Division 1 Region 3 Preview/Predictions

[the_guru_CO]

Figured I would start a thread since there is a good amount of Central Ohio posters on this site. If interest, post a preview and predictions for your team. Inlcude Key players, schedule, and any other information you might want. Lets please keep it civil though!! I will start it off with my Lancaster preview later tonight.

[Walking Boss]

Guru: Thanks for getting one started. Here are some good end of year reviews/next year previews. They talk about key players lost, key players returning, etc.:

Gahanna
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/gahanna/stories/2010/11/17/sports/lions-3-0-finish-seen-as-turning-point.html?sid=104

Pick North
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/gahanna/stories/2010/11/17/sports/lions-3-0-finish-seen-as-turning-point.html?sid=104

Grove City
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/gahanna/stories/2010/11/17/sports/lions-3-0-finish-seen-as-turning-point.html?sid=104

Reynoldsburgh
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/reynoldsburg/stories/2010/11/10/sports/lack-of-depth-hurt-raiders-in-league-play.html?sid=104

Westland
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/west/stories/2010/11/06/sports/cougars-learned-valuable-lessons.html?sid=104

Thomas Worthington
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/worthington/stories/2010/11/10/sports/cards-not-down-about-finishing.html?sid=104

Worthington Kilbourne
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/worthington/stories/2010/11/10/sports/injuries-took-toll-on-kilbourne.html?sid=104

Dublin Coffman
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/dublin/stories/2010/11/17/sports/going-8-3-not-good-enough-for-coffman.html?sid=104

Hilliard Darby
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/hilliard/stories/2010/11/10/sports/younger-panthers-cant-match-2007-playoff-run.html?sid=104

Upper Arlington
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/upperarlington/stories/2010/11/17/sports/golden-promises-playoffs-in-11.html?sid=104

Central Crossing
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/upperarlington/stories/2010/11/17/sports/golden-promises-playoffs-in-11.html?sid=104

Hilliard Davidson
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/hilliard/stories/2010/12/08/sports/davidson-rallied.html?sid=104

Westerville North
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/westerville/stories/2010/11/10/sports/north-has-high-expectations-for-offseason.html?sid=104

Westerville Central
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/westerville/stories/2010/11/10/sports/injuries-derailed-hopes.html?sid=104

Olentangy Liberty Fixed link on 2/20/2011
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/olentangy/stories/2010/11/10/sports/libertys-disappointment-eased-by-win-over-south.html?sid=104


Marysville
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/marysville/stories/2010/11/13/sports/boys-soccer-coach-lauds-senior-class.html?sid=104

Westerville South
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/westerville/stories/2010/11/23/sports/wildcats-learned-from-loss-in-opener.html?sid=104

[Walking Boss]

Here's my two cents. I will assume that re-bracketing will have a minor impact on R3. There will be some moves, but I don't see it impacting the top tier teams. I've heard Worthington Kilbourne is going to move down to D2/R7. I suppose there is a chance that Marion Franklin moves UP, they were on the cusp last time around if I recall correctly. I think there is some possibility of R3 losing a couple of teams to R2. The regions were already unbalanced as it was, and I think several of the Toledo area teams were expected to drop to DII, which would leave R2 even more short teams. I think Springfield will likely stay in R3 because the only other logical spot is R4 and they are already loaded and very tight geographically. Though I suppose it is possible that both Troy or Springfield go to R2. Lima Sr. as well. Anyway, I'll assume they're staying for purposes of discussion.

Last year I predicted a power shift from the NW side of Columbus to the SE corner. Specifically from the OCC Central to the OCC Ohio. It was looking that way early, but some crazy final weeks of the season and a surging Hilliard Darby left Lancaster, Groveport, and Pick North on the outside looking in, and it was the NW side that got 3 into the post-season (HD, HD, and DC).

I think 2011 will more fully reflect my prediction from last year. I think the OCC Ohio will push to get 3 into the playoffs. I think Pick Central and Lancaster will be in for sure, and I think the best of Gahanna, Pick North, and Grove City will challenge for a 3rd spot. On the NW side, I think Darby and Davidson will fight it out for the OCC Central title, with UA fighting for 3rd and possible playoff spot. I think Coffman will continue their slide. That could change if the rumors of Denny transferring over from Groveport. the Rocks will still be depleted, but could still go 7-3 with a that kind of QB and their light schedule. Westerville South will be down, IMHO, but could still run through the Cardinal relatively unscathed and finish 8-2. Liberty could be another challenger for a Playoff spot, or possibly the better of Liberty and Marysville (if the Cardinal is able to get 2 teams in). Springfield is a great bet to get in if they don't move regions, their challenge will be a daunting schedule (if it is anything like last years).

My playoff 8, as of today, would be: Pick Central, Hilliard Darby, Lancaster, Hilliard Davidson, Springfield, Westerville South, Gahanna, and Liberty.

Golden at UA promised the playoffs in '11 after missing in '09 and '10, but I think their schedule will be simply too brutal. They will open Tri-Valley, Springfield, and Gahanna. They will then have to face both Davidson and Darby in the division. They could maybe drop three of those games and still get in the playoffs, but they would have to beat both Kilbourne and Coffman (who will only be so-so) to make the playoffs. They have to travel to Tri-Valley, who return a ton of people I understand. I don't think they have what it takes to beat Springfield, so they would have to hope for a Springfield meltdown to win in Week 2. Wk 3 vs. gahanna could be huge in determining the lower four seeds in R3. I would think the winner of that old school matchup would have an inside track on one of the 5-8 slots.

194 days to kickoff. R U ready for some football?

[knight43210]

Boss, I'm not sure if anyone else is having a problem, but I can't pull up any of your preview links.

[Walking Boss]

Boss, I'm not sure if anyone else is having a problem, but I can't pull up any of your preview links.

Knight: Thanks. Not sure what happened, but they all broke. I wented and re-pasted them. They should work now.

[knight43210]

Very good assessment Boss. I also agree R3 is down significantly as a region. I see Pick Central coming out on top in the Ohio Div. I give Lancaster the edge over Gahanna and Pick North.
Denny will be staying at Groveport, although some of his team mates are transfering or already have.
This could be Darbys year in the Central. Darby, Davidson and Upper Arlington are the normal contenders and all very well could make the playoffs.
Westerville South is benefiting from those Groveport transfers and lord knows who else in the Westerville school district.
It's going to be interesting to see who some of the early season match ups will be.

[Walking Boss]

Denny will be staying at Groveport.

Thanks for the info. That is very bad news for Coffman.

This could be Darbys year in the Central.

I think Darby could very well head into the final with Davidson undefeated. They lost some key players, but return a deep team (likewise Davidson). Darby has an extremly soft non-conference schedule of Whetstone (I believe), Jerome, and Newark, not to mention 3 OCC central cake walks. They'll be starting the season with 6 wins effectively. They will definitely be favored over WKHS and Coffman this year and likely UA, as well. It will all come down to their matchup with Big Brother (Davidson), in week 10. This one will have extra meaning since Darby is leaving the OCC Central for the Cardinal in '12.

Westerville South is benefiting from those Groveport transfers and lord knows who else in the Westerville school district.


Well said. Rocky's travelling all-stars keep growing....and growing...and growing.

[lonewolf12]

What is the connection with Groveport kids leaving and headig to other places? i.e. Coffman and Westerville South

[TrojanFever]

Always seems like wishful thinking on here that Coffman will be down... Year after year Coffman continues to be successful, what is the reasoning to think they are going to be down? If you are considering Coffman being "down" as meaning they might go 7-3 or 8-2, heck I'll take that all day.

I am not strictly a Coffman fan, I really have no connection to any team around here, just a high school football fan. My take is that it will be the usual suspects with a couple surprises ( I.e. Darby last year). In no particular order here is who I think will make the playoffs: Davidson, Coffman, W.S., P.C., O.L., Grove City, Darby, toss up.

[Steelboys]

Thanks for the info. That is very bad news for Coffman.



Rocky's travelling all-stars keep growing....and growing...and growing.

How many Transfers are we talking about? It's not like 10 or 12 come every year. Some kids are probably transferring to play football, but isn't that true for just about every major football power in the area.

What is the connection with Groveport kids leaving and headig to other places? i.e. Coffman and Westerville South


What Groveport Kids are you talking about? The only ONE is Jalen Bell. The reason that he transferred is because is family brought a home in Westerville, and that house just happened to be in South's district. Two blocks South and he would be attending Westerville Central.

[Walking Boss]

What Groveport Kids are you talking about? The only ONE is Jalen Bell. The reason that he transferred is because is family brought a home in Westerville, and that house just happened to be in South's district. Two blocks South and he would be attending Westerville Central.

Unless he signed up for the IB program, then he could live anywhere in Westerville, right? ;).

Long time, no hear. Good to have you back in the fold Steel.

[Walking Boss]

Always seems like wishful thinking on here that Coffman will be down... Year after year Coffman continues to be successful, what is the reasoning to think they are going to be down? If you are considering Coffman being "down" as meaning they might go 7-3 or 8-2, heck I'll take that all day.

Not wishful thinking. My prediction is based upon pretty intimate knowledge of the program. I predicted 7-3 last year, with the possibility of missing the playoffs. They finished 8-3 and only wished they missed the playoffs after Peanut Jackson hung 6-hundo on them in 2 games. They've missed the playoffs as recently as '08 and '05. They occassionally have very strong teams, like the '07 and '09 versions. Quite simply, however, they have not had the dominant sustained runs that teams like Davidson or Pick Central have had, IMHO, they do not "reload" every year, should not be content at 7-3 given their resources and predictably soft-schedules. Just my opinion.

[pittsteeler58]

It is humorous to hear people criticize Westerville South for recruiting or receiving an abnormal amount of gridiron standouts. There are a few other central Ohio schools that always seem to magically have a number of student-athletes move into or rent an apartment in their district. Keep up the stellar work OHSAA. Best wishes to all!

[HistoryBuff]

I think that you also have to consider all the levy's and such that could impact football this fall.

Gahanna will be instituting Pay to Play if their levy fails in May. How will pay to play affect a district that has never had that before?

Pickerington will be instituting a very high Pay to play fee. I doubt that will hurt Central with their strong numbers but what effect will that have on North, a team that is just now reaching the top level.

Olentangy Schools have said that if their levy fails in May, they will cancel all sports. I highly doubt that and believe that that is just a threat to get the levy passed, BUT what if it is true? Where will the top Olentangy players go? Would the Dublins, Worthington's (especially Kilbourne), Westerville's and Big Walnut gain as a result of kids transfering or moving in? Would DeSales and Watterson gain even more?

