2000 to cancel, it was an absolutely brilliant move financially. Gate + concessions + travel cost savings minus $2000 = A LOT OF MONEY.

[b802818]

If it truly cost them only $2000 to cancel, it was an absolutely brilliant move financially. Gate + concessions + travel cost savings minus $2000 = A LOT OF MONEY.

Actually it was only $1000.

[coke72]

Webbie: That is an excellent point. You have to wonder what good it did to play depleted teams like Jerome and Kilbourne and score every other play on offense. To me, there is very little upside and the downside (over confidence) is immense.

Although, in fairness, they did have Coffman on the scrimmage schedule before Coffman bailed. Coming out of the '06 to '09 time period when Coffman was very strong, a home-and-home dual with Coffman in '10 - 11 probably seemed a lot more challenging.

Like Walt noted, initially Central had arrangements to go to Massillon Washington but MW changed their plans. Dover had an opening and agreed to come down. Looks like it may have helped Dover, they rolled in week 1.

I think it comes down to how far are you willing to go to for a Scrimmage. It would be good to scrimmage a Cincy, Toledo or Cleveland area team, but how much are you willing to pay to travel there. But I agree the competition level in the scrimmages may have an impact on the preparation for the game Saturday. I guess this will be a moot point until after this season.

Take a chill pill! Did you even see North play on Friday? I was there and saw them. I also made the trip to Cincinnati. Had the 2 teams played this weekend it would have been very close. I'm not saying it's clear cut, but on this weekend North was the better team. Watterson, defending D3 state champ, is by NO means a pushover. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you travel you don't get a portion of the gate. It may have cost 2K to get out of the deal, but how much $$$ did North make from having an extra home game? I'm betting more than breaking even like you claim. Oh, Moeller @ Nippert with a big D-line. How's that for Clue, wise guy.

The point is they didn't play this weekend so we will never know. The only reality is that North got a W and the Tigers are going back to work to get their first win.

In regard to Watterson, I went to their last scrimmage as my nephew is on the squad. No doubt they played hard and yes they are the defending D3 State Champs. After watching Watty scrimmage another D3 school, combined with what little I knew of Norths returning squad, I figured it would go about as it did. You can see my posts on the North vs Watty thread. You are entitled to your opinion.

Right now, the Tigers need to come away from Saturday with a lunch pail attitude and resolve to fix what needs fixin'. I am confident that it can be fixed.

Time for the Seniors to step up and be leaders. Lead in Effort, Lead in Resolve, Lead in Commitment and Lead by Example. The end of the game Saturday is a Gut Check.

Bring on X, Let's Go Tigers!!!

[pc_tigers]

Take a chill pill! Did you even see North play on Friday? I was there and saw them. I also made the trip to Cincinnati. Had the 2 teams played this weekend it would have been very close. I'm not saying it's clear cut, but on this weekend North was the better team. Watterson, defending D3 state champ, is by NO means a pushover. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you travel you don't get a portion of the gate. It may have cost 2K to get out of the deal, but how much $$$ did North make from having an extra home game? I'm betting more than breaking even like you claim. Oh, Moeller @ Nippert with a big D-line. How's that for Clue, wise guy.

Wise Guy ... I am not ... You are comparing apples to oranges .... just stating facts ... Let me know when Pick North starts to schedule the upper echelon teams... then we will talk ...

[Webko]

There was a single "good thing" that came from this game. The Tigers really didn't have an onslought of penalities. I thought they had a couple of penalties at some bad times, but penalties didn't lose the game.

I did think the O'line really did a good job in the first half on pass blocking. I didn't like the second half efforts all around. In the past the Tigers come out loaded for bear and I didn't see that this game.
Moe made the better adjustments in the second half. Offensively, Moe came out and took it in the endzone and deflated the Tigers. The Tiger offense just didn't fire on all cylinders at any time. Moe's dline in the second half went to town. Wilson and Boren had their hand's full the entire game.

I was not impressed with our return teams either. PC usually has a big return that gets momentum moving.

I really believe that this does not collapse the Tigers. I think we will see a different Tiger team this week. One that is more determined.

[b802818]

Wise Guy ... I am not ... You are comparing apples to oranges .... just stating facts ... Let me know when Pick North starts to schedule the upper echelon teams... then we will talk ...

Why all the North bashing PC? This is one of your own fans making these statements! As far as North's scheduling goes, I think your a little off base. Cardinal Mooney and Watterson are not "lower echelon" opponents. They may be lower division but are still state championship programs and would make the playoffs in D1 almost every year. Pick Central has had tremendous success in the past few years. As a result they have received numerous invitations to these preseason showcase series(Herbie etc). These invitations come with paid busing and hotel accomodations. I hardly think Central would be traveling all over if these offers were not on the table. Having said that they are well deserved based on the programs recent success.

[Webko]

Take a chill pill! Did you even see North play on Friday? I was there and saw them. I also made the trip to Cincinnati. Had the 2 teams played this weekend it would have been very close. I'm not saying it's clear cut, but on this weekend North was the better team. Watterson, defending D3 state champ, is by NO means a pushover. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you travel you don't get a portion of the gate. It may have cost 2K to get out of the deal, but how much $$$ did North make from having an extra home game? I'm betting more than breaking even like you claim. Oh, Moeller @ Nippert with a big D-line. How's that for Clue, wise guy.

I had watched the PN game on Friday. I don't think PN would had beat PC or will beat PC. (Don't get me wrong in a rival game anything goes. It's not impossible but really unlikely.) I don't think Watterson was as good as expected. But I don't mean to take away from PN's "W" either. PN should be a solid team this year with potential. North was not clearly the better team. Definitely apples and oranges.

[picktowncentral]

It may be apples to oranges, but that's the discussion, right? For sure there are too many 'ifs' to truly compare after 1 game, but that's part of the fun! I didn't mean to slight my Tigers in any way, and I don't believe I have. I was stating that North played the better game, and Central better be looking out. I thought Watterson had good size up front for a small school, and North did a great job of dealing with it, where Moeller had great size up front and Central could not deal with it. Again, apples and oranges, but comparisons can and will be made.

[Smilewhenulose]

As your Vice-President of the United States... I've "Bidened" my time on this topic of discussion for some time! Allow me to give my assessment of Saturday's contest. 1) Moeller deserves credit for playing a sound game and making the most of their opportunities. 2) Central can ill afford to have mental mistake type penalties against very good teams. 3) Central players trying to make BIG hits instead of wrapping up to tackle cost them yards.

I'll be the first to say that I am very, very stubborn to any type of CHANGE (until Barack and I got into the White House..... of course) because of my competitiveness but like any Great Leader - the problem is not when a person or team loses, but "refusing" to LEARN from a loss can become counter-productive and damaging! The bright side of this argument is that it is only WEEK 1 of a long football season.... St. Xavier is another Top Program and so there is NO BETTER way than to challenge yourself with the notion that NO Analyst nor person believe that the Tigers have a shot of winning this upcoming week's contest.... the best remedy for a loss is a WIN against a very good team!!!

Soooooooo Pick Central, as Co-Leader of this great nation, I implore you to heed my words........ those are my bull chips and I'm sticking to em! (Secret Service Member) SS - "Psst! Umm sir...." J.B. - "Yes." SS - "You may wanna change your reference of bull chips!" J.B. - Why?! SS - "Because its normally referred to as dung." J.B. - Well I've done this before...." SS - "Not done.... DUNG!" J.B. - "What is that?! SS - "That would be Sh*t Mr. Vice-President!" "Sir...." J.B. "No comment...........GO Tigers!!!

[coke72]

There was a single "good thing" that came from this game. The Tigers really didn't have an onslought of penalities. I thought they had a couple of penalties at some bad times, but penalties didn't lose the game.

I did think the O'line really did a good job in the first half on pass blocking. I didn't like the second half efforts all around. In the past the Tigers come out loaded for bear and I didn't see that this game.
.......... Moe's dline in the second half went to town. Wilson and Boren had their hand's full the entire game.

I was not impressed with our return teams either. PC usually has a big return that gets momentum moving.

I really believe that this does not collapse the Tigers. I think we will see a different Tiger team this week. One that is more determined.

Having gone back and watched the online video, I would agree on the penalty comments. No back breakers or 'stupid' penalties. Some which could be avoided, like a illegal shift, but nothing major. good to see.

Moe was definitely the biggest team we have faced in recent years. In my mind only Elder in 2008 State Semi was close. Certainly can't practice against that size and we didn't see it in our scrimmages. Hoping the experience makes the O line more tenacious and determined. Little breakdowns here and there made for disruptions to plays which made it seem glaring. I saw each of the lineman execute well in addition to the occasional mistake. I think this will be shored up.

Moeller had a great kicker/punter. The KOR was negated because the ball was in the end zone. Granted we didn't get the big return but IMHO, they made something out of nothing on occasion as Moeller covered kicks well. We do have to field it versus letting the ball hit though. Another thing to keep in mind, Moeller had fresh legs on the field for each kick cover team. Maybe 1 player stayed on the field. That can make a difference as well. Especially in the middle of the day.

All,
Please keep #24, Senior Ty Clouse and the Clouse family in your thoughts and prayers as they learn the extent of his injury. He went down with a knee injury while covering a punt with 2:30 to go in the game. Throughout the game he was one of the first guys down the field in coverage. If you recall, their oldest went down with a knee injury in the first game of his Sr year at the Shoe in 2009. Zach also wore #24.

Amidst all the chaos, lets not forget to think about Ty and his family.

Thanks
Go Tigers!!

[Smilewhenulose]

Please keep #24, Senior Ty Clouse and the Clouse family in your thoughts and prayers as they learn the extent of his injury. He went down with a knee injury while covering a punt with 2:30 to go in the game......
Thanks
Go Tigers!! Pepsi,

I agree with your sentiments. May Ty get better and may GOD bless him and his family through this difficult situation!!! Trust me.... potentially losing a ball player with an injury, puts things in their proper perspective...

GO TY CLOUSE & Go Tigers!!!

[cthelites]

Seriously .... You have NO clue ...... Moeller a D1 (2nd or 3rd best team in Ohio) and North playing a DIII school that is rebuilding ... give me a break...!!!!

Pick North shy's away from playing the upper echelon teams ... so when they do ...... let me know ... They got out of the game with Mooney.. their reasoning budget ... cost the $2000 to cancel the contract ... wonder how much transportation would have cost .... hmmmm around $2000 ....


Are we certain of that?
Every yr I here this the yr of the Moe blah blah blah!
Every yr they get whacked in the first round of the playoffs.
Granted they are in the juggernaut R4 so not many teams have great success there.
Im not saying Moe may not get there either, but lets not put the cart before the horse with them.

[b802818]

[QUOTE=coke72;5142866]

All,
Please keep #24, Senior Ty Clouse and the Clouse family in your thoughts and prayers as they learn the extent of his injury. He went down with a knee injury while covering a punt with 2:30 to go in the game. Throughout the game he was one of the first guys down the field in coverage. If you recall, their oldest went down with a knee injury in the first game of his Sr year at the Shoe in 2009. Zach also wore #24.

Amidst all the chaos, lets not forget to think about Ty and his family.

Thanks
Go Tigers!![/QUOTE/]

One of the most class families I have ever met. Had the privilege to coach with his father for a year in PYAA football. It was one of the fondest memories in my families youth sports history. Our prayers and thoughts are with you Bob and Deb.

[galeron]

Thoughts and prayers go out to this young man. I a sickened whenever I hear of a young man having to miss anytime, because it is very precious.

[coke72]

Are we certain of that?
Every yr I here this the yr of the Moe blah blah blah!
Every yr they get whacked in the first round of the playoffs.
Granted they are in the juggernaut R4 so not many teams have great success there.
Im not saying Moe may not get there either, but lets not put the cart before the horse with them.

Lites,

Valid point. It is not always about how you start, but how you finish.
In some way, we are all talking about the same thing in regard to all the teams mentioned here.

B8 and Galeron,

Thanks for the sentiments.

[Walking Boss]

Did Moe and PC play a JV game, or if not, did PC play anyone JV this week? Sorry if it says so somewhere else....

[coke72]

They played Monday before the game, 8/22, at Tiger Stadium. Moe won 7-0.