How do you tell a player he probably won't get a DI offer?

[miami valley coach]

What's the best way to break the bad news?

[gamauter]

Honestly.

[doublerods]

Agree. Some kids need their plate broke...just gotta do it gently

[ytownirish]

And also challenge them to prove you wrong.

[Junior]

provide data of what d1 college athletes do/are and how it compares to most student athletes, explain outliers and how/why they succeed

[gamauter]

If the player loves football and has good grades I would encourage him to find a lower division program he likes and apply for money based on his grades.

[wisdome]

What's the best way to break the bad news?

You shouldn't. Let the process work out by itself. What you may think the player does not have may be seen different by another coach.

[Junior]

You shouldn't. Let the process work out by itself. What you may think the player does not have may be seen different by another coach.

wow, how about giving the young athlete the benefit of a coaches opinion and let them know where they stand

[bballfan]

Well if you dont have a good relationship with the kid, its hard for you to be sincere, and the kid is emotional.....then no you probably dont say much to him. When college coaches DONT come knocking on his door, hell get the point.

Likewise, there is nothing wrong with laying out a plan to accomplish goals. A good coach will have these kinds of talks during the offseason with players, and come to an agreement as to where they stand, and where they want to go. Its at this point that you tell the 6'3 slow, unathletic post player(like someone I know) that if you ever want to take your game to the next level, you have alot of work ahead of you, and the first goal should be daily prayer.

If the kid really does have the notion to play D1, then dont squash that dream. Dreamers are good cause they tend to work real hard toward their dream. Mark Titus got two years of a scholarship at Ohio State, and there are lots of walk-ons who earn their way into some money at school.

[wisdome]

wow, how about giving the young athlete the benefit of a coaches opinion and let them know where they stand

You said it...it is an opinion nothing else. What really matters is what is transpiring in the kids lfe regarding his recruiting events. Is he being contacted, is he not, is he doing the home work for exposure, is he not, etc. How can I tell a person that he is not capable of playing DI when there are DIIs better than DI schools.

Let the process work itself out and encourage the kid to do his best.

[doublerods]

I've had success with sitting down w a player and watching video or his "highlights". Ask the kid where he expects to go and then search a recently signed recruit at that university. Compare the 2 videos w the player. Make him pick out points to video (+,-)..

[Junior]

is he doing the home work for exposure.

man are we worlds apart, i would say it is a coaches job to worry about "exposure", and what does that have to do with letting a young person know what a trusted experienced adult thinks

[doublerods]

Hahahaa. I would like to know what aexactly a kid has to do for exposure besides make plays and get good grades

[wisdome]

man are we worlds apart, i would say it is a coaches job to worry about "exposure", and what does that have to do with letting a young person know what a trusted experienced adult thinks

Why will it be the coaches job to worry about exposure? The more work the kid does the better chance he has of making a better decision. They are recruting the player...not the coach.

I don't think we are worlds apart. They way you think things should go vs how I think should may be different...but the intent as I see is working for the best for th kid. I can live with that any time of the day.

[doublerods]

"The more work the kid does the better chance"...what is that in reference to? Their play? Doing recruiting service? Curious bc i have to side w jr. They may be recruiting the player but they still go thru the coach.

[lmavcch3]

Could exposure be talking about summer camps, etc to get his name out? That's more on the player and his family.

[doublerods]

Definetly. 1&3 day camps are big

[Junior]

exposure: sending out tapes, discussing the player with the appropriate college recruiters, making calls, discussing the best camps/schools for the players level

if you do not think these fall under a coaches responsibility i feel sorry for your players

[wisdome]

Should we also play the game for them?

If the college coach asks me about the player I would tell them my thoughts. I may contact the coaches to let them know that I have some viable players for their program, but the vast majority of the calls, sending the DVDs or where they can be located on you tube, finding out about camps, etc must be initiated by the player.

Allow thost kids to grow. It will be their place hopefully for the next four years...not the coach's

[doublerods]

Wow. That is just plain ignorant.

[bethere]

Wow. That is just plain ignorant.

he is unbelievable.

[doublerods]

Who is that?

[Junior]

Should we also play the game for them?

