What does everyone think about Kasich and education?

[The Chef]

Barf...

[Dog the Bounty Hunter]

I know a lot of teachers that voted for him and are now sorry. Guess the old saying is true, people vote to slit their own throats. Just disappointing educators could not see this coming and vote accordingly.

[Junior]

Saw today he was talking trash about the Browns while giving a speech in Cleveland. HAHAHAHA I am going to write the creators of Saturday Night Live and request a skit with him and Ryan (from WI). Hoping they choose to end it with some sort of car crash.

[The Chef]

Put walker in that car with him. A lot of people voted kasich in to end abortions and make sure the dems don't take their guns.

[Junior]

Its like watching sideshow. He's gotta be a birther right?

[doublerods]

Great salesman i mean look how many teachers/public workers endorsed him

[Dog the Bounty Hunter]

A lot of teachers drank the koolaid.......what a shame.

[Junior]

Probably was not the tipping point though. Imagine his rich lawyer and doctor friends would have got him in anyway.

[Dog the Bounty Hunter]

and the moral majority

[Junior]

Yeah some of the "religious" forget to double check their leader.

[Dog the Bounty Hunter]

Yeah a lot of people buy in to the nonsense FOX news "reports". Next thing you know they have elected a total bafoon just because he has an (R) beside his name. Oh well, thus is American Politics........ everyone gets a vote regardless of intelligence.

[Junior]

Now that brings up an interesting concept of not letting people vote unless they pass a test. Read some of Granderson on CNN.com good stuff.

[The Chef]

that would be a smart idea.

[Junior]

We need more government...and guns.

[Dog the Bounty Hunter]

Hoping we follow Mexico's lead and run the speculators out of the oil market. Have the Government take it over........or make speculation a crime.

[Junior]

it has to be going that way, i mean no way this junk can last, wonder if riding a horse to work is legal, wish i knew a lawyer...

[Tank]

he is doing a great job. he is finally going to make teachers work instead of emailing all day long

[Junior]

he is doing a great job. he is finally going to make teachers work instead of emailing all day long

sorry tank but do not hate the players hate the game

[Dog the Bounty Hunter]

I need a stripe

[Junior]

looks like you got it, hooora for beer

[Dog the Bounty Hunter]

gitty up

[Junior]

only way to win is cheat

[Dog the Bounty Hunter]

Drawing is the honesty of the art. There is no possibility of cheating. It is either good or bad.

Salvador Dali

[Junior]

walks like a duck and looks like a duck...

[Junior]

he knows the truth when he looks in the mirror

[ytownirish]

I wish we could use Kasich as a tackling dummy...

[bethere]

Barf...

lol.

[HBC]

He's doing what needs to be done. I don't think he cares if he gets re-elected. The bottom line is we don't have any money and we need to do something. As far as SB5, the thing I like about it is it allows people to not belong to the union. Anything other than that is unconstitutional. How can you require, as a condition of employment, a person to belong to a political organization for a job with a public entity. You can't! Anyone who thinks you should have to belong to the union is a total IDIOT and does not understand the Constitution and freedom.

[Junior]

hahaha hbc i do not belong to a union, so sounds like you may just fold to peer pressure too easily, buckle up cause i imagine others are about to teach you some things about sb5

[DEFENSE]

I wish we could use Kasich as a tackling dummy...

Nice! :D

[o.a.b.]

This is what you get when you let the Fox [ News ] guard the chicken coop.We've got a bunch of feeble minded folks letting a "news" network guide them.Do you know who they're endorsing in 2012 now ? No-one !!! The liars are falling,one by one.Lots of rhetoric and opinions but no stick-em

[NBHS_1988]

I think he is doing a great job in trying to invite business back into the state so that the states revenue can increase, without raising taxes.

You people do not get, Ohio has dropped in population over the past 10-15 years, due to companies moving elsewhere or shutting down, due to economics and other variables.

It ############### to see NCR leave Dayton and move to Georgia.


Just remember, that my tax dollars are paying your salaries.