All of those questions are out there.

[TrojanFever]

Walking boss, I agree that Coffman has not had the same kind of "sustained" run comparable to Davidson, but what is the difference between them and Pick C (as far as records go) ? Pick C has a better record the past 5 years, but their division of the Occ is not as strong as Coffmans ( I'd take the top 4 from the central vs. The top 4 from the Ohio the last 5 years all day every day). Coffman also dismantled Pick C in 2007 in the playoffs.

Don't get me wrong, Pick C is a strong program who I believe will very good again this year, but to act like they have been a powerhouse and Coffman hasn't, is negligent. Davidson is the only team with a long " sustained run". If I am not mistaken Pick C has been to one D1 final four in the past 5 years, same as Coffman.

[Walking Boss]

Trojan: I'm not trying to talk Pick Central up, anyone who spends any time on the Huddle knows that there is probably not a bigger critic of the Tigers than me. At the same time, I try to be fair and objective. I'm also not trying to be a Coffman basher. I'm a Dublin guy, and I want them all 3 of them to do well.

A couple of points I would make. Since the playoffs expanded in '99, Central has missed the playoffs twice ('01 and '05). Coffman has missed the playoffs four times ('99, '00, '05, and '08). They both indeed have been R3 regional champs once each in the past five years, but during that same span, PC also not only won R7 but appeared in the State Title game ('06). So, while PC has not been in the class of Davidson, they have had a more impressive decade than Coffman, at least IMHO.

I don't have consolidated won/loss records during this time, but I have a hunch Central's is better during this time (where have you gone Joe Eitel?!?!). It is also worth noting that, at least in the very recent past, Pick Central has played a significantly tougher non-OCC schedule. Coffman is pretty notorious for taking a pretty light load non-OCC. It cost them the playoffs in fact, in '08.

As for the OCC Ohio vs. the OCC Central, I would say over time they are probably pretty comparable. Currently, I think the Ohio is stronger and I think its weakest team (Newark) could likely place 5th in the Central (in front of Westland, CC, and Thomas). On the other hand, the Central has definitely had more teams make the R3 final than the Ohio has. I believe, I could be wrong, that only Pick Central from the Ohio has made an R3 final in the past decade, whereas from the Central, Coffman, Davidson, Darby, UA, and Kilbourne all have.

Just my 2 cents. Feel free to disagree.

[longballhitter]

Interesting points, History. May election time will have a huge impact. I will hold all discussion until then and really until August when the dust settles. As I have said in other threads, the 'transient athlete' could be numerous and impacting this off season.

[Steelboys]

Unless he signed up for the IB program, then he could live anywhere in Westerville, right? ;).

Long time, no hear. Good to have you back in the fold Steel.

That IB program is a giant loophole I will concede that fact, But there are school boundries. I also think that there is a one year sit out rule in Westerville Schools if you transfer from one High School to another in Westerville, I'm not 100% sure if that was just talk around the locker room or what, but I am trying to get verification from a coach or AD. The reason I say this is because last spring a Top TE was supposedly transferring to Westerville South and was informed about the rule and then decided to stay put. Now I don't know if he was seriously considering transferring but I did see him with my own eyes at WS on several occassions last spring..... Great to be back Boss

[knight43210]

I don't feel the failure of any levy will have any short term impact on any of the programs unless they opt to cancel sports all together. Levy failure or not, Gahanna will still have a strong program. Parents don't move out of a district based purely on pay to play amounts. The quality of the athletic programs and academics are their primary concerns.

[OneTiger]

I don't feel the failure of any levy will have any short term impact on any of the programs unless they opt to cancel sports all together. Levy failure or not, Gahanna will still have a strong program. Parents don't move out of a district based purely on pay to play amounts. The quality of the athletic programs and academics are their primary concerns.

knight.......if you hear anything about the new(Pickerington) pay-to-participate cost let me know,pm or post it here. As the father of an upcoming athlete I would appreciate it. I agree on the moving thing. The cost of moving verses a couple more hundred for sports is no comparison. We'll know alot more when the school funding report comes out this spring.:cool:

[longballhitter]

Knight and Onetiger I agree with your statements. The varsity program will not be affected next year.
My point isn't that existing residents will move out, it is that potential move-ins that are in the younger grades will be discouraged by the large $$$ it will cost to participate. Those people will move to other districts. If the Levy does not pass and PTP is extended a year or two beyond, the impact will become more drastic.

[knight43210]

Knight and Onetiger I agree with your statements. The varsity program will not be affected next year.
My point isn't that existing residents will move out, it is that potential move-ins that are in the younger grades will be discouraged by the large $$$ it will cost to participate. Those people will move to other districts. If the Levy does not pass and PTP is extended a year or two beyond, the impact will become more drastic.

There's no doubt over the long haul it will have an impact if the levies continue to get turned down.

[galeron]

Guru, you promised a Lancaster preview later in the day on 2/13. Have I missed something because I havent seen that preview. I see on the Pickerington thread that they are probably scheduling a bye again the third week so that mean two weeks off again befor playing Lancaster. I am not trying to get anything started but 1 year I can accept that you just couldnt find anyone to schedule but two years in a row. Lancaster was open week 3 and found an opponent. I realize if you play on Labor Day that is a Monday but seems you could play that next week on Saturday.

[knight43210]

galeron, the way I understood it was Lancaster had initially opted for a 3rd week bye, then decided to schedule a home game for financial reasons. Trust me going over a week without Tiger football is a major bummer, but I totally understand their reasoning behind it.

[ADG]

I am a little surprised with all the Darby talk, they had a nice run last year but in the games they lost, they were out-manned. Coffman turned it over twice in the red zone in the first half & was the main reason why the game was close. Davidson & Springfield both were more athletic & physical. I think UA will be pushing Davidson & Coffman in the conference this year & all 3 will most likely end up in the playoffs

[OneTiger]

Guru, you promised a Lancaster preview later in the day on 2/13. Have I missed something because I havent seen that preview. I see on the Pickerington thread that they are probably scheduling a bye again the third week so that mean two weeks off again befor playing Lancaster. I am not trying to get anything started but 1 year I can accept that you just couldnt find anyone to schedule but two years in a row. Lancaster was open week 3 and found an opponent. I realize if you play on Labor Day that is a Monday but seems you could play that next week on Saturday.

So you'll have 7 days off before the PC/Lanc. game and we'll have 11. Does it really bother you that much Galeron? Is that why last year was so lopsided?:(

[galeron]

No that is not why it was so lopsided. You are just full of class. No we just got beat by a better team than we were. The difference in you and any other reasonable person is that I can admit you were a better team. Unlike just the year before when we beat you and you are still crying about the refereeing at Fulton Field. I would think if you are such a huge Tiger fan you would want to see a full schedule instead of taking a bye every year.

[Walking Boss]

I am a little surprised with all the Darby talk, they had a nice run last year but in the games they lost, they were out-manned. Coffman turned it over twice in the red zone in the first half & was the main reason why the game was close. Davidson & Springfield both were more athletic & physical. I think UA will be pushing Davidson & Coffman in the conference this year & all 3 will most likely end up in the playoffs

ADG: Darby was still very young, starting many Sophs and Juniors last year. They lose some key players, but return A LOT of experience. The biggest factor in my 'bullishness' for them, however, is their schedule. They are starting next season with 6 wins. They also enter the season with more talent than Coffman and Kilbourne, IMHO. So unless they 'step in it', they're good for a sure 8 wins. I'm not fully on board with the rebirth of UA yet, but I think that might be a good game. I think Davidson loses more talent this June than Darby does, and next year's HD-HD game is at Darby. Things line up very well for them to go 8-2 or 9-1. I would place them as 1 of 3 "locks" to make the playoffs in '11 (with PC and Davidson). Not because I think they are one of the best 3 teams in R3, but instead because of the way the schedule falls out. IMHO, they are the '11 equivalent of Westerville South in '10. A good team, with a cerainty of making the playoffs due to schedule (I caught lots of flak last year for listing South as a pre-season 'lock').

I guess I'd add that only Springfield blew Darby out last year and Darby was pretty decimated by injuries by that time.

I'd love to hear why you think Coffman will be up there? [please offer something more than "reloading"]

[OneTiger]

No that is not why it was so lopsided. You are just full of class. No we just got beat by a better team than we were. The difference in you and any other reasonable person is that I can admit you were a better team. Unlike just the year before when we beat you and you are still crying about the refereeing at Fulton Field. I would think if you are such a huge Tiger fan you would want to see a full schedule instead of taking a bye every year.

Go back 6-8 months and see if you can find a single thing I said about the fulton Field Fiasco of "09". I attended two games there this year and had zero problems with the refs. That situation has been addressed and handled by the OHSAA, as noted by several comments gales fans made this year. Central took a bye last year after two high profile games and may do the same this year. Are you shallow enough to consider that "every year"? No need to answer, its fairly obvious.:eek:

[ADG]

My opinion on Coffman is based Crabtree's 10 year record and also knowing a lot of the players they have in the pipeline. They return a good nucleus of players on both sides of the ball and the rising junior class is deep and athletic. I also think that UA's senior class is really strong they have won a lot of games coming up through middle school and many of then will be on their 3rd year starting varsity. As usually the Central will come down to whoever best runs through the Coffman, Darby, Davidson & UA gauntlet

[Clearance McGee]

[QUOTE=Walking Boss;5060245]Trojan: I'm not trying to talk Pick Central up, anyone who spends any time on the Huddle knows that there is probably not a bigger critic of the Tigers than me. At the same time, I try to be fair and objective. I'm also not trying to be a Coffman basher. I'm a Dublin guy, and I want them all 3 of them to do well.

LOL. You're obviously bitter towards Coffman and take back handed shots at them any chance you get. I'm guessing one of those Scioto fans (not all of them are like this) that gets angry at the thought of Coffman.

[Walking Boss]

LOL. You're obviously bitter towards Coffman and take back handed shots at them any chance you get. I'm guessing one of those Scioto fans (not all of them are like this) that gets angry at the thought of Coffman.

Clarence: You're wrong on multiple levels. I am a Dublin-first guy. Due to my roots in the community and my involvement with the kids from DFL on up, I cheer for all of them each Friday. I also take in several of each of their games each fall. You are correct that Scioto is more of a favorite of mine than the others, but I hold no ill-will or bitterness toward Coffman. I have no reason to. BTW, Scioto holds a 4-2 edge over Coffman on the gridiron and will pad that total, IMHO, in '12 & '13 when the two meet again (this based upon what Davis has put through the pipeline in recent years vs. what Sells/Karrer have produced).