If the college coach asks me about the player I would tell them my thoughts. I may contact the coaches to let them know that I have some viable players for their program, but the vast majority of the calls, sending the DVDs or where they can be located on you tube, finding out about camps, etc must be initiated by the player.

Allow thost kids to grow. It will be their place hopefully for the next four years...not the coach's

have you ever spoke with a college coach, i mean you cannot be serious with this stuff, i would bet 90% of recruits that get full scholarships were discovered because something a coach did, i understand some guys just require a call and maybe not even that, but most scholarship and even walk on players are discovered because of some doing of their coach

i feel like you cannot be a coach and think this way, why do you coach, for the title???

[wisdome]

have you ever spoke with a college coach, i mean you cannot be serious with this stuff, i would bet 90% of recruits that get full scholarships were discovered because something a coach did, i understand some guys just require a call and maybe not even that, but most scholarship and even walk on players are discovered because of some doing of their coach

i feel like you cannot be a coach and think this way, why do you coach, for the title???

I'm not going into statistics, but they sport I'm very close to mostly of the work is done by the kids. Yes coaches and Directors do help, but not to the extent you are talking about. This is not football or basketball.

Kids hook up with a club. Get trained by the club. Play in several tournaments around the country. Coaches attend those tournaments and see the kids. They ask the club or coach for contact information about the kid and any additional information. College/Coach sends info to player and in many cases requests such things as additional schedules (tournament/practice), game coverage (via DVD or other online sources). College coach now follows kids. Contacts the player (when allowed by the NCAA) and establishes the relationship. Kids makes visit to school...continues in contact with college. Eventually players gets an offer or not. In the sport I'm talking about really wants the kids doing most of the work for the reasons I have explained before.

My kids went thru the process above and all got full rides. Last one is still in school. I did coach for several years and I did follow and recomemded the process. None of the kids I was involved with changed schools or dropped because they did not know what they got themselves into. They were prepared.

Give it a try...it works!

[wisdome]

he is unbelievable.

All mighty has spoken. Should I start breathing now?

[doublerods]

Your comparing h.s. soccer recruiting vs football?

[Junior]

wizzdumb i am amazed with your apples to oranges comparison, obviously you do not know what you are talking about, at least now you admit it

[wisdome]

wizzdumb i am amazed with your apples to oranges comparison, obviously you do not know what you are talking about, at least now you admit it

Tell me why I don't know what I'm talking about? How did I admit to it? The sport I'm alluding to is not football or basketball...but still has a recruiting process to go thru. It worked for my kids. One played in the SEC, the other in the MAC and the other is currently in the Horizon League.

You can say whatever you want, but the process did save me and my kids a lot of money!

[wisdome]

Your comparing h.s. soccer recruiting vs football?

Nope...and I think this thread was not initiated with a premiss for football.

[doublerods]

Jj huddle= coaches
NOT club soccer dads, D O U C H E B A G

[Junior]

Tell me why I don't know what I'm talking about? How did I admit to it? The sport I'm alluding to is not football or basketball...but still has a recruiting process to go thru. It worked for my kids. One played in the SEC, the other in the MAC and the other is currently in the Horizon League.

You can say whatever you want, but the process did save me and my kids a lot of money!

come on man you were tearing apart coaches having a responsibility to promote their players, how did you get lost on debate

[wisdome]

come on man you were tearing apart coaches having a responsibility to promote their players, how did you get lost on debate

I said and will continue to say it is not their responsibility. If they do it...great fro them and should be comended for it. Not lost in the debate...just stating an opinion based on experience.

[wisdome]

Jj huddle= coaches
NOT club soccer dads, D O U C H E B A G

Stay on roids it helps with the big head. Did I say I was involved in soccer?

[bethere]

Stay on roids it helps with the big head. Did I say I was involved in soccer?


we are all guests on this particular board, even if you are a paying member. it belongs to the OHSFCA, not you.

accusing one of the coaches of being on steroids is hugely inappropriate.

you owe the man an apology.

we're here to learn from them, not the other way around.