[buckeyedan]

paying who's salaries?

Honestly it's a typical political whiff...
REAL problems that need real solutions... but we get a political hack that gives us Rhetoric and skirts the issue

Education needs real change... it's a 19th century set up that needs a complete overhaul in terms of how we MANAGE it (administration level)

instead of going after real issues: why do we have such bloated overhead? why are we so inflexible with resources? Why are we still using a "levy" when nobody else is doing that 19th century idea? Why do we allow the 10 year budget estimate to basically be a self-fulfilling way to raise costs?

nah... it's EASIER... and more political... to attack a group (us vs them... way to get your support solidified around tactics without people thinking what they really are: "we HAVE to do it to stop THEM!" "THEY are the promblem that hurts US")

but even in that attack... it's empty
"merity pay"...
great
if you could define it

I mean it's one of those things:
Pay teachers based on "how good they do"
who could be against that?

well nobody... IF you had a valid way to judge that objectively
nobody has one
heck we are putting it in law without even TRYING to DEFINE it

I mean we should cure cancer!
nobody disagrees
but we aren't able to yet
that doesn't change the fact it's a nice goal

and if somebody comes up with a good "merit" system we can look at it
until then we are just going to throw a whole lot of things into the courts

you fire or don't giver a raise to a teacher based on some ill defined "merit" system and you are handing them a blank check (in court)... you can't defend something you don't have a defense (system) for!

that's only one of the issues...
ending the estate tax?
you know I don't necessarily disagree but if it's a good idea can't they just tell us why?
I was at a meeting with my representative and asked him about it... he gave me this shtick about how there are companies that close up shop and move their jobs out of state so they don't face the ohio estate tax (I would assume he's talking about sole ownership type companies?)

so... I asked him: since this is an issue... give me an example of ONE... just one of these companies that has done this... ever
he couldn't

again it's Rhetoric
it's not true
and many people in the middle understand that and are turned off by the party giving them the BS (flat lies really)

and the irony?
he had JUST given a talk about how environmental groups give you reasons not to support drilling or exploration but can't back it up with any facts...

too funny

[bethere]

paying who's salaries?

Honestly it's a typical political whiff...
REAL problems that need real solutions... but we get a political hack that gives us Rhetoric and skirts the issue

Education needs real change... it's a 19th century set up that needs a complete overhaul in terms of how we MANAGE it (administration level)

instead of going after real issues: why do we have such bloated overhead? why are we so inflexible with resources? Why are we still using a "levy" when nobody else is doing that 19th century idea? Why do we allow the 10 year budget estimate to basically be a self-fulfilling way to raise costs?

nah... it's EASIER... and more political... to attack a group (us vs them... way to get your support solidified around tactics without people thinking what they really are: "we HAVE to do it to stop THEM!" "THEY are the promblem that hurts US")

but even in that attack... it's empty
"merity pay"...
great
if you could define it

I mean it's one of those things:
Pay teachers based on "how good they do"
who could be against that?

well nobody... IF you had a valid way to judge that objectively
nobody has one
heck we are putting it in law without even TRYING to DEFINE it

I mean we should cure cancer!
nobody disagrees
but we aren't able to yet
that doesn't change the fact it's a nice goal

and if somebody comes up with a good "merit" system we can look at it
until then we are just going to throw a whole lot of things into the courts

you fire or don't giver a raise to a teacher based on some ill defined "merit" system and you are handing them a blank check (in court)... you can't defend something you don't have a defense (system) for!

that's only one of the issues...
ending the estate tax?
you know I don't necessarily disagree but if it's a good idea can't they just tell us why?
I was at a meeting with my representative and asked him about it... he gave me this shtick about how there are companies that close up shop and move their jobs out of state so they don't face the ohio estate tax (I would assume he's talking about sole ownership type companies?)

so... I asked him: since this is an issue... give me an example of ONE... just one of these companies that has done this... ever
he couldn't

again it's Rhetoric
it's not true
and many people in the middle understand that and are turned off by the party giving them the BS (flat lies really)

and the irony?
he had JUST given a talk about how environmental groups give you reasons not to support drilling or exploration but can't back it up with any facts...

too funny

lol!

[Big Mac]

Kasich is an idiot

[NBHS_1988]

Kasich is great.

[NBHS_1988]

Here is something that I do not understand.. why do some college professors need to belong to unions??

[Junior]

Just remember, that my tax dollars are paying your salaries.

and my spending pays yours, you are not my boss, you upset with your station do not try and convince yourself you have control, you are lost and the grown ups that work for society run the show, go cast your vote, go to the bar and bi!ch about this and that, then sit there and take it

[NBHS_1988]

Junior, your unions should not strike using my tax dollars.

[NBHS_1988]

Kasich can also do us a favor by eliminating the State of Ohio's Department of Education and get the NEA's influence away from our state's education.

[doublerods]

Business model doesn't work everywhere

[CrazyTurkey]

Junior, your unions should not strike using my tax dollars.

You are aware that when teachers strike, they don't get paid, correct? I suppose if it's worked into their contract they could draw from a strike fund, which incidentally, comes from dues that they pay. Our contract isn't set up that way. I love the people who continually tell us teachers that their tax dollars are paying my salary. That's funny. Because when you look at it, just because I'm a teacher doesn't mean I don't pay taxes also. So technically, I'm paying my own salary. The people who constantly complain about their tax dollars need to take a scenic vacation to a country that doesn't tax their population consistently and see if they would enjoy it better there. Bet there are some good deals going right now on airfare and overnight stay to Liberia or the Ivory Coast...

[HBC]

Junior, Nothing needed to teach me about SB5. I've read it, unlike most people complaining about it. If I get your meaning, don't tell me about "fair share." There's nothing fair about it and you still are forced to pay for political hacking to the OEA and NEA with it. No true football coaching American could possibly be for forced union membership if they have any intelligence at all.

[bethere]

Here is something that I do not understand.. why do some college professors need to belong to unions??

corporations/the state of ohio can sue us anytime they want, but it is is unamerican to, like, sue them in return? that's what my republican friends tell me is the best reason for voting for tort reform. corporations are a group of people aligned together for a common purpose while individuals would be barred from grouping together in a similar way in order to negotiate with these large organizations on a square footing?.

will the Chamber of commerce be banned from negotiating/lobbying on behalf of corporations? Nope,but you will be banned from doing the same.

so citizen's united says that corporations are individuals, except for when they want to be corporate.

and kasich says that individuals are individuals... lol. you are on your own buddy.

these issues don't make sense. you don't get mad about taxes when taxes are at a fifty-year historic low. you don't get mad about strikes when the public employee striking problem ended over twenty years ago. you don't need tort reform when the courts are stacked with republicans--the Ohio supreme court is ALL republican.

something else is at play here


the question shouldn't be why would a professor need to belong to a union, but rather:

1) "what moron would choose to fight a massive corporation or negotiate with the state of ohio as an individual? how many lawyers will you have to hire to fight the near infinite supply the corporation or state will throw at you?

"why do corporations and large governmental entities need to stack the deck in this regard?"

2) "why would you give the state or any large corporation this kind of power without reserving the same for the individual?"

when corporations/the state of Ohio voluntarily eschew lockouts or if they limit themselves to one lawyer per individual case i might become persuadable on this topic. until then i see them as seeking an unfair advantage, and you would be hard pressed to make a good argument otherwise. and why would a party which talks so much of individual liberties be in such a rush to needlessly empower the state?



thanks for listening.

[bethere]

Junior, your unions should not strike using my tax dollars.


all of this talk about public employee strikes and yet the last one in ohio was when?

i await your answer:

[Junior]

No true football coaching American could possibly be for forced union membership if they have any intelligence at all.

i look at it as if i am paying a small amount towards a lawyer, when some parent is not happy about some grade i gave their child, i wonder if you are starting a militia, DON'T TREAD ON ME hahahahaha

[big_tiger_fan1]

the governor is there to get rid of unions,he knows he will not be reelected,but his mission will be accompolished.im surprised the state employees let this happen so easy.the people behind this scam picked the right state to get tht ball rolling.

[bethere]

all of this talk about public employee strikes and yet the last one in ohio was when?

i await your answer:


there are over 800 public school districts in the state of ohio. there have been 9 teacher trikes in the last FIVE YEARS. please follow my math:

5 x 800 - 4000 school district years.

9 strikes in five years.

9/4000 = 0.00225

THE CHANCES OF YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT GOING ON STRIKE THIS YEAR?

those chances would be .225 percent.
or even better, there is a 99.8% chance that your district will NOT go out on strike.

SO HERE IS THE BIG QUESTION: IF IT IS THAT INSIGNIFICANT STATISTICALLY WHY WOULD WE BE TURNING THE WORLD UPSIDE-DOWN TO KEEP THESE STRIKES FROM HAPPENING?

[Lancer '65]

I think it's called paranoia. Plus it gives the Republicans something to use as a campaign "issue" with people that don't figure things out very well and depend on others to do it for them. I'm hoping that the American people are quite a bit smarter than that.

[bethere]

I think it's called paranoia. Plus it gives the Republicans something to use as a campaign "issue" with people that don't figure things out very well and depend on others to do it for them. I'm hoping that the American people are quite a bit smarter than that.

when all of this is over "D's" like me will be happy to discuss policy with people such as yourself. conservatism, isn't the problem here--craziness and political opportunism are.

when, may i ask, had you finally had enough?

[Junior]

[QUOTE=bethere;5113625]there are over 800 public school districts in the state of ohio. there have been 9 teacher trikes in the last FIVE YEARS. please follow my math:

5 x 800 - 4000 school district years.

9 strikes in five years.

9/4000 = 0.00225

THE CHANCES OF YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT GOING ON STRIKE THIS YEAR?

those chances would be .225 percent.
or even better, there is a 99.8% chance that your district will NOT go out on strike.

SO HERE IS THE BIG QUESTION: IF IT IS THAT INSIGNIFICANT STATISTICALLY WHY WOULD WE BE TURNING THE WORLD UPSIDE-DOWN TO KEEP THESE STRIKES FROM HAPPENING?[/QUOTE

data can be skewed, once he takes away union power the anti is upped

[Cover4]

Why would you want to strike when you make 70,000 a year, full benefits that don't cost you a dime, 5 hr work day, holidays off, long summer break, 2 weeks off in December, need i go on?

[tcsoup]

Kasich just doubled the amount of Voucher's for the State of Ohio from 30,000 to 61,000. I believe his message is loud and clear to Poor Performance school districts. Either get with the programs and quit making excuses or lose Students and Tax monies to those who can and will provide proper educational results.
Hope that rings loud and clear to the Cols. Public School District and their joke of a Superintendent.

[bethere]

Kasich just doubled the amount of Voucher's for the State of Ohio from 30,000 to 61,000. I believe his message is loud and clear to Poor Performance school districts. Either get with the programs and quit making excuses or lose Students and Tax monies to those who can and will provide proper educational results.
Hope that rings loud and clear to the Cols. Public School District and their joke of a Superintendent.

the unions just filed 1.3 million signatures, and their message should be even clearer.

[tcsoup]

To keep things SOS . That will help the future of Ohio's Education.

"We have to protect our phony baloney jobs "

The Gov. Of Rock Ridge.

[Walking Boss]

SO HERE IS THE BIG QUESTION: IF IT IS THAT INSIGNIFICANT STATISTICALLY WHY WOULD WE BE TURNING THE WORLD UPSIDE-DOWN TO KEEP THESE STRIKES FROM HAPPENING?

They haven't had to strike, because they've been given everything they asked for on a silver platter. The prohibition against striking is a very small part of SB5.

Also, I'm not sure how you describe SB5 as "turning the world upside down"?!? Really?!?