While I hold no animus or ill-will toward Coffman, I find high comedy in the casual Huddler (and occasionally even Huddles’ editorial staff) that seek to perpetuate the myth that Coffman “reloads” every year. My original contention, which I still stand by, was that Coffman does not “reload” and should not be mentioned along with Davidson or Pick Central in this regard. I’ve highlighted the fact that in the past decade, Coffman has missed the playoffs twice as many times as Central and that Central has made a deeper run in the playoffs as well. Since you seem content to lob generic grenades and levy charges of “bitterness” and “back handed shots”, I will endeavor to educate you with more FACTs.

In the past decade, by my count, Central (FKA Pickerington HS), is 101-19. They have had 7 seasons with 10+ wins and only 1 season with more than 2 losses. In that same time, Coffman is 87-28, they have had only 3 seasons of 10+ wins and have lost more than 2 games 7 times. Coffman has had 3 outstanding seasons in this decade. Two of those seasons (’07 and ’09) have happened in the very recent past. I think you, like many have let the ’07 and ’09 teams (and the handful of high profile recruits and NFL players) cloud your objective analysis of the Coffman program.

If you have any facts of your own you care to present, I’d love to hear them. If you are just going to toss around cheap and unsubstantiated insults, I have no use for you and would sooner tag with the ignore button than waste any time on your piffle.

[Clearance McGee]

Boss - You absolutely can not post anything about Coffman without taking a shot at them.

Here's a fact for you, Coffman has been in the D1 Regional Final 5 of the last 10 seasons, winning two of those. How many D1 teams have put up those numbers in the last 10 seasons? That is consistency and would suggest that they do, indeed reload. Your predictions of Coffman's demise should be taken with a grain of salt considering last summer you were saying the 2010 team would not make the playoffs and would not be the best team in Dublin. Be careful predicting Scioto success based on Davis wins. The class of kids at Scioto that just wrapped up their Senior season dominated Karrer and Sells on their way through middle school.

[dbarnian]

My top 8 as of right now from what i've been reading and know would be...
1. Pick Central
2. Hilliard Davidson
3. Hilliard Darby
4. Pick North
5. Lancaster
6. Westerville South
7. Springfield....I heard their best player will not be playing for them next season?? If so that could be a big enough blow for them to not make the playoffs.
8. Coffman...I think they'll be down next season but will still be good enough to sneak in the playoffs.

[Walking Boss]

Here's a fact for you, Coffman has been in the D1 Regional Final 5 of the last 10 seasons, winning two of those. How many D1 teams have put up those numbers in the last 10 seasons? That is consistency and would suggest that they do, indeed reload.

Two of those 5 appearances were prior to the opening of Dublin Jerome, so while they certainly can't be discounted, they are not illustrative of the recent past or the potential in the future. I will further not deny that, in isolation, the fact you present is impressive. However, combine the fact you present with the fact they they failed to make the playoffs 4x during the decade and the lay person would conclude that 'nearly' half the time Coffman doesn't make the playoffs at all, but when they do make the playoffs, they make a deep run. Fine. Factual statement. Hardly my definition of "reloading", unless one means "reloads...every other year", which I don't think is the Commonly accepted definition.

Your predictions of Coffman's demise should be taken with a grain of salt considering last summer you were saying the 2010 team would not make the playoffs and would not be the best team in Dublin.

In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan, "There you go again". You are absolutely incorrect. I listed Coffman in the "likely" category of my R3 2010 playoff prediction thread when I originally posted it in June and again when I made my final revisions in August. Please get your facts straight. I did say that, IMO, a 7-3 type season was likely and that they might miss the playoffs like they did as recently as '08. Remember, at that time, there were others (including our Managing Editor) who were calling Coffman a favorite to win R3. They were a failed 2-pt conversion at Darby away from my prediction being precisely correct. In addition, in Tigerblast's weekly pick'em, I correctly picked every Coffman win and loss with the exception of the Darby game. That is pretty darn good and pretty darn objective, IMHO.

I'm also not ready to concede that Coffman was the best team in Dublin last year and/or that they would have beaten Jerome. Vs. common opponents, they both beat Liberty by 10 points and Jerome lost to Darby by 4 whereas Coffman beat Darby by one. As an aside, Scioto's only common opponents as Coffman were virtually identical. They too beat Liberty by 10 and they beat Kilbourne 31-14 whereas Coffman beat them 38-14. Hard for me to call that clear and compelling evidence that Coffman was better. And I sincerely hope you don't mean to imply that since Coffman made the playoffs in (a weak) R3 that makes them "better" than Jerome & /Scioto last year who missed the playoffs in a very competitive R7. From your posts, you appear 'limited', but I hope you are not [I]that limited.

Be careful predicting Scioto success based on Davis wins.

I'm not basing it on Davis wins, I'm basing it on what I know of the kids.

In closing, I'm pretty well done rehashing this cr@p with you as I think I've proven my point. Since this thread isn't about Coffman's decade, I'm not going to say anything more about Coffman unless it has to do with how they will do in '11. I predict another 3 losses for them, and a seeding of 6, 7, or 8 for them, if they make the playoffs at (it is statistically probable that they won't make it, since they made it last year). I'd love to hear from you why you think they'll do better than that.

[Walking Boss]

They return a good nucleus of players on both sides of the ball and the rising junior class is deep and athletic.

I agree with you, on the point about the Junior class. I think they will be very strong in '12. I think it is difficult, in DI to have an outstanding run on a team dominated by Juniors, developmentally it is just difficult IMHO. That is one reason why I am not as bullish on Coffman in '11 as others appear to be.

[Walking Boss]

My top 8 as of right now from what i've been reading and know would be...
1. Pick Central
2. Hilliard Davidson
3. Hilliard Darby
4. Pick North
5. Lancaster
6. Westerville South
7. Springfield....I heard their best player will not be playing for them next season?? If so that could be a big enough blow for them to not make the playoffs.
8. Coffman...I think they'll be down next season but will still be good enough to sneak in the playoffs.

Dbarn: Very good to have you back. Our playoff outlooks are very similar, both in terms of content and general order. That reassures me, because you generally know your stuff. Appears that you are more bullish Pick North and Coffman than I am. I have Gahanna and Liberty making it instead of those two, but we're pretty close.

Who is Springfield losing? If it Young, they are in bad shape.

[dbarnian]

Dbarn: Very good to have you back. Our playoff outlooks are very similar, both in terms of content and general order. That reassures me, because you generally know your stuff. Appears that you are more bullish Pick North and Coffman than I am. I have Gahanna and Liberty making it instead of those two, but we're pretty close.

Who is Springfield losing? If it Young, they are in bad shape.

From what I hear they are losing George Walker #5. I'm pretty sure it's true but not 100% sure. I don't think DC will be that good next season too but I think they'll find a way to get in. Gahanna was playing their best ball of the season last year the last couple weeks and if that carries over into this season I agree with you they'll make the playoffs. I don't really know a lot Liberty but that win last season over WS the last game of the season was very impressive. Can't wait!!! Love reading your posts Boss!!

[Kill0331]

I know the Cruisers return right around 16 starters from last years squad. I'm 85% positive they return 9 on the offensive side of the ball.


I will have more in the next week or so. Sorry for the disappearance but I moved up to Grand Forks, North Dakota.

[galeron]

I dont know who Groveport returns but I will say this, if they return 16 starters from that team last year, they will be tough to handle. They were very talented last year and was unfortunate to catch Lancaster on an emotional night when they had just lost a coach. On that night very few teams would have beat Lancaster. I was very impressed with Groveport's QB. He took a beating that night and just kept coming back for more. I think people may be overlooking them if they return that many starters.

[knight43210]

Does anyone know who the top teams non-conference match ups are?

I have:

Pick Central: Moeller-Camden County(GA)-Bye
Davidson:
Darby:
Lancaster: Logan-Mason-Twinsburg
Westerville S.:
Gahanna:
Pick North:
Springfield:
Coffman:
O Liberty:
U Arlington:

[HistoryBuff]

Pick Central: Moeller-Camden County(GA)-Bye
Davidson: Grove City,
Darby: Whetstone, Dublin Jerome, Newark
Lancaster: Logan-Mason-Twinsburg
Westerville S.: Groveport, @ Dublin Coffman, @ Grove City
Gahanna: @ DeSales, Strongsville, @ Upper Arlington
Pick North: @ Logan, Northland
Springfield: @ Upper Arlington, Cincinnat Sycamore
Coffman: Olentangy Liberty, Westerville South, @ Massillon Perry
O Liberty: @ Dublin Coffman, Delaware Hayes,
U Arlington: @ Tri-Valley, Springfield, Gahanna Lincoln
Lancaster: Logan, @ Mason, Twinsburg
Grove City: @ Hilliard Davidson, Canal Winchester, Westerville South

[HistoryBuff]

I don't feel the failure of any levy will have any short term impact on any of the programs unless they opt to cancel sports all together. Levy failure or not, Gahanna will still have a strong program. Parents don't move out of a district based purely on pay to play amounts. The quality of the athletic programs and academics are their primary concerns.

Local Gahanna paper reports that the Pay to Play fee will be $200 per athlete regardless of whether the levy passes. If the levy passes, they will institute a family & multi sport cap. If the levy fails, no cap.

Seems like a reasonable fee that won't impact them too much.

http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/gahanna/stories/2011/02/16/district-unveils-new-pay-to-play-fees-cuts.html?sid=104

[knight43210]

Pick Central: Moeller-Camden County(GA)-Bye
Davidson: Grove City,
Darby: Whetstone, Dublin Jerome, Newark
Lancaster: Logan-Mason-Twinsburg
Westerville S.: Groveport, @ Dublin Coffman, @ Grove City
Gahanna: @ DeSales, Strongsville, @ Upper Arlington
Pick North: @ Logan, Northland
Springfield: @ Upper Arlington, Cincinnat Sycamore
Coffman: Olentangy Liberty, Westerville South, @ Massillon Perry
O Liberty: @ Dublin Coffman, Delaware Hayes,
U Arlington: @ Tri-Valley, Springfield, Gahanna Lincoln
Lancaster: Logan, @ Mason, Twinsburg
Grove City: @ Hilliard Davidson, Canal Winchester, Westerville South

Thanks HistoryBuff.