[scooter1369]

Jj huddle= coaches
NOT club soccer dads, D O U C H E B A G

Stay on roids it helps with the big head. Did I say I was involved in soccer?

we are all guests on this particular board, even if you are a paying member. it belongs to the OHSFCA, not you.

accusing one of the coaches of being on steroids is hugely inappropriate.

you owe the man an apology.

we're here to learn from them, not the other way around.

Actually I think, doubleroids here owes wisdome an apology.

1. Absolutely nothing in the OP insinuated that this thread was just about football.

2. Nothing wisdome said should have provoked a verbal attack and name calling.

3. What kind of supposed "high school coach" calls random internet posters douchebags and uses spaces to get past the filtering? Wouldn't surprise me if he was stealing from his players' stash.

4. wisdome has three kids that had or have a full ride for soccer. I'd say he knows how to get his kids recruited "in that sport". Football is a different world than any other sports with a women's equivalent. Would wisdome's theory work in football? no way in hell. But he's not wrong, because the thread never specified a sport.

[dorciepatrick]

Jj huddle= coaches
NOT club soccer dads, D O U C H E B A G

JJ Huddle is spending a lot of time and effort promoting this Coach's forum, where we "laymen" can -- as they put it -- "Talk LIVE with Ohio HS Football Coaches Today!".

During my years of playing both football and baseball as well as my son's playing days, I don't recall a coach using a term like this in ordinary conversation.

Maybe times have changed and coaches commonly express themselves this way publicly. I hope not.

[wisdome]

Actually I think, doubleroids here owes wisdome an apology.

1. Absolutely nothing in the OP insinuated that this thread was just about football.

2. Nothing wisdome said should have provoked a verbal attack and name calling.

3. What kind of supposed "high school coach" calls random internet posters douchebags and uses spaces to get past the filtering? Wouldn't surprise me if he was stealing from his players' stash.

4. wisdome has three kids that had or have a full ride for soccer. I'd say he knows how to get his kids recruited "in that sport". Football is a different world than any other sports with a women's equivalent. Would wisdome's theory work in football? no way in hell. But he's not wrong, because the thread never specified a sport.

Thank you scooter...the bethere guy is just on a witch hunt. You are right...that for football what I have gone thru may not work due to how the sport is established in the USA.

By the way ... my experience is not with soccer.

Thanks!

[wesser27]

Wisdome, what three schools did your kids go to? I could prolly figure out who you are;)


I would say about breakin the news to a kid that he doesn't have what it takes to be a D1 guy, it's always good to be honest. Brutally honest? Heck no. Part of being a good coach is to recognize the level of athlete each individual is. Look at stats, measurables, game/highlight tape, etc and compare with 'Elite' or D1 level athletes. Go to college camps. There is a whole slew of colleges that offer football, (D1,D2,D3,CC, etc) and many different ways to be involved past high school other than earning a D1 scholly. This is also true in many college sports.


Recruiting would probably be a 50/50 thing between player and coach. It's good for the coaches to get the player information, but it's always on the players shoulders to take the initiative and be proactive about his own recruitment.

[bethere]

Thank you scooter...the bethere guy is just on a witch hunt. You are right...that for football what I have gone thru may not work due to how the sport is established in the USA.

By the way ... my experience is not with soccer.

Thanks!

then by all means chase down the coaches and stalk them from forum to forum as you do me. who needs them anyway when we can learn so much from you?

[wisdome]

then by all means chase down the coaches and stalk them from forum to forum as you do me. who needs them anyway when we can learn so much from you?

Who is stalking who? Now you are also a coach? Stay where you are not good at...in politics!

[bethere]

Now you are also a coach?!

sigh... did i say that i was?

never give up, sarah!

[wisdome]

sigh... did i say that i was?

never give up, sarah!

I was just asking? So who is the stalker?

[rmolin73]

How about this scenario a kid goes to a camp and is offered. He talks to his high school coach about a few schools but he never mentions the offer. The coach proceeds to tell him that this particular school doesn't want him. The kid is shocked but doesn't mention the offer because of the coaches response. What should the kid do now? Should he still rely on the coach?

[doublerods]

Cant imagine why a player would not mention an offer to his coach especially since they "discussed colleges"...sounds like the player is doing his own thing so why would he go thru the coach anymore? Bad situation, imo.

[rmolin73]

The kid eventually did he was just thrown back by the coach saying they didn't want him. After the kid told the coach he still told the kid that he did not think that the school wanted him. The kid started for this school last year as a sophmore. But this particular coach has a horrible track record of getting his kids into college.

[Junior]

The kid eventually did he was just thrown back by the coach saying they didn't want him. After the kid told the coach he still told the kid that he did not think that the school wanted him. The kid started for this school last year as a sophmore. But this particular coach has a horrible track record of getting his kids into college.

so you got a coach problem, fix it

[rmolin73]

Trust me its not me but it was a kid that I know. My point is that a coach is not the final word nor the only avenue for a kid to get into college. I wish that all coaches had their athletes best interest at heart after high school but some don't. It is the player and his/her parents that are responsible as well. With our technoligically advanced society with facebook, youtube, etc. You can't tell me a coach is going to keep track of all that.

[doublerods]

All we ask our kids is to have a qualifying s.a.t. score by end of jr yr and to go to college 1 day camps during the summer if they want to play at next level. We have 0 parent involvement nor assistance and have signed 114 scholarship players since 2000.

[rmolin73]

Doublerods then you all are doing an excellent service for your kids. One question for you who takes on the responsibility for sending hame film or highlights to colleges? What you all are doing in my opinion is the way it should be. But I can tell you its not.

[bethere]

Doublerods then you all are doing an excellent service for your kids. One question for you who takes on the responsibility for sending hame film or highlights to colleges? What you all are doing in my opinion is the way it should be. But I can tell you its not.


scoutingohio.com

[rmolin73]

bethere I'm familiar with scoutingohio but my question was who is responsible for getting the highlights to scoutingohio, rivals, etc? Because it's a tedious process. In some cases the school does it and in other cases it is the sole responsibility of the athlete/family.

[doublerods]

Highlights are tedious but each position coach is responsible for their players. Highlights are uploaded to server. College Coaches access server and view whoever based off of prospect list.

[rmolin73]

once again props to you and your program I wish others would pick up your lead.

[bethere]

bethere I'm familiar with scoutingohio but my question was who is responsible for getting the highlights to scoutingohio, rivals, etc? Because it's a tedious process. In some cases the school does it and in other cases it is the sole responsibility of the athlete/family.

it is NOT your responsibility to do the actual filming. the film exists and it was paid for with either booster money or school money.

if the coach--a man paid by the B of E--won't cough up the film, then take your case directly to the B of E and get a new coach. if he doesn't want to do his job let me know and i'll line you up with a list of accomplished coaches who would love to coach at your school.

anyone with tech questions may pm me and i will talk them through uploading and/or producing the film step-by-step, and then i'll talk you through your interactions with the B of E.

i'd produce it for you and it would be one killer video with great production values... but, as you probably already know, scouting ohio will produce the video FOR FREE. the proprietors got into this because they wanted to get exposure for their son who was a football player.

Mail player highlights to:
ScoutingOhio.com
PO Box 1046
Canfield, OH 44406

and i don't know one college coach who uses rivals. not one.

[rmolin73]

bethere once again I'm asking these questions because of what a kid I know had went through with his high school coach. The kids dad (my dads best friend) got the games from the coach but not until the end of the season. When asked if there was someone that could break down the game film and make highlights the coach told them that they could pay some guy he knew $250 to do it. This was before I moved to Ohio and I wish that I knew about scoutingohio then. Well eventually his dad bought the software and did it himself.

[bethere]

bethere once again I'm asking these questions because of what a kid I know had went through with his high school coach. The kids dad (my dads best friend) got the games from the coach but not until the end of the season. When asked if there was someone that could break down the game film and make highlights the coach told them that they could pay some guy he knew $250 to do it. This was before I moved to Ohio and I wish that I knew about scoutingohio then. Well eventually his dad bought the software and did it himself.

in the future, remember this conversation--and this goes for anyone else who might be reading this:

if you have problems with anything along these lines you should PM me. i won't let you reinvent the wheel, or get thrown under the bus. this i promise you.