Did it at YSU, did it at OSU....

[doublerods]

Is it really that shocking history repeats itself? The vest needs to hit up ashland or findlay then a d3 school...might as well tarnish a college in ohio at every level...

[Big Mac]

Funny you mention Ashland. Think he would be a perfect fit there and could replace Lee Owens...Now that they have the new facilities that they never wanted to give previous HCs and staffs, maybe they can stab the current regime in the back too and hire Tress.

[doublerods]

Hahahaha. Dont want to change subject of thread but man o man did the previous coaches at ashland get SCREWED

[Eric Frantz]

In all seriousness, I would be shocked if Tressel coaches again. That being said, if he does, I would not be shocked if it was at a smaller school like an Ashland...

[Eric Frantz]

Hahahaha. Dont want to change subject of thread but man o man did the previous coaches at ashland get SCREWED

And yes they did...

[scgroup]

Exactly what I expected from a coaches forum. You got to love coaches who bash other coaches! This is our ESPN mentality. Everyone has all the answers now days. I think that issues that develop in high school are way more complex than the public perceives! Imagine the magnitude of issues at Ohio State. Before you are too quick to judge, remember what goes around comes around! Unless you have been in a jam before as a head coach, you have no idea what it is like when people you work with and for betray you. Now days anything is possible when people want to take you down. I bet all the coaches on here have never made an error in judgment?

[devilone]

I think everybody needs to go back and read the article about YSU. Tressel was cleared by the NCAA. The school, because of Ray Issac and Mickey Monus was sanctioned. Ray Issac testified that Tressel told him to just tell the truth in the Monus trial. Sorry if an articles only sources are 2 Jailbirds who got caught doing sh#t they shouldn't have been doing. I think Tressel resigning at OSU ends up being the right thing to do for his offenses at OSU. As far as YSU it was never proven that he did anything wrong and people need to recognize that before lumping what happened at OSU and YSU together.

[doublerods]

Uh oh, here cone the fans....

[devilone]

Not The Fans. The Facts! Get It Right Or Shut Your Mouth !

[doublerods]

So your saying these 2 situations aren't similair? I do know this, qb at ysu lived by another set of rules the team did as does(did) Terrell Pryor. Those are the only facts i need to know.

[devilone]

It says coach under your screenname. Do you coach high school football? Just curious?

[devilone]

So your saying these 2 situations aren't similair? I do know this, qb at ysu lived by another set of rules the team did as does(did) Terrell Pryor. Those are the only facts i need to know.

If you do coach high school football let me ask you question. Do you know who pays the bill for your starting QB's car? Did you ever ask? Do you just assume its his parents. What if its not?:confused:

[scgroup]

I've found myself in a couple of jams over the years because I was the last to find out what apparently every other player knew. Legal issues and people assuming that the Coach knows everything are dangerous. Fortunately I had some stand up people put their necks on the line to defend me. Very serious and uncomfortable to be accused of things that can affect your reputation and family forever. I wouldn't wish this on any coach. If you coach long enough you may find yourself in this very position. Just when you think you have all the bases covered a new situation comes up that can catch you totally off guard. You do what you think is right in your best judgement but when attourneys and money get involved it takes on a life of its own. In this case even the President and AD didn't understand how far this would go or they would never have said the things they said. So, I don't know how you became so wise? Maybe you should apply for the Ohio State job! You seem to have it all together Doublerods!uccess you have the more chance you will be in this situation at least once!

[doublerods]

How do you have bases covered when you check the "no issues" box on ncaa compliance form when you actually know there are issues? Take the scarlet colored glasses off, d o u c h e bags.

[Junior]

If you do coach high school football let me ask you question. Do you know who pays the bill for your starting QB's car? Did you ever ask? Do you just assume its his parents. What if its not?:confused:

i hope you are not a coach anywhere cause you are an issue, as a coach you should know and understand the players you need to concern yourself with and those that have parents/guardians there to help with the load, if you want to coach to get a title and do x's and o's your place is in the pro's (but would bet you could not handle the work load), quit defending your idol and accept the FACT that he is in charge, he chose those players (probably because he thought he could help them be better men), he must live with their actions, this is how managing people works, if you want to wash your hands when subordinates make a mistake how can you call yourself a leader?

[phaywo]

At the end of the day it is all about winning and money. These coaches have so much pressure on them. You have the administration demanding wins, fans, and recruits. Hell, these coaches get bonuses for wins! Their tenure is all about how many wins and losses that they have. Only when crap hits the fan, then integrity comes into play. Tressel lied because he wanted to win! Nobody likes to lose. Hell, the media will call for your head if you lose too many games. Look at John Cooper. He had a winning record, but he couldn't beat Michigan. Um, where is he? We are such hypocrites.

[scgroup]

Doublerods you are hypocrite!

[doublerods]

So now we are resorting to name calling? Ellaborate.

[doublerods]

Phaywo, you asked where john cooper is...Uh go to south bend and you'll find him in the college football HALL OF FAME.
I dont claim to be all knowing, i just speak on my own personal experiences but comments are made about "they have pressure to win from fans, admin, etc"....interesting because that is the same expectations throughout the state at the HIGH SCHOOL level here. Still wondering where me being a hypocrite came from but confused on how that big bad "pressure" makes u check "no" on a ncaa compliance questionnaire OR pick up the phone, call a huge booster and suggest getting qb a job.

[Junior]

We are such hypocrites.

do not lump me with you, to me winning comes when you get the student athletes to be together and sacrifice, the winning takes care of itself, tressel did not need TP, he CHOSE to recruit this young man after there were signs he had some questionable character, chisik rolled dice and won tressel rolled dice and got fired

[devilone]

i hope you are not a coach anywhere cause you are an issue, as a coach you should know and understand the players you need to concern yourself with and those that have parents/guardians there to help with the load, if you want to coach to get a title and do x's and o's your place is in the pro's (but would bet you could not handle the work load), quit defending your idol and accept the FACT that he is in charge, he chose those players (probably because he thought he could help them be better men), he must live with their actions, this is how managing people works, if you want to wash your hands when subordinates make a mistake how can you call yourself a leader?

In High School you may have 50 kids on a team and know the majority of there parents so it easy to keep track. You do realize that counting active players, red-shirts and grey-shirts thats a total of nearly 175 players Tressel would have had to keep track of. If you look at my post I didn't give Tressel a pass for the mistakes at OSU, my comments were for what went on at YSU.

[doublerods]

Please start new thread titled "excuses for tressel to use"

[doublerods]

Btw... we have 210 students in our football program rt now

[devilone]

No excuse for what tressel did at OSU. Just told you to get your facts straight about what happened at YSU. You did not. And adding up your 7th grade 8th grade freshmen and jvs along with varsity players makes you look stupid. You don't seriously expect anyone on this thread to believe that you coach on all those levels. Thats the difference between guys like you and guys like me. I tell you to get your facts straight and you blur the issue with even more nonsense. I'm starting to believe I may be arguing with an equipment manager.

[doublerods]

HHahahaha. Ok...in all seriousness we turned in 210 during our spring grades 9-11...doesn't really bother me wether u believe me or not

[doublerods]

Hey devil, to pile on your comment we have an A & B team for 7th, 8th grade AND freshman, a soph team, a jv team and a varsity team...

[devilone]

That' s a lot of jocks to wash. You must be exhausted. I'll stop teasing you before you lose your cool. I wouldn't want it to effect your job performance as 7th grade B-team equipment manager.

[doublerods]

Got me. Good surrender.

[devilone]

Nice language over the net. Face to face though I'd take your heart.

[Junior]

Nice language over the net. Face to face though I'd take your heart.

ummmmm don't you have to be 18 to be able to get into this thread

[devilone]

Funny how you always seem to pop up whenever D-RODS in a discussion. You both have the same locations at 352 Union ST. Thats very interesting.

[roundtown61]

You do have options whether to become a coach or not
Can you imagine being the head coach OSU.
The money is great, but they, the fans,the AD, the alumni
own your soul.

[doublerods]

trust me devil, i'm not junior.

totally agree with you r.t.
huge trade off for fortune, throw that on top of the normal "pressures" of an HC. our society is based on a what-you-done-for-me-lately mentality and wins=job security (unless you lock an injured son of espn anchor in a closet).

[devilone]

You do have options whether to become a coach or not
Can you imagine being the head coach OSU.
The money is great, but they, the fans,the AD, the alumni
own your soul.

Great thought. Really makes you wonder if its all worth it.

[Junior]

In High School you may have 50 kids on a team and know the majority of there parents so it easy to keep track. You do realize that counting active players, red-shirts and grey-shirts thats a total of nearly 175 players Tressel would have had to keep track of. If you look at my post I didn't give Tressel a pass for the mistakes at OSU, my comments were for what went on at YSU.

you generalized making it sound as if a college coach cannot know his team, that is not the issue (even though they can, a college staff is 10 guys min. each guy takes position can patrol easy), the issue is tressel lied, and as for for knowing parents, i do nor know where you coach, my our parents aren't always around, and some do not want to be bothered

[devilone]

I understand where your coming from as far as high school coaching goes. You know your kids and families better. What I'm saying is there is to much going on responsibility wise for college coaches to babysit these guys everyday. You can't possibly know with players living off campus who's paying the bills nor do they have to tell you if asked. There's alot of privacy issues that come into play. As far as generalizing anything the same can be said of your statements. What works for you and what experiences you've had are yours and yours alone.

[Junior]

devil all staffs (even small d3 ones) have young coaches that make their way by making sure athletes get to class, etc...