[Walking Boss]

From what I hear they are losing George Walker #5. I'm pretty sure it's true but not 100% sure. I don't think DC will be that good next season too but I think they'll find a way to get in. Gahanna was playing their best ball of the season last year the last couple weeks and if that carries over into this season I agree with you they'll make the playoffs. I don't really know a lot Liberty but that win last season over WS the last game of the season was very impressive. Can't wait!!! Love reading your posts Boss!!

dbarn: Walker is what I meant to say, I was think George "Young" for some reason?!? I think he was a former GM for the NY Giants or something:confused:. Anyway, yes, that would be a crushing blow for Springfield. He was Mr. Do-Everything, run, catch, return, throw. I think he even played D. Have you heard what he's doing/where he is going? I hope its not another Maurice Douglas recruiting job at Trotwood.

And as for Liberty, I really don't know anything particularly great about them, but I thought I had heard that they were returning most of their O-line (4 starters), top receiver, and a solid RB. That is always a great way to start a HS football season. I will qualify that prediction with the fact that Marysville might be decent enough to sneak in. I don't think both Liberty and Marysville can make it out of the Cardinal, but I think the winner might have a good shot for a lower seed (especially if Northland, Troy, and SPringfield don't snag 3 spots again).

187 days to kickoff, almost past the half-way point...

[Walking Boss]

I know the Cruisers return right around 16 starters from last years squad. I'm 85% positive they return 9 on the offensive side of the ball.

I will have more in the next week or so. Sorry for the disappearance but I moved up to Grand Forks, North Dakota.

Stay warm, Kill. You're probably pining for Spring more than most of it. I appreciate the Cruiser updates, because there is normally 'radio silence' on them and it always seems like a big unknown factor leading up until the season starts. I understand they lost Bell, but kept Denny. Denny should be good for a few wins on his own. There is going to be a solid pack of teams in the OCC Ohio below Central and Lancaster and above Newark and the 'Burg. That should be a meat grinding watching Groveport, Grove City, Pick North, and Gahanna chew each other up....

[knight43210]

After looking at all the non-conference schedules, the one that stood out the most to me is Coffmans. Olentangy Liberty, Westerville South, @ Massillon Perry(an up and coming program), then Davidson, Darby and U. Arlington in conference play. This could very well be a 5-5 or 6-4 season for them. If they do find a way to make it into the playoffs, they will definitely have earned it.

[knight43210]

I know the Cruisers return right around 16 starters from last years squad. I'm 85% positive they return 9 on the offensive side of the ball.


I will have more in the next week or so. Sorry for the disappearance but I moved up to Grand Forks, North Dakota.

I feel for you Kill. I spent 2 yrs in N. Dakota. Block heaters are standard accessories on your vehicles. 50-60 below wind chills. When the temps hit 30 you'll see everyone walking around in t-shirts and shorts.

As far as Groveport goes. The exodus of players isn't over with yet. There are some leadership issues that should have been addressed but was ignored.

[Kill0331]

I feel for you Kill. I spent 2 yrs in N. Dakota. Block heaters are standard accessories on your vehicles. 50-60 below wind chills. When the temps hit 30 you'll see everyone walking around in t-shirts and shorts.

As far as Groveport goes. The exodus of players isn't over with yet. There are some leadership issues that should have been addressed but was ignored.

Yah this is my 2 time living up here so I know all about the fun. We still have 3 to 4 foot of snow.

[pittsteeler58]

Boss- better be careful counting the "burg" out. They may be better than people think.

[Walking Boss]

Boss- better be careful counting the "burg" out. They may be better than people think.

Pitt: I'm one of the bigger 'Burg backers you'll find on the Huddle. I was extremely excited to hear they pulled the trigger on Buddy White. I do believe the Raiders will make some noise this year. I also believe they could possibly impact the playoff picture by upsetting someone that can't afford a Loss and knocking them out of the playoffs. However, I think I am in good company when I say that Buddy is great coach, nearly the perfect match for what the 'Burg needs, but that he is not a miracle worker and it will take some time for him to get the Raiders in contention. That's just MHO. I would love to be proven wrong this year.

[knight43210]

The rumor mill is alive and well. The latest rumor has Davidson possibly playing in the Herbstreit Classic.

[the_guru_CO]

Sorry guys. Work got crazy and havent had time to get a new preview up like I said. Here it is finally.

Lancaster returns 8 starters on offense and 3 on defense. They also bring back their kicker. Non league games are Logan, Mason and Twinsburg.

Offense
Should be smashmouth at its finest!! Return the same o-line (pretty much) and West at FB. Wing backs will be the question. Here is my take on next years line up.

QB - Theiss 6'1 185 JR - Great running QB! Throwing was questionable last year. Good thing we trhow 4 times a game.
FB - West 5'8 220 SR - Returning Starter. Looked like a beast in wrestling
WB - Meadows 6'0 185 SR- Looked good in limited time, needs to step up
WB - King 5'9 205?? JR who is playing this year after not playing last year.
WR - Sharpe 6'3 190 JR - Returning starter. Played basketball
TE - Reliford 6'2 220 SR - Started 5 games when Mcclurg was hurt
T- Hartranft - 5'10 260 SR - Started as soph, ineligible last year
G- Graves - 6'0 235 JR - Returning starter. Might be the best OL we got
C - Happenney - 5'10 220 SR - 2 year Starter. Wrestler
G - Francis - 6'2 275 SR - 2 year starter.
T - Miller - 6'1 265 SR - Returning starter. Won sectionals in wrestling

Also include since we use alot of 2 TE's
TE- Thomas 6'5 200 JR Played basektball

Defense
Should be very good up front! Secondary who knows?

DE - Woosley 6'5 250 SR - 1st team All Central District last year
DT - McClurg 6'0 220 SR - Moves to defense. Tough kid!
DT - Kirchgessner 6'0 240 JR - Big, mobile player
DE - Dexter 6'1 220 So - Trust me, will be All State by junior year, played alot as a Freshman
LB - Roberts 6'3 230 SR - 1st team All Central District last year. Already offered by BG
LB - Schooley 6'0 200 SR - Looks good. Gained alot of muscle already
LB - Thompson 6'2 205 SR - Played DE/LB last year in limited time
CB - Boyer 5'11 150 JR or Doughty 6'0 150 JR??
CB - Thompson 5'10 160 SO or Theiss?? Sharp?? Meadows??
FS - Jones 5'9 175 SR - Returning Starter. Will lead the secondary
SS - Bowman 5'9 180 JR - Solid Player who will hit and tackle


Other players to watch for include Boggs-OL, Shisler-WB and Funk-LB. I would expect to see Jones, Woosley & Roberts play some offense this year. Its been a trend lately for Lancaster to play their best seniors at least part time both ways. Might also see Miller and Francis play some DT, but not as sure on that. If the secondary stuggles, I would look for Theiss, Sharp and Meadows to play some DB.

Talking to players, they are cautiously optimistic about this year. They know they need to work hard and have a great offseason. Many of the upperclassmen are surprized at the freshmen/sophomors classes for next year. They said they are very strong and there are like 50 of them a day coming to lifting. Thats an amazing number for 8th/9th graders! Hopefully its true and not an elaboration. You know how kids are sometimes!

[Walking Boss]

guru: great detail. I have to say I like seeing all those wrestlers in the line up, that is never a bad thing.

Knight: I heard the same thing concerning Davidson. I am somewhat hopeful that they are matched up in one of the intra-regional games (R1, R2, or R4 opponent) as opposed to an out-of-state power. They'll be good again, just not sure they'll have what it takes to matchup with a Dwyer or STA or someone like that, given what they lost.

[walt]

Pickerington Central may have the toughest schedule in the OCC. Moeller and Camden GA are as good or better than any other non-OCC opponent the rest of the OCC teams will face.

Then I think the OCC Ohio is going to be very difficult this year. The Ohio may not get as many teams in the playoffs because (like last year) they'll beat each other up. That said, Lancaster should be good. Pick North, Gahanna, Grove City, and Groveport all appear to be programs on the rise and all could contend for a playoff spot. The folks in the 'burg are optimistic and we know the 'burg always has talent... it's just a matter of getting that talent to play as a team. And as Boss mentioned, even Newark is better than the bottom feeders in OCC divisions like Westland, Central Crossing, etc.

If my Tigers can get through that schedule without too many losses and injuries... they will certainly be battle tested for the playoffs.

[knight43210]

If my Tigers can get through that schedule without too many losses and injuries... they will certainly be battle tested for the playoffs.

Walt? Without too many losses? Unusual comment coming from you. Who do you see the Tigers losing to?

I'm just a little more optimistic than that. I don't see us losing any!! We can only pray that our injuries will be at a minimum.

[walt]

Walt? Without too many losses? Unusual comment coming from you. Who do you see the Tigers losing to?

I'm just a little more optimistic than that. I don't see us losing any!! We can only pray that our injuries will be at a minimum.

Well... I don't see them losing to anyone; however, I think the schedule is pretty tough. A loss or two is not out of the realm of possibility.

[galeron]

What kind of team is this Camden County team from Ga. ? I know I will get blasted for saying this but honestly how good were those two out of state teams PC played last year. I watched the Herbstreit game and there defense was extremely soft and by the end of the PC was going through them like warm butter. There defense wasnt as good as Lancaster's. Dont know how that Indiana team finished but Pickerington dominated them worse than they did the Herbstreit team. My point is Ohio high school football is alot better than some states so even though it sounds like you are playing a powerhouse you really are just playing a lesser opponent. This is not a blast on Pickerington at all. I wish Lancaster was being invited to play in these high profile games. Example was last year with Lancaster playing St. Ignatius (Even though we lost) they were obviously down last year and there year ended up proving that as they didnt make the playoffs. I know I am going to get blasted for this post but just wanted to know honest opinions on this.

[Walking Boss]

Gale: Camden is a good program. They weren't national Top 100 good, but you don't win as much as they have won in a place as talent rich as GA without being good.

I think you make a reasonable point with regard Lancaster's defense holding PC's offense to fewer points than Oscar Smith did. That being said, however, Oscar Smith scored 20 on PC and I understand that Lancaster didn't sniff the red zone last year.

Are there teams in Ohio better than Orange Lutheran, Oscar Smith, and Camden? Yes, absolutely. However, I think it is great for Ohio football to get a shot at out-of-state teams and, although I am not a fan, I will say I am always confident that Pick Central will have the talent to represent Ohio against anyone. Said another way, I don't fear another UA debacle when Central takes the field for us.

[galeron]

Boss : You are correct Lancaster's offense didnt do a whole lot that night against PC. I was just trying to point out that that Oscar Smith team wasnt the world beater that some have tried to depict. Yes I also agree that it is good for these kids to get that experience of playing out of state teams and as I said I wish Lancaster would get that opportunity also, but I do think there is a tendency to say "no one plays the schedule Pickerington does" and I dont know if that is completely the case. We are all very proud of Ohio High School football and if these teams arent from Texas, Florida, or Pennsylvania than they probably arent comparable. In fact I will guess that Moeller will provide a better test than the Georgia team. Hopefully also Lancaster will be able to provide a better game this year. I do think with PC's defensive front and the offensive line Lancaster is returning it should be something to watch. Again, please dont take this as a dig on PC. I was just curious if others saw the same things in that Herbstreit game that I did.

[knight43210]

What kind of team is this Camden County team from Ga. ? I know I will get blasted for saying this but honestly how good were those two out of state teams PC played last year. I watched the Herbstreit game and there defense was extremely soft and by the end of the PC was going through them like warm butter. There defense wasnt as good as Lancaster's. Dont know how that Indiana team finished but Pickerington dominated them worse than they did the Herbstreit team. My point is Ohio high school football is alot better than some states so even though it sounds like you are playing a powerhouse you really are just playing a lesser opponent. This is not a blast on Pickerington at all. I wish Lancaster was being invited to play in these high profile games. Example was last year with Lancaster playing St. Ignatius (Even though we lost) they were obviously down last year and there year ended up proving that as they didnt make the playoffs. I know I am going to get blasted for this post but just wanted to know honest opinions on this.

Gale, Camden County won back to back state titles in 08 & 09 (big school Div.) went 10-2 last year losing in the second round of the state playoffs. Their only regular season loss last year was to St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale, FL)

[galeron]

That seems like a pretty good resume.

[walt]

Galeron - Those are legitimate questions, and I don't take your questions as a dig against Central.

I'm obviously biased, but comparing the three out of state teams to teams the Tigers played in Central Ohio (teams I've seen first hand), I'd say Oscar Smith, Orange Lutheran, and Plainfield all were better than most of the OCC teams the Tigers played the last two years. For example in '09 we scrimmaged Coffman the week before playing Lutheran. In my opinion, Lutheran was much better than Coffman (keeping in mind that I saw Coffman in scrimmage mode and not having game planned for us).

To your point Ron, the biggest difference I see between the out-of-state opponents and Ohio opponents, is that I believe we play a much more physical brand of football here.

One reason the Tigers had success against those teams is that they aren't used to seeing what we do. Lancaster, Davidson, Pick North, etc. see us every year, and they know us. It's hard for us to surprise them.

Another advantage for Pickerington Central against both Orange Lutheran and Oscar Smith was their offensive schemes played right into Central's defensive strengths. Unfortunately for Central, after the Herbstreit games saw nothing but wing-t, smash mouth football from teams like Lancaster and Davidson (except Grove City).

Even thought Lutheran and Oscar Smith had more D1 recruits than either Lancaster or Davidson, the match-up was better for Pickerington Central.

As I mentioned to Boss in another thread some time ago..... yes the Tigers had four D1 recruits in our secondary last year, but having a good secondary isn't really a big advantage when playing Davidson.

I know D1 recruits don't always add up to good teams but here are the signings of the players from Orange Lutheran's 2009 team:

MLB Garrett Gilliland - Washington Huskies
DT/OL Sean McEvilly - Northwestern
OLB Junior Avarado - Boise State
OLB Lorenzo Devers - Nevada
K/P Parker Flynn - Arizona State
RB Damani Wilson - Harvard
DB/WR Garrett Lieber - Northern Colorado D1 FCS
DE/C Preston Pemasa - Garnder Webb D1 FCS

And here are the signings from the 2010 Oscar Smith team:

WR Quinta Funderburke - Arkansas
DB Jaston George - Syracuse
LB Raysean Richardson - Temple
DB Mylon Blueford - Richmond D1 FCS

Also, junior RB J.C. Coleman is currently has offers from Virginia Tech, Virginia, West Virginia, and Vanderbilt among others.

So obviously those teams were talented.

[galeron]

Unfortunately, I cant speak anything about Orange Lutheran. I didnt see even highlights of that game. But I think California High School football is considered on par with the others I mentioned before. However, I felt that Oscar Smith team was very undisciplined and basically quit on the field in the 2nd half. But Like you say Pickerington's style could have caused that attitude. They did score 20 points but if I remember correctly two td's were on long passes.

All that being said this is what I enjoy about the huddle is being able to discuss different ideas and opinions. We should meet some night at the Grapevine and have a OCC discussion and pizza night.

[Walking Boss]

gale: I would add, in Oscar Smith's defense, that it was their first game of the season (whereas PC opened a week earlier) and they were playing a loooooong away game. Every quality football coach I have ever known has believed that teams make their greatest improvements between Week 1 and Week 2. Pick Central, having played the week before, had a slight advantage in that regard. This is not a minor point, IMHO, and was a big reason why I called PC the favorite going in to last year's game. Again, this is not to diminish Central's victory. The better won, IMHO. But I do feel comfortable surmising that Oscar Smith was better than what we saw that day and had the teams played week 5 at a neutral site, it would have been a different game.

[walt]

Good points....

Galeron - I'll take you up on a pizza & adult beverage at Grapevine some time to talk football. If you're buying the beverages I might be able to get Coke and PC Tigers to come too. :)

[Kill0331]

Good points....

Galeron - I'll take you up on a pizza & adult beverage at Grapevine some time to talk football. If you're buying the beverages I might be able to get Coke and PC Tigers to come too. :)

Man how I wish I was in Ohio. I could always go for a good Adult Beverage with my two buddies from Picktown, Coke and Walt.


Walt & Coke how is little Walt and Coke doing?

[walt]

Walt & Coke how is little Walt and Coke doing?

Little Walt and Little Coke are doing great! Little Walt is now 6'3" 235. He's benching 450 and recently ran a 4.3 40 yd. dash. Little Coke is now up to 6'5" 295 and benching over 500. He recently ran a 4.5.

They're both looking forward to the season... and ESPECIALLY Lancaster! ;)

[knight43210]

Here's another one hot off the rumor press. It sounds like Davidson might get matched up with Centerville in the Herbie and it's apparently a lock they will be playing Walnut Ridge wk 3.

From what I've been able to find out about Centerville, it seems they've taken a big hit through graduation, but historically they've been a solid program.

[Walking Boss]

Here's another one hot off the rumor press. It sounds like Davidson might get matched up with Centerville in the Herbie and it's apparently a lock they will be playing Walnut Ridge wk 3.

From what I've been able to find out about Centerville, it seems they've taken a big hit through graduation, but historically they've been a solid program.

Knight: Good info. I like the Centerville-Davidson matchup a lot. Should be a good one. Walnut Ridge is a nice #3 game after opening with Grove City and Centerville.

[knight43210]

Boss, Centerville also runs the option. It's sounding like they will need to replace their entire backfield and seveal linemen. They graduated 7 DI players from last years team and with playing Elder their first game, their match up with Davidson could prove to be a tough one.

[kaygee 12]

Even thought Centerville graduated a lot, I believe they were undefeated on jv and frosh levels. Could be wrong but I am pretty sure they were.

[knight43210]

Even thought Centerville graduated a lot, I believe they were undefeated on jv and frosh levels. Could be wrong but I am pretty sure they were.



I heard the same thing kaygee. They are a traditional reload team every year.

[Walking Boss]

My playoff 8, as of today, would be: Pick Central, Hilliard Darby, Lancaster, Hilliard Davidson, Springfield, Westerville South, Gahanna, and Liberty.

Alright. Now that the Regions and the Herbie is set, we can start revving up the discussions again. Also, since most of my favorite teams moved from R7 to R3, I'ma be, I'ma be R3, all da' time now.


I am not going to change my playoff 8 that much, though I will tweek it a bit: Pick Central is still #1, then Davidson, Lancaster, Darby, Gahanna (if they beat UA), Marysville, Westerville South, Springfield

Spoilers: UA if they can beat Springfield, 3 other Cardinal Teams (Olentangy, Liberty, and Scioto), Pick North/Groveport winner, Troy (who I know very little about, but they could sneak in if the OCC teams beat each other up points-wise.

At this point, I think the Cardinal can put 2 teams in. None will be a Top 4 seed, but the top surviving 2 of Westerville South, Marysville, Olentangy, Oly Liberty, and Dublin Scioto have a reasonably good shot of making it in if they do OK in their non-conference games.

[knight43210]

At this point, I think the Cardinal can put 2 teams in. None will be a Top 4 seed, but the top surviving 2 of Westerville South, Marysville, Olentangy, Oly Liberty, and Dublin Scioto have a reasonably good shot of making it in if they do OK in their non-conference games.

Boss, who's playing who in their non-conference games?

[Walking Boss]

Boss, who's playing who in their non-conference games?

Big ones that I know of for the 5 teams I mentioned will be as follows:

*Westerville South vs. Coffman
*Olentangy Liberty vs. Coffman
*Olentangy vs. Olentangy Orange
*Can't recall who Marysville has. Last year it was Jon Alder, Bellefontaine, and someone else.
* Scioto has Hilliard Bradley, Marion Franklin, and Worthington Kilbourne. Only Bradley is R3 out of that group.

I think any of these teams that run the table in the non-conference will be able to afford to drop 2 in the Cardinal and still make a bottom 4 seed at 8-2. 7-3, with a couple of solid victories might also get someone in. It will really hurt all of them if Westerville North goes 0-10 again. Lack of seconday points is a killer.

[Walking Boss]

Here's my take at a playoff picture. In general, I think it will be sort of exciting that playoff spots #3-8 will be generally open and that so many different teams have a viable shot. The best part, IMHO, is that with so many of these teams playing each other and them chewing each other up, it will be determined on the field. With the exception of possibly Troy, I don't see another Northland situation whereby a team sneaks in the backdoor without having earned it on the field.

Playoff Locks:
PICKERINGTON CENTRAL, HILLIARD DAVIDSON

Playoffs Probable:
LANCASTER, HILLIARD DARBY

Playoffs Possible/Survival of the fittest (Pool A), 1 will make it:GROVEPORT MADISON, GAHANNA LINCOLN, PICKERINGTON NORTH

Playoffs Possible/Survival of the fittest (Pool B), 2 will make it:
DUBLIN SCIOTO, MARYSVILLE, OLENTANGY, OLENTANGY LIBERTY, WESTERVILLE SOUTH

Playoffs Possible/Survival of the fittest biggest beneficiary
TROY (most likely to make it through the back door)

Playoffs Possible (We’ll Know by Week 3):
SPRINGFIELD, UPPER ARLINGTON

Won’t make it in, but will impact the outcome (spoilers):
DUBLIN COFFMAN, GROVE CITY, OLENTANGY ORANGE

Not this year, or next for that matter:
DELAWARE HAYES, DUBLIN JEROME, HILLIARD BRADLEY, REYNOLDSBURG (might belong in "spoiler" category), ST CHARLES, WESTERVILLE CENTRAL

Not for a very, very long time:
CENTRAL CROSSING, NEWARK, THOMAS WORTHINGTON, WESTERVILLE NORTH, WESTLAND

[herrenj]

ttt

[Webko]

Here's my take at a playoff picture. In general, I think it will be sort of exciting that playoff spots #3-8 will be generally open and that so many different teams have a viable shot. The best part, IMHO, is that with so many of these teams playing each other and them chewing each other up, it will be determined on the field. With the exception of possibly Troy, I don't see another Northland situation whereby a team sneaks in the backdoor without having earned it on the field.

Playoff Locks:
PICKERINGTON CENTRAL, HILLIARD DAVIDSON

Playoffs Probable:
LANCASTER, HILLIARD DARBY

Playoffs Possible/Survival of the fittest (Pool A), 1 will make it:GROVEPORT MADISON, GAHANNA LINCOLN, PICKERINGTON NORTH

Playoffs Possible/Survival of the fittest (Pool B), 2 will make it:
DUBLIN SCIOTO, MARYSVILLE, OLENTANGY, OLENTANGY LIBERTY, WESTERVILLE SOUTH

Playoffs Possible/Survival of the fittest biggest beneficiary
TROY (most likely to make it through the back door)

Playoffs Possible (We’ll Know by Week 3):
SPRINGFIELD, UPPER ARLINGTON

Won’t make it in, but will impact the outcome (spoilers):
DUBLIN COFFMAN, GROVE CITY, OLENTANGY ORANGE

Not this year, or next for that matter:
DELAWARE HAYES, DUBLIN JEROME, HILLIARD BRADLEY, REYNOLDSBURG (might belong in "spoiler" category), ST CHARLES, WESTERVILLE CENTRAL

Not for a very, very long time:
CENTRAL CROSSING, NEWARK, THOMAS WORTHINGTON, WESTERVILLE NORTH, WESTLAND

I'm a little surprised with DC no pick. Is it because they lost talent and not reloading? I would tend to lean in DC's direction for a playoff spot. Gahanna hasn't seen the playoffs in years? Have they returned their starters this year?

[cthelites]

Boss, you know the Dubs prolly better than anyone and you are saying no Coffman.
Are they that down and why?
Maybe Darby will finally get their first win over them this yr.

[longballhitter]

BOSS,

I have to question Westerville So. and Reynoldsburg in the categories you placed them. Other than that, You are on the $$$$$$.

And I think Groveport will be in at 8-2. My early prediction for 2nd place (not in R3, but conf.) behind PCentral.

[herrenj]

On another forum UA seems to be getting more votes than on here to make the playoffs. UA returns pretty good backs, will have a good QB, really good receivers (Epitropoulos to OSU) and the D should be good. We will know the first three weeks I guess.

Tri-Valley is very good.
S-field - I am sure glad #5 transferred to Trotwood. He was all over the field last year against UA.
Gahanna -should be a good one.

I personal think it will be a 3-0 start. Just my opinion though.

[Walking Boss]

Herrenj: I think UA will be improved, but I am concerned by their schedule. They have 3 sure 'W's in TW, Westland, CC. Likely 'W' very Kilbourne. So they are spotted 4 out of the shoot. There first three games are very tough. I would be very surprised by a 3-0 start out of them. I think 2-1 is as likely as 1-2.

Lites: My personal opinion is that they will slip again this year, before improving again next year. I think they will have real issues along the O and D lines, size wise. I think their opening 3 games are a bit tougher this year. They'll be spotted the same 4 wins that UA will have. They won't beat Davidson. Darby and UA will both be battles. I've been called a Coffman 'hater' by some, but I started a Dublin football 2011 thread a few months back and literally begged those disagreeinig with me to offer something specifically positive about Coffman this year. No one responded. I think the defense that looked so completely inept twice against Peanut Jackson and in the Davidson game has only gotten weaker due to graduation. Just my two cents. Who knows, if everyone else on their schedule is down, maybe they go 7-3 or 8-2. I just sort of doubt it.

[Walking Boss]

Longball: You think I should have Westerville South and the "Burg higher I assume? I thought about that. Particularly the Burg. They very well could be a spoiler. They could be the team that hangs an 'L' on Groveport, Gahanna, or Pick North and keeps them out of the playoffs. I am a big Buddy White guy and think he will eventually do great things there. They are just digging out of a big whole and I caution folks to not get too overly enthusiastic.

I have a hard time putting Westerville South in the "playoff probable" category given what they lost. 9 starters from defense, I believe, and Peanut Jackson. Plus the rest of the Cardinal is poised to be improved. Oly, Scioto, and Marysville will all be better. Liberty has proven they can beat South as well. South won't run the table in the Cardinal this year and will likely finish with 2 or 3 losses in the Conference. They could drop a 1 or 2 non-conference games as well.

[gr8br10]

Here's my take at a playoff picture. In general, I think it will be sort of exciting that playoff spots #3-8 will be generally open and that so many different teams have a viable shot. The best part, IMHO, is that with so many of these teams playing each other and them chewing each other up, it will be determined on the field. With the exception of possibly Troy, I don't see another Northland situation whereby a team sneaks in the backdoor without having earned it on the field.

Playoff Locks:
PICKERINGTON CENTRAL, HILLIARD DAVIDSON

Playoffs Probable:
LANCASTER, HILLIARD DARBY

Playoffs Possible/Survival of the fittest (Pool A), 1 will make it:GROVEPORT MADISON, GAHANNA LINCOLN, PICKERINGTON NORTH

Playoffs Possible/Survival of the fittest (Pool B), 2 will make it:
DUBLIN SCIOTO, MARYSVILLE, OLENTANGY, OLENTANGY LIBERTY, WESTERVILLE SOUTH

Playoffs Possible/Survival of the fittest biggest beneficiary
TROY (most likely to make it through the back door)

Playoffs Possible (We’ll Know by Week 3):
SPRINGFIELD, UPPER ARLINGTON

Won’t make it in, but will impact the outcome (spoilers):
DUBLIN COFFMAN, GROVE CITY, OLENTANGY ORANGE

Not this year, or next for that matter:
DELAWARE HAYES, DUBLIN JEROME, HILLIARD BRADLEY, REYNOLDSBURG (might belong in "spoiler" category), ST CHARLES, WESTERVILLE CENTRAL

Not for a very, very long time:
CENTRAL CROSSING, NEWARK, THOMAS WORTHINGTON, WESTERVILLE NORTH, WESTLAND

Boss, I think you've come up with a pretty good break down of the region! I agree with most of what you wrote and predicted. It's a very insightful and detailed look at R3. Here's my take as of the end of May. PC looks strong again but starts with a couple of tough games and Davidson is losing a lot of talent but with their Coach and his system they look to win 8+, Darby has a favorable schedule with a lot of young talent returning but Darby's biggest question mark will be the offensive line where Darby lost 4 seniors, Lancaster should be tough this year and make the playoffs but not the division (PC), Westerville South from what i've read on here and If it's true is getting some more players moving in to the area which should help them get to the playoffs, Springfield still has some very athletic players but lost some big time talent and their head coach but i think they can still squeeze in, UA is a big ? for me. UA i feel will be better but with their schedule i would say 50/50 chance for playoffs and the two games against the Davidson and Darby will be huge. If UA wins one of them i think their in. Groveport, again from what i've read on here, returns quite a few players and have a chance along with Gahanna and Pick N. with their schedule could be there. Troy, I don't know very well but they did make it last year so who knows it could happen again. Dublin Coffman loses a lot of talent but probably will have 100+ kids again this year. You would think with that many players you would be pretty decent but like UA it's huge what DC does against the HD's!

[Moose73]

Gotta believe that IF the Bears can avoid the injury bug that's plagued them the past few years, they should be able to compete.:)

[Walking Boss]

...Dublin Coffman loses a lot of talent but probably will have 100+ kids again this year. You would think with that many players you would be pretty decent but like UA it's huge what DC does against the HD's!

GB: You make some very good points. The only thing I would point out is that while Coffman does indeed have 100 kids on the sideline, ~30 of them are normally wide receivers. And a lot of them are on the team just to wear the jersey. I'm not bashing here. I'll give props to the kids for sweating it out all summer and going through what they go through. Athletic participation beats the heck out of video games in terms of building character. I'm just saying they have a huge number of players that will never contribute on the field in a meaningful way, that's all. It looks impressive during warm-ups. I'll give you that.

[Moose73]

On another forum UA seems to be getting more votes than on here to make the playoffs. UA returns pretty good backs, will have a good QB, really good receivers (Epitropoulos to OSU) and the D should be good. We will know the first three weeks I guess.

Tri-Valley is very good.
S-field - I am sure glad #5 transferred to Trotwood. He was all over the field last year against UA.
Gahanna -should be a good one.

I personal think it will be a 3-0 start. Just my opinion though.

hrttrnj.... Don't the Bears have a huge lineman the has transferred in??? I thought I read somewhere that this was the case and kid would be either a junior or senior for the upcoming season.

I also understand the Springfield's coach resigned so they'll have a new coach and maybe system for next year plus they were rather senior heavy last year..... Any confirm on this??? Week 1 over at Dresden worries me.
Tri-Valley had a young team and has an excellent returning group. But, I believe in the Bears, Coach Golden and his staff. We just have to stay injury free.

[Walking Boss]

Moose: I think the o-lineman moved in to UA from London perhaps.

Springfield is without their coach. They also lost Mr. Do-Everything George Walker (run, catch, throw, returns, defense). Suspended for "fighting" is the official line. With Walker and DaPriest gone, Springfield will definitely be down from last year. However, they are a very big school and they'll always have athletes. Discipline and clicking under a new system will be their challenges.

[longballhitter]

Longball: You think I should have Westerville South and the "Burg higher I assume? I thought about that. Particularly the Burg. They very well could be a spoiler. They could be the team that hangs an 'L' on Groveport, Gahanna, or Pick North and keeps them out of the playoffs. I am a big Buddy White guy and think he will eventually do great things there. They are just digging out of a big whole and I caution folks to not get too overly enthusiastic.

I have a hard time putting Westerville South in the "playoff probable" category given what they lost. 9 starters from defense, I believe, and Peanut Jackson. Plus the rest of the Cardinal is poised to be improved. Oly, Scioto, and Marysville will all be better. Liberty has proven they can beat South as well. South won't run the table in the Cardinal this year and will likely finish with 2 or 3 losses in the Conference. They could drop a 1 or 2 non-conference games as well.

You would assume wrong! I mean to bump West. So and RBurg DOWN one slot from your original assessment. Buddy White being a savior or not, They are too far away. And South MAY reload, but will not be the one man show they were last year. I only watched them once and was not impressed with any skill players other than Jackson.

[Walking Boss]

longaball: We'll have to wait and see on the 'Burg. I do believe it is a long road back for them, but I think White is a winner and we'll see improvement right away. I think he is a rare mix of passion, dedication, and discipline that those kids need. A lot of guys have 2 of the 3, but not all 3. I think he'll get kids out of the hallways and on to the field and will run a tight enough ship to do something with them once they get there.

As for Westerville South, that was already a big drop for me, down from 'lock' last year' to 'survival of the fittest' (not even playoff probable).

Not sure which game you saw them in, but if it was Pick Central, that wouldn't be a good barometer, IMHO. They've got some talent. No where near '09 or '10. But they'll be in the hunt, IMO.

[picktowncentral]

First time on in months. It took a couple days just to read up on everything! I'm very nervous about PC's schedule. Very possible (maybe even probable) that PC could start 0-3: @ Moeller, vs. Xavier, @ FULTON FIELD! ... Since the Herbie was moved to Sunday, I'm of the opinion that the Tigers should schedule a "cupcake" in week 3 that could win a few in their own league for some secondary points that could prove critical. As good as Coach S. is, I still believe that he sometimes over-thinks (especially offensively) his strategy against some of the more prominent programs. Going against 2 of the best parochial schools in the country to start the season only to head INTO Fulton (we know what goes down there ;)) might be asking too much. Hopefully I'm wrong, but assuming the worst, does 6-3 even get into the playoffs??? Despite the bye week, this is by far the most daunting schedule I've seen for any OCC team in the last 10 years...

[knight43210]

First time on in months. It took a couple days just to read up on everything! I'm very nervous about PC's schedule. Very possible (maybe even probable) that PC could start 0-3: @ Moeller, vs. Xavier, @ FULTON FIELD! ... Since the Herbie was moved to Sunday, I'm of the opinion that the Tigers should schedule a "cupcake" in week 3 that could win a few in their own league for some secondary points that could prove critical. As good as Coach S. is, I still believe that he sometimes over-thinks (especially offensively) his strategy against some of the more prominent programs. Going against 2 of the best parochial schools in the country to start the season only to head INTO Fulton (we know what goes down there ;)) might be asking too much. Hopefully I'm wrong, but assuming the worst, does 6-3 even get into the playoffs??? Despite the bye week, this is by far the most daunting schedule I've seen for any OCC team in the last 10 years...

Keep the faith picktowncentral. This years team wouldn't want it any other way. They're accepting any and all challenges from the weight room to camps and combines and excelling at all of them. We graduated some great players, but you're going to be pleasantly surprised with what Central will be bringing to the table this year. I do however agree with you on one aspect of our game. For what ever reason and I'll probably never know why, there are certain opponents, i.e: Lancaster @ Fulton and Davidson, we seem to play not to lose instead of keeping the pedal to the medal and forcing them to play our style of football. I worry more about those games than I do any other opponent no matter who they are. The Ohio Div. of the OCC is going to be brutal this year. Outside of Newark and I see them making vast improvements, every game is going to be a dog fight. This is going to be one heck of a season.

[cthelites]

Question:
Why does PC and Lanc play in week 3 when it is a league game?
OCC League play starts week 4 right?

[knight43210]

Question:
Why does PC and Lanc play in week 3 when it is a league game?
OCC League play starts week 4 right?

It is wk 4. wk 3 is a bye for PC.

[cthelites]

It is wk 4. wk 3 is a bye for PC.

OK that makes sense to have a bye after a Mon game.

[knight43210]

OK that makes sense to have a bye after a Mon game.

Originally it was scheduled for Monday. Now we've been moved to Sunday vs St. X

[coke72]

Originally it was scheduled for Monday. Now we've been moved to Sunday vs St. X

Too late to add a game. Still, coming from a Sunday game to a Friday game like they did in 2009 following Orange Lutheran to face Springfield, is a challenge.

In regard to Boss's rundown, he likely knows more from the broad perspective than I so I can't really dispute it. At this early stage, it seems about right.

But then, that's why they play the games.

Much can happen in those first few weeks to make a team gel and notch some W's to gain momentum.

[coke72]

Man how I wish I was in Ohio. I could always go for a good Adult Beverage with my two buddies from Picktown, Coke and Walt.


Walt & Coke how is little Walt and Coke doing?

Little Walt and Little Coke are doing great! Little Walt is now 6'3" 235. He's benching 450 and recently ran a 4.3 40 yd. dash. Little Coke is now up to 6'5" 295 and benching over 500. He recently ran a 4.5.

They're both looking forward to the season... and ESPECIALLY Lancaster! ;)

I missed this one, quite humorous. I may have to opt for the veggie pizza in order to keep the 37 lbs I have lost from coming back... giving that extra weight to Little Coke who needs it more than I do.

[gr8br10]

Moose: I think the o-lineman moved in to UA from London perhaps.

Springfield is without their coach. They also lost Mr. Do-Everything George Walker (run, catch, throw, returns, defense). Suspended for "fighting" is the official line. With Walker and DaPriest gone, Springfield will definitely be down from last year. However, they are a very big school and they'll always have athletes. Discipline and clicking under a new system will be their challenges.

Hey Boss, This doesn't surprise me to hear Walker was "fighting". I work with two parents of Springfield football players and both told me thier kids where in the locker room last year, when during the season he got in a fight and hit the starting QB and then he got into a shouting match with the head coach and said he quit and walked out of the locker room. But the coach let him back on the team!

[dbarnian]

Does anyone know who will be replacing Stoudt at QB at Coffman this season?? I cant even remember the last time they didn't have a D1 QB.

[Lou Dew]

Does anyone know who will be replacing Stoudt at QB at Coffman this season?? I cant even remember the last time they didn't have a D1 QB.

I think Walsh was the JV QB. I know he has a strong arm.

[TrojanFever]

Nope, DB, the rocks have nothing left. They will be lucky to go 5-5 according to most.

[Walking Boss]

dbarn: Lou is correct. James Walsh will be the QB. He's got talent. What I'm not sure of, however, is whether or not he has a line. RB Bilal Williamson is looking very strong. Williamson might get a lot of carries, especially early in the season. Establishing a ground attack will help Walsh develop IMHO and avoid a season of Chuck n' duck. If he stays healthy, he will probably be spotted 10 TDs and 1,000 yds passing with the games against CC, Westland, and TW. What he does in the other 7 games will determine the Rocks' season. [article on Walsh is below]

TrojanMan is normally pretty light on details. Most of his posts take on one of two themes: "Coffman reloads every year" and/or "Anyone who questions them is a hater".

http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/dublin/stories/2011/04/13/sports/walsh.html?sid=104

[TrojanFever]

I dont think all are haters, I just believe Coffman's track record speaks for itself.

[Walking Boss]

I dont think all are haters, I just believe Coffman's track record speaks for itself.

Let me translate Trojanspeak, huddlers: "They reload".

OK. I guess that settles it. Despite losing virtually their entire defense and most of the size and talent on their o-line, Coffman is going to return to their rightful spot in the Region 3 championship evidently. Thanks for the deep insight TrojanMan. I'll be able to ponder that all summer long.

[herrenj]

Let me translate Trojanspeak, huddlers: "They reload".

OK. I guess that settles it. Despite losing virtually their entire defense and most of the size and talent on their o-line, Coffman is going to return to their rightful spot in the Region 3 championship evidently. Thanks for the deep insight TrojanMan. I'll be able to ponder that all summer long.

Hater !!!

[cthelites]

I think the talent level is shifting a bit to the east in Dubtown.
Im not sure about this yr but the next couple yrs they have a boatload of talent coming up.

[Moose73]

GO BEARS!!!

There, that settles it!!:D

[Walking Boss]

Since R3 has now swallowed up virtually all of the OCC, the non-conference matchups are now as big as ever. These are the Big Non-Conference Games that I think will have measurable impacts on R3 races:

Week 1
Groveport at Westerville South
Grove City at Hilliard Davidson
Olentangy Orange at Olentangy
Olentangy Liberty at Dublin Coffman
Bishop Watteron (R10) at Pick North

Week 2
Westerville South at Dublin Coffman
Upper Arlinton vs. Springfield (Herbie)
Marion Franklin (R7) at Dublin Scioto

Week 3
Westerville South at Grove City
Gahanna at. Upper Arlington
Twinsburg at Lancaster

Looks like Westerville South will prove instrumental early on, as they have 3 teams on their schedules that will likely have the playoffs on their minds.

[I left out the Pick Central games vs. the Cincy teams, because win or lose, PC is going to be a Top 4 seed in R3. The points they get or don't get in those games will likely not have a big impact on the R3 race, because I don't see them giving any seconday points to anyone on the remainder of their schedule, if you catch my drift]

[Walking Boss]

Steel: let's here it.

[the_guru_CO]

Walking Boss,

Not saying its going to happen, but remember Pick Central has not won at Fulton Field in over a decade. Guess where this years game is?

I realize Pick Central will be the favorite, but not nearly the HUGE favorite they were in 2009 when Lancaster beat them with a very subpar Gales team. Just saying, the great part about rivalry games is you never know.

[Steelboys]

Steel: let's here it.

OK Boss here it goes........................................


WS will have the best regular season record in a long while. You will not find a bigger supporter than I but I'm also a realist. Last years team was truly one dimensional. Everyone knew it. This years team is very well balanced and has alot to prove. Again we will benifit from a Not so tough Cardinal Division. WN WC DJ DS Olentangy are soild chances for wins.. Liberty will be tough but very winnable, That leaves Marysville........ IMHO I think they will be the toughest test during the regular season. They have a couple of outstanding players and have been together for a while. They gave us fits and only a last second Interception on the last drive saved the day for WS last year. Let me know what you think

[Walking Boss]

guru: I know trips to Fulton Field can be tough for anyone, and I do give the Gales a 'puncher's chance' in that one. I've even said on another thread that I think Lancaster is the only potential OCC Ohio pothole for PC. It will be tough for the Gales, though, because the Tigers' front 7 is going to be one of Ohio's best this year and that counters Lancaster's greatest strength. I think it will be a great one, either way.

Steel: Next to you, over the past 2 years, I have probably been the biggest WS backer on this board (though I never miss an opportunity to tweak Coach P). I took a fair amount of flack last year for listing them as one of 3 playoff 'locks' last year (along with PC & HD) in R3.

This year, however, I think the road might be a bit tougher. Especially in the Cardinal. The Cardinal was a bit down the past 2 years, but I think it is far more solid this year. I do agree that they'll make it 3 in a row vs. Coffman this year. The Groveport game might be a tough one. To me, that is too close to call right now. As far as the Conference matchups, I think only North, Jerome, and Central are sure 'W's for the Wildcats. You point out that Marysville and Liberty might be tough, but I think Oly and Scioto are not to be overlooked this year. I sincerely believe that no one will run the table in the Cardinal and that it might be a 5-2 type, split championship year. Just my opinion.

[T1972]

Steel, I am truly a fan of Bell. I think he is a great kid and a great athlete. The truth is that with Melvin Smith at GP, Bell was not going to get the playing time that he wants or deserves. Melvin is a beast and he will be running that ball all season, 4 quarters strong. I hope WS uses Bell and I hope he has a great season. As for the starting lineman that went to WS, I am lost? We only lost 3 guys total from the lines due to graduation. All the other starters from last year were at practice bright and early this morning. Whom ever you have I did not even notice he was gone. No disrespect intended. The 3 guys that graduated have been replaced with players as good as they were, except for one that is even better (Durrell Bristol). It is truly good to hear that WS has a well balanced team this year. This always makes for better games.

[BEAR]

So who are the 8 teams making the playoffs in R3? Are Springfield and Troy still on board and are there any teams moving up from D2?

[Walking Boss]

So who are the 8 teams making the playoffs in R3? Are Springfield and Troy still on board and are there any teams moving up from D2?

Bear: Troy is a virtual lock for the playoffs IMO, along with Pick Central and Davidson. They return a ton of talent and the schedule is relatively light.

Springfield will always be in the mix due to the sheer size of the school and talent base. I was a big Springfield guy last year. I'm a little more luke warm on them this year. They lost their coach and only replaced him in the past 6 weeks or so. Dapriest graduated and Walker, their best overall player IMO, was booted from school. In addition, they play an insane schedule. I think they will struggle early and may have some quality wins along the way, but I think they will struggle to make the playoffs.

A lot of D2/R7 teams were pushed up this year to R3. Olentangy, Olentangy Orange, Dublin Scioto, Dublin Jerome, and Hilliard Bradley chiefly among them. I expect one of the first 3 (Oly, OO, or DS) to challenge for a 6-8 spot in the playoffs. Orange can pile up big points in their outing with the Braves, Liberty, NA, and the Nut. The OCC Cardinal is a going to be a meat grinder, as well, and I would expect a teams like Scioto and Oly to to compete with Marysville, South, and Liberty to get 2 divisional teams in the playoffs.

[Steelboys]

Steel, I am truly a fan of Bell. I think he is a great kid and a great athlete. The truth is that with Melvin Smith at GP, Bell was not going to get the playing time that he wants or deserves. Melvin is a beast and he will be running that ball all season, 4 quarters strong. I hope WS uses Bell and I hope he has a great season. As for the starting lineman that went to WS, I am lost? We only lost 3 guys total from the lines due to graduation. All the other starters from last year were at practice bright and early this morning. Whom ever you have I did not even notice he was gone. No disrespect intended. The 3 guys that graduated have been replaced with players as good as they were, except for one that is even better (Durrell Bristol). It is truly good to hear that WS has a well balanced team this year. This always makes for better games.


Melvin Smith is a very good player there is no denying that. But Bell is more versitile. Smith does deserve to start no question Bell is a year younger and much bigger. Smith has outstanding running ability and Bell will catch everything thrown his way. Smith is a homerun hitter and Bell is a single and doubles man. It's a shame they could not find a way to use them both. And didn't Bell play QB last year as well. I saw the kid a practice last week and he said he started for Groveport last year, I'll have to ask Bell what his name is or is it even true. It's hard to belive that you have anyone coming back on the line this year that was as good as Pruitt was last year. That kid was pretty special. Last years game is over and GP won fair and square, But I would have loved to see them again in lasts years Playoffs..... Good Luck to GP and again I say I hope they win all thier games except the first one..........

[Steelboys]

guru: I know trips to Fulton Field can be tough for anyone, and I do give the Gales a 'puncher's chance' in that one. I've even said on another thread that I think Lancaster is the only potential OCC Ohio pothole for PC. It will be tough for the Gales, though, because the Tigers' front 7 is going to be one of Ohio's best this year and that counters Lancaster's greatest strength. I think it will be a great one, either way.

Steel: Next to you, over the past 2 years, I have probably been the biggest WS backer on this board (though I never miss an opportunity to tweak Coach P). I took a fair amount of flack last year for listing them as one of 3 playoff 'locks' last year (along with PC & HD) in R3.

This year, however, I think the road might be a bit tougher. Especially in the Cardinal. The Cardinal was a bit down the past 2 years, but I think it is far more solid this year. I do agree that they'll make it 3 in a row vs. Coffman this year. The Groveport game might be a tough one. To me, that is too close to call right now. As far as the Conference matchups, I think only North, Jerome, and Central are sure 'W's for the Wildcats. You point out that Marysville and Liberty might be tough, but I think Oly and Scioto are not to be overlooked this year. I sincerely believe that no one will run the table in the Cardinal and that it might be a 5-2 type, split championship year. Just my opinion.


Boss

You have backed me alot on WS I'll grant you that and I love chatting with you but I think that you are wrong about the Cardinal this season. I think this year everyone except South are more evenly matched then last year.... I'll tell you why the two closest teams lost way more than South did and South actually got better this year, I know that sounds crazy with South losing Jackson and Ray Ball on offense, But the three headed Monster that they have running the ball will improve on Jacksons Yardage and TD total, true it will take all three to do it but it will be done. Marcus Ball at QB is still only a JR and he will do a heck of alot more this year than just hand off He threw for over 1200 and 14 TD's last year. Let's look at the games that you said were tough

GP This game is going to be good but last year WS beat them eveywhere but the scoreboard no excuses they won fair and square but seven turnovers 5 inside the 20 and a Sophomore starting his very first game is not going to happen this year.

Liberty
A very good team but they lost more than they gained. They played an outstanding game last year and caught WS looking ahead. Which goes to show you that no one can afford to do that.

OLY
What else do they have other than Perry, he is an outstanding player but it was 52-10 last year I don't see them improving that much

Scioto
Very good RB in Houston but not much else yet once thier younger guys develop they will be much better Last year 31-0 again I don't see them improving that much and that game is at South

Don't get me wrong South can get beat but if they play up to thier potentional I think they will be very tough in the regular season. I look forward to your reply.......................

[T1972]

Steel, You are right. I did not even take age in to consideration. After Melvin moves on it would of been nice to know Bell was coming back for us. However, it sounds like he is having no problems adjusting to his new home. You are also right about Pruitt. At this stage in the game all we can do is speculate and stand our ground as true fans. Friday nights are right around the corner. Good luck to WS, I am sure you will be hearing from me soon.

[Walking Boss]

Steel: Two things, A.) You haven't sold me anything on Westerville South's 'D' yet and B.) You are a lot higher on Marcus Ball than I am.

My understanding is that the 'D' lost something like 9 starters? Correct if I'm wrong on that. I bought into the 'reloading' of the 'D' last year. I'm not buying that they'll do it again. (Really other than the Scioto and Olentangy games, South's D was nothing to write home about last year...more on that below)

Olentangy: Oly has a lot more than Perry. They actually have 3 decent backs and big portions of solid lines (O & D) returning. Playko is probably every bit as good as Ray Ball. Maybe better, technique wise. I think they over relied on Greathouse last year, much to their detriment. I think they will be much more dynamic without him in the line-up. I also wouldn't put too much stock in last year's Oly-WS game. Remember, they they beat Liberty (which South didn't do) and had virtually the same margin of victory over Central and Scioto as South did. Oly definitely collapsed that night versus South.

Liberty: Got an ugly monkey off their back defeating South last year after the two embarrassing '09 beatdowns. They return almost their entire o-line. I give them a decent chance of beating South this year, not a great one though.

Scioto: The Irish have a lot more than William Houston. They return 4 of 5 starters on the o-line and QB, who was only a soph. The defense will be a challenge as they are replacing most of the D. However, keep in mind that South caught Scioto on a very bad night last year. Scioto's D gelled after the South game and gave up 9, 3, 15, and 14 to Central, Liberty, Jerome, and Marysville (41 total points). South gave up 39 to Liberty alone and gave up a total of 111 points to those same opponents.

Ball looked good against both Scioto and Jerome, but both were keying on Jackson and they held him to his lowest outputs of the year (even lower than Pick Central did). Ball didn't do much against Coffman either time (though he didn't have too) or Liberty if I recall correctly, and he completely melted against Picktown on his biggest stage. Jackson was very special and I'm not sold on the fact that two players alternating carries can be better. Maybe they can, maybe they can't. Jackson proved at the North/South All-Star game that he can dominate at the highest level. I don't think 1/2 Cates plus 1/2 Ball = 1 Peanut Jackson. I willing to be proven wrong.

[Webko]

It's hard not picking the same teams from last season for the R3 Top 10
PC
HDave
DC
Springfield
Lancaster
WS
HDarby
OLiberty
Troy
PN

[Steelboys]

Steel: Two things, A.) You haven't sold me anything on Westerville South's 'D' yet and B.) You are a lot higher on Marcus Ball than I am.

My understanding is that the 'D' lost something like 9 starters? Correct if I'm wrong on that. I bought into the 'reloading' of the 'D' last year. I'm not buying that they'll do it again. (Really other than the Scioto and Olentangy games, South's D was nothing to write home about last year...more on that below)

Olentangy: Oly has a lot more than Perry. They actually have 3 decent backs and big portions of solid lines (O & D) returning. Playko is probably every bit as good as Ray Ball. Maybe better, technique wise. I think they over relied on Greathouse last year, much to their detriment. I think they will be much more dynamic without him in the line-up. I also wouldn't put too much stock in last year's Oly-WS game. Remember, they they beat Liberty (which South didn't do) and had virtually the same margin of victory over Central and Scioto as South did. Oly definitