Lancaster - Logan Week 1

[derby 4]

Is there anybody out there ? What happened to all the Lancaster and Logan Huddlers ? This game used to start getting hashed out around the middle of April. The Golden Gales put it on Logan pretty good last year and I believe if Lancaster plays to their potential they should start the season with a victory.

[the_guru_CO]

Lancaster is very beat up right now. TE is already done for the year and will be going into the scrimmage today without FOUR running backs. Few other important players had major injury scares as well. Lots of sophmores getting reps with #1's today in the 4 way I bet.

The Gales need to get healthy before they worry bout beating Logan or anyone else.

[derby 4]

Wow. You sure threw a wet blanket over my enthusiasm. Why so many injuries this early in practice ?

[the_guru_CO]

After watching yesterdays scriommage against Olentangy, Kenton and Marion-Franklin, I would like to take back my earlier comments.. Wow I had no idea the young backs were so fast. Did not expect to see them outrunning the Marion-Frnaklin defense over and over again. Going to be tough for the seniors to get back their positions.

The defense destroyed Olentangy. Held them to negative yards in the 1's on 1's part.

Gales over Logan by at least 4 TD's

[knight43210]

After watching yesterdays scriommage against Olentangy, Kenton and Marion-Franklin, I would like to take back my earlier comments.. Wow I had no idea the young backs were so fast. Did not expect to see them outrunning the Marion-Frnaklin defense over and over again. Going to be tough for the seniors to get back their positions.

The defense destroyed Olentangy. Held them to negative yards in the 1's on 1's part.

Gales over Logan by at least 4 TD's

How did they do against Kenton?

[Walking Boss]

After watching yesterdays scriommage against Olentangy, Kenton and Marion-Franklin, I would like to take back my earlier comments.. Wow I had no idea the young backs were so fast. Did not expect to see them outrunning the Marion-Frnaklin defense over and over again. Going to be tough for the seniors to get back their positions.

The defense destroyed Olentangy. Held them to negative yards in the 1's on 1's part.

Gales over Logan by at least 4 TD's

Guru: Sounds like you're ready to book a hotel room in Stark County for the first week in December;).

How'd Marion Franklin look? They lost most of their top 'skill' guys from last year, but their QB returned and he was a handful. The defense reportedly has some studs. I'm curious because the Irish play them week 2.

[DEFENSE]

WB, was told they didn't look bad but not like the MF teams of the last few years. Rebuilding is an accurate description.

[Walking Boss]

WB, was told they didn't look bad but not like the MF teams of the last few years. Rebuilding is an accurate description.

D: Thanks. That is sort of what I expected (and was hoping to hear), but was looking for affirmation.

They were just soooooo freakin' fast last year, it was scary. They beat Scioto 20-6, but it might as well hae been 47-6. They had mulitple scores and long gainers called back due to stupid penalties. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for similar sloppiness week 2.

[DEFENSE]

Just looked at your schedule and if I had to pick a team, I would say West South is your toughest opponent. Of course that may all change as the season goes along. Just trying to have some fun with this before the season starts and we all get serious :)

[DEFENSE]

Getting back to the thread- I also heard Lancaster looked good at the scrimmage. That's impressive if they were playing with underclassmen.

[Rapture]

Lancaster played with mostly juniors and seniors, they did have to put in the freshman quarterback for awhile because Theiss needed a break, wasn't feeling well. They also moved a sophmore lineman over for the end of the second and gave him some reps in the third scrimmage. No other players I saw were underclassmen. It was a little hard because Logan was there scouting and they switched some jerseys but for the most part it was still juniors and seniors in the varsity scrimmages as far as I could tell. Guru, what sophomores did you see in the backfield? Maybe I missed them...

As far as how they did against Kenton, not great in the first defensive set. Offensively they were fine, defensively they struggled the first time but it appeared the defense wore them down as the scrimmage went on. I didn't keep score but bet it was close. They were substituting in different players and different looks.

*P.S. Forgot to mention, Roberts is going to do well on the offensive side, treats running like he does tackling. :)

[Rapture]

No other players I saw were underclassmen.

Sometimes you open your mouth without knowing better, this one of of those cases for me. Guru, I apologize for even considering posting a question of your knowledge.

I was just corrected by a son who is on the team - sophomores did in fact play in the backfield

[the_guru_CO]

Sometimes you open your mouth without knowing better, this one of of those cases for me. Guru, I apologize for even considering posting a question of your knowledge.

I was just corrected by a son who is on the team - sophomores did in fact play in the backfield


No problem. What i meant by "young guys" is the kids that were expected to be JV players this year. JR's Bond, Shisler and England played nearly every rep on offense with Roberts here and there. Also, 2 sophmores played a little wing. I describe thm like this becasue most people felt that the bulk of running back would be played by Meadows, King, West and Jones. None of them played in this scrimmage due to injury/suspension.

3 sophmore lineman played the last TD drive against MF on offense. They looked BIG and pretty solid.

FYI, I'm not saying Lancaster is going to the state title game, just that they should have no problem at all with Logan. Weeks 2-4 will be the test.

[Rapture]

That's right - mug, crist and trout on the line. I think the line will be solid for a few years. Regardless, I agree the backs looked fast. It looked like the first time Roberts ran that I saw he was straight up but after that looked pretty good, agree? How does the team look in relation to previous years at this point?

[galeron]

For what it is worth I posted my breakdown of all three parts of the scrimmage on the thread about central Ohio scrimmages.

[yourmove]

After watching yesterdays scriommage against Olentangy, Kenton and Marion-Franklin, I would like to take back my earlier comments.. Wow I had no idea the young backs were so fast. Did not expect to see them outrunning the Marion-Frnaklin defense over and over again. Going to be tough for the seniors to get back their positions.

The defense destroyed Olentangy. Held them to negative yards in the 1's on 1's part.

Gales over Logan by at least 4 TD's

To be correct Olentangy had 30 yards in the first series with a sack that was a negative 10 yard play. Minus yardage is a little extreme don't you think? Your defense is very good though. I would expect a very good year with such a solid Defense.

[galeron]

I dont know what you were watching but Olentangy didnt have 30 yards against Lancaster on their 1st possession. Agreed it wasnt negative yards but it was alot closer to negative yards than 30 yards. The exact amount was Olentangy took over on the 35 yard line and ran 20 plays and the ball was squarely on the 37. I hated Math in college but I think that comes out to two yards.

[yourmove]

I guess I have to explain the math of the refs taking the ball back to the 35 after they felt it would have been 4 downs without a 1st. And the math of a false start penalty taking the LOS back but not taking away from yards gained. Olentangy's last 3 plays gained 19 yds.

So I don't know what you were watching but it wasn't 20 plays that only gained 2 yds from the 35 !

Obviously not worth arguing because Lancaster's D played very well and Olentangy did not in that 10 MINUTE PERIOD. Good thing that 10 MINUTES doesn't determine who goes to the playoffs.

[Walking Boss]

yourmove: How did Oly use Perry? Backfield, wideout, both?

He looked awesome against Scioto last year at HB. I was glad they only gave him the ball 5 times or so.

Aside from Lancaster's D looking strong. Is there any diagnosis you can offer as to Oly's struggles internally? With Playko and some other good sized linemen coming back along with some experienced backs, I expect the Braves' O to be solid this year.

Also, how did they do against MF and Kenton?

[galeron]

I am not going to argue obviously we disagree and that is fine. The refs did not move the ball back after 4 plays a single time I dont know who told you that because you obviously wasnt there because I swear they did not do that. Agreed there were penalties that moved the ball back but the bottom line was the ball finished at the 37 after starting at the 20. They did gain some yards on the second possesion but were talking about the first time they had the ball. Trust me the way the Olentangy coach was ripping his team as we walked to the other field he didnt feel to good about the whole thing either. If the refs were moving the ball back after 4 plays why didnt that ever happen when Lancaster had the ball ? Guess that would mean Olentangy never stopped Lancaster even one time. Definitly not worth arguing about, I agree that those couple of minutes wont determine playoffs or anything for that matter.

[yourmove]

yourmove: How did Oly use Perry? Backfield, wideout, both?

He looked awesome against Scioto last year at HB. I was glad they only gave him the ball 5 times or so.

Aside from Lancaster's D looking strong. Is there any diagnosis you can offer as to Oly's struggles internally? With Playko and some other good sized linemen coming back along with some experienced backs, I expect the Braves' O to be solid this year.

Also, how did they do against MF and Kenton?

Asking about internal struggles is implying that there are internal struggles. To my knowledge there are no internal struggles at Olentangy. Boss, you must know more about Olentangy than I do so how about you start the diagnosis of Olentangy's internal struggles by stating the "struggles internally" you have heard of.

[Walking Boss]

Asking about internal struggles is implying that there are internal struggles. To my knowledge there are no internal struggles at Olentangy. Boss, you must know more about Olentangy than I do so how about you start the diagnosis of Olentangy's internal struggles by stating the "struggles internally" you have heard of.

Very poor wording on my part. My apologies. I wasn't trying to imply anything. Let me re-phrase: Do you think Olentangy's troubles against Lancaster were totally due to Lancaster having a tough D or did the Oly underperform (self-imposed)?

On a related note, how did they do in the other matches (MF and Kenton)?

I expect Oly to be strong in the Cardinal this year and compete for the Division crown (with South, M'ville, Scioto, and Liberty). I think the offense will be better without Greathouse (more dynamic). IMHO, I thought Terwilliger used him as a 280 lb crutch.

I'd appreciate your perspective on the other scrimmages and the season ahead.

[yourmove]

vs. Lancaster - it was the first 10 minutes of live action against another opponent Olentangy had of the year so there is not much to be taken from it. But I will repeat, Lancaster looks to be set up for a very good defensive year. They are big, physical, and good at playing their responsibilities.

vs. M-F - Olentangy offense drove consistently but no score. Olentangy defense gave up a couple big plays.

vs. Kenton - doesn't matter because Kenton is DV and runs an offense and defense that doesn't exist in the O.C.C. but Olentangy handled them on both sides of the ball.

Perry didn't play any offense the whole night.

Greathouse was a "crutch" - he demoralized Orange, Scioto, and Liberty last year. Liberty he did on a hobbled foot. Was neutralized against Big Walnut and hurt against Marysville along with Perry in the 2nd half

[Walking Boss]

vs. Lancaster - it was the first 10 minutes of live action against another opponent Olentangy had of the year so there is not much to be taken from it.

It was Lancaster's first 10 minutes of live action too, right?

Greathouse was a "crutch" - he demoralized Orange, Scioto, and Liberty last year.

Greathouse had 50 yards on 14 carries (3.57 yards per carry) against Scioto last year). [I can provide you a carry-by-carry recap if you desire] He did have 2 TDs, but my daughter could have scored from those distances given that Scioto was missing their best DT that night. Hardly "demoralization" material, in my book.

No hard feelings, but I'm really not deriving any value from your posts, and you appear to have a chip on your shoulder or something. So, need to respond. I'll move on to better things.

[galeron]

Well stated Walking Boss. I think the the chip on his shoulder you are sensing is originating from a team that was excited to finally get 10 minutes of live play and got absolutely dominated. Sounds like they got dominated by everyone else also because if Marion Franklin beat them I can assure Kenton beat them because they are absolute basketball on grass. Olentangy couldnt hold Lancaster to less than 5 yards a play, I guarantee you they didnt stop Kenton. Oh well at least some of us can be factual about our teams.

[yourmove]

I'm glad I am arguing with the Scioto statistician. A few things your stat book and slices of pizza in the press box won't tell you is that your LBs and Safeties felt every one of those 50 yards Greathouse gained, guaranteed. And they didn't want to fill on the goal line anymore but I guess according to you one player would have kept Olentangy under 40 pts since your daughter could have scored on the team you support (great compliment to the Scioto players that night).

[yourmove]

Galeron, I can't take you serious when you say "at least someone can be factual about their team" when you say Lancaster gained 5 yards every play on Olentangy. Real factual.

One post you say Olentangy started at the 35 and ended at the 37. Then in a later post you said Olentangy started at the 20 and ended at the 37.

[lancaster_gales]

Can we get back to talking about Lancaster and Logan please? How does Logan look this year?

[galeron]

I agree lets talk about a real game and leave a meaningless scrimmage in our rear view mirror. I apologize for allowing myself to get drawn into this back and forth about Olentangy.

[rick_dangerous]

haha

I love when people get on here and start off with, "I'm not going to argue". Then follow it with a page worth of arguments. haha

[timbo_hoagie]

Any info on Logan? I'm excited about Lancaster's potential season, but the Logan/Lancaster game always seems to be somewhat of a coin toss. What's the scoop?

[sportfan97]

well its good to come back from my two week training for the national guard and find a thread about this game.then I start reading....lol.

I don't know a ton about Logan but unless the improve a lot form last year I don't see them beating the Gales...

[derby 4]

Does anyone have any information on Lancaster's next scrimmage ? When, where, who ?

[knight43210]

Does anyone have any information on Lancaster's next scrimmage ? When, where, who ?

http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/dublin/stories/2011/08/03/sports/coaches-face-delicate-balance-with-scrimmages.html?sid=104

[derby 4]

knight43210, Is it safe to assume the second team listed is the home team?

[Walking Boss]

knight43210, Is it safe to assume the second team listed is the home team?

Normally you would, but in this case I think it is the home team listed first. At least it is for sure in the case of every scrimmage I have been to that is on that list.

[galeron]

I can tell you for certain Lancaster plays at Brookhaven Friday night at 7:00. That is their final tuneup for the Logan game. If you want an early preview Lancaster starts practice in 20 minutes at 3:00.

[galeron]

Lancaster has Brookhaven tonight up in Brookhaven. Hopefully Gales go injury free tonight and use tonight as prep for a tough schedule ahead of them.

[galeron]

Lancaster wins 13-7. They only played two quarters of game like situation. Brookhaven didnt have much luck stopping Lancaster but did force Lancaster to kick two field goals which were the difference. My concern is that our defense isnt as dominating as everyone seems to think they would be. Someone earlier posted that they werent concerned with the defense but didnt think we would score much. I am thinking right now it is the opposite. I felt like Brookhaven moved the ball way effectively.

[sportfan97]

Lancaster wins 13-7. They only played two quarters of game like situation. Brookhaven didnt have much luck stopping Lancaster but did force Lancaster to kick two field goals which were the difference. My concern is that our defense isnt as dominating as everyone seems to think they would be. Someone earlier posted that they werent concerned with the defense but didnt think we would score much. I am thinking right now it is the opposite. I felt like Brookhaven moved the ball way effectively.

What kind of offense was brookhaven running last night? were the gales just running out of thier base defense or were they showing different looks and blitzing and stuff? its sometimes tough to judge how good a team is going to be if the coaching staff wasnt showing much. Glad to see that the kicking game got a little work. The gales kicker has a great leg but stuggled a little in practice when been rushed in game like situation.

[galeron]

Cautiously optimistic about the kicking game. The rules of the scrimmage didnt allow for rushing the kicker so alot of info about the kicking game remains to be seen. I dont really know what defense the Gales were running, I just know Brookhaven seemed to move the ball pretty easily. As did Marion Franklin and Kenton. Maybe our best defense will be time consuming drives on offense.

[sportfan97]

well the last time the offense looked way better than our defense in a scrimmage we went 10-0 during the regular season. Lets hope thats a sign of good things to come this season.......was it more a passing game or running game that these teams were moving the ball on us with?

[galeron]

Definitly passing. I havent seen anyone have any success running the ball yet against Lancaster in these scrimmages. But starting to wonder if we arent stacking the box to much and leaving us susceptible to the pass. If you are going to blitz Roberts he has got to get there because it is leaving the middle of the field wide open.

[the_guru_CO]

Roberts plays Will. His job is not to cover the middle of the field. Does not matter what coverage they play , the Will will never drop to the middle. Since Albertini took over the defense 3 years ago they have been a heavy cover 4 team with some Cover 3 and man mixed in.

To answer to question Galeron, Cover 4 is heavy run stopping coverage. It allows your safety's to be down and play the run. It is what many teams have played against Lancaster and the wing t over the years.

[galeron]

I wasnt making any comment on how Roberts plays the game. I dont care what defense you call it if a Linebacker blitzes and doesnt get to the QB you are leaving your secondary vulnerable.

I sincerly hope I am wrong in what I feel I have observed but I maintain that the defense looked shaky last night. But it was just a scrimmage so maybe I am overreacting.

[timbo_hoagie]

Where are all the Logan fans?! Keep this thread updated on game night...I'll be in Cadiz for the Harrison Central/Claymont game, but I want to get reports about my Gales!

[sportfan97]

well at least I know our problem on defense is the same it is every year...lol. I guess we need to get our DB's to make sure they keep the receivers in front of them and don't give up the deep ball too many times in games.

8 minute 80 yard rives for TD's everytime the offense gets the ball could be our best defense this year

[galeron]

I was on Logan website looking at their depth chart. Alot of senior starters which always kinda of makes we a little worried. I am sure Logan will be ready. This is their big game every year. I am sure they have had this circled ever since last years game. Does anyone know how they have looked in their scrimmages ? Gale fans need to turn out Friday night and make Fulton Field and electric environment. GO GALES !!!!!!

[derby 4]

My 2 cents on Lancaster's defensive back play is too many times they do not turn to see the ball. How is West looking at fullback ? Not much information on this game. No Logan huddlers and the usual lack of coverage by the Eagle-Gazette.

[galeron]

Yea if you wait on the Eagle Gazette to get you information, you wont know anything till after the game. West is suspended the first 5 games of the year so you wont be seeing him He didnt even practice last week, as he was on vacation. I find it curious that a football player would wait till this point of the summer to go on vacation but I guess that is another topic. As far as the secondary goes it appears they are coached to keep everything in front and allow the catch to be made and than make the tackle. I think we will be ok against Logan if we dont have any turnovers.

[sportfan97]

according to another chat forum Logan lost to Sheridan in their scrimmage and gave up over 400 yards. sounds like Logan racked up a fair share of yardage on offense themselves but if they couldn't stop sheridan I know they can't stop Lancaster.

[galeron]

I would agree that doesnt sound like it bodes well for Logan. Thanks for the information. It is good to get some actual football information instead of speculation. I am so geeked about Friday night coming up. ############### that I got this thing called work between now and than.

[Fallen Timbers]

Lancaster will roll by 20 at least

[sportfan97]

not much talk from any Logan fans on this site..I miss the good old days when we use to get some real heated debate on here....at least I can look forward to the debate with my buddies from pickerington Central

[lancaster_gales]

I think Lancaster names the score in this one but you never know in a rivalry game! Go Gales!

[Auburn88]

Young gales (sherman and ewing 8th grade in scrimmage) ran all over Logan. Future looks bright.

[traveling fan]

anybody have the starting line up and back up for both teams

[sportfan97]

anybody have the starting line up and back up for both teams

I was wondering the same thing...I would just be happy with rosters at this point

[Rapture]

Got this from another site: I know some may not be right, for instance I know Ben Bowman is starting in secondary but not exactly sure which position. Maybe we can get this together

Here's what I have for Lancaster, help me fill in the blanks:
QB - Theiss
FB - Roberts
HB - Meadows
HB -
SE - Sharp *
TE - McClurg *
OT - Hartranft
OG - Francis
C - Happeney
OG - Graves
OT - Miller *

DE - Woosley *
DT - Kirchgessner
DT - DeCarlo
DE - I. Dexter
LB - Funk
LB - Roberts
LB -
CB -
FS -
SS - Bowman
CB -

[Rapture]

Not sure how accurate this is either but got this on the same site:

Logan Projected Line-Up:
Offense
QB - 11 - Kelly Long - 5'11 - 180lbs - SR
RB - 24 - Cory McCarty - 5'9 - 175lbs - JR
FB - 36 - Michael Simpson - 5'8 - 175lbs - JR
WR - 10 - Isaac Lindsey - 6'0 - 165lbs - SR
WR - 33 - Sean Wotring - 5'5 - 165lbs - SR
TE - 15 - Jordan Sharb - 6'0 - 210lbs - SR
RT - 59 - Lucas Branson - 6'0 - 235lbs - JR
RG - 57 - Michael Fortner - 5'11 - 230lbs - SR
C - 50 - Alex Schneider - 5'10 - 225lbs - SR
LG - 66 - Aaron Wolfe - 5'9 - 210lbs - SR
LT - 64 - Dylan Manley - 6'0 - 200lbs - JR
Other Offensive Players:
RG - 61 - Brock Emerson - 5'10 - 220lbs - Soph
OG/FB - 56/99 - Paul Wesselhoeft - 6'2 - 240lbs - SR
RT - 62 - Caleb Branson - 6'1 - 200lbs - Soph
WR - 07 - Josh Fridley - 6'0 - 155lbs - JR
TE - 14 - Zach Dixon - 5'10 - 165lbs - SR
RB - 17 - Branson Sheets - 5'10 - 165lbs - JR
RB - 20 - Nick Maniskas - 5'10 - 155lbs - Soph
TE - 86 - Kenny Simpson - 6'0 - 200lbs - JR

Defense
DE - 22 - Charles Paulson - 6'3 - 215lbs - Soph
DT - 66 - Aaron Wolfe - 5'9 - 210lbs - SR
NG - 99 - Paul Wesselhoeft - 6'2 - 240lbs - SR
DT - 57 - Michael Fortner - 5'11 - 230lbs - SR
DE - 62 - Caleb Branson - 6'1 - 200lbs - Soph
LB - 24 - Cory McCarty - 5'9 - 175lbs - JR
LB - 15 - Jordan Sharb - 6'0 - 210lbs - SR
LB - 36 - Michael Simpson - 5'8 - 175lbs - JR
CB - 10 - Isaac Lindsey - 6'0 - 165lbs - SR
CB - 33 - Sean Wotring - 5'5 - 165lbs - SR
FS - 07 - Josh Fridley - 6'0 - 155lbs - JR
Other Defensive Players:
FS - 11 - Kelly Long - 5'11 - 180lbs - SR
LB/DB - 17 - Branson Sheets - 5'10 - 165lbs - JR
DB - 20 - Nick Maniskas - 5'10 - 155lbs - Soph
LB - 30 - Nick Kost - 5'8 - 160lbs - Soph
DT - 61 - Brock Emerson - 5'10 - 220lbs - Soph
NG - 65 - Allen Mulford - 5'7 - 140lbs - JR
DE - 86 - Kenny Simpson - 6'0 - 200lbs - JR

[galeron]

The Linebackers listed for Lancaster is not correct. Funk is not a starting Linebacker. They are Roberts, Colten Schooley, and Nick Thompson. Funk may be a starting safety but cant say that for sure. Free safety on defense is Ethan Jones. I would guess he would be the other Halfback on offense but again the whole backfield right now appears to be by committee. Will be a combination on Brandon Meadows (who has been hurt and practiced very little), Ethan Jones (also missed some practice with injury), Ethan Bond (also missed time), Andrew Schisler, Tanner England, Russ King, and Luke Roberts. My apologies if I left anyone out of that mix. My guess would be it will be Ryan Thomas at tight end and McClurg will play more Defensive Line. Go GALES !!!!!!

[LHSgales00]

Lancaster wins 35-13. Very sloppy game penalty wise for both teams which is to be expected in week 1.

[sportfan97]

We better figure out how to play defesne against a passing team or we could be in trouble during a few games this season

[galeron]

Seems like I have been saying that.

[derby 4]

How can the defense learn to play pass defense in practice when we don't pass the ball ? Can't we throw a short pass to a 6'7" tight end ? I was very impressed with our kicker and overall team strength. I hope they continue to rotate Roberts and Jones in on offense for a few carries.

[galeron]

Important thing is that they won easily tonight and there are plenty of teaching points for the coaches to improve the team. Mason beat Springboro last night so they must be pretty good. Go GALES !!!!

[sportfan97]

Speaking of the Mason game. I startd a thread already about that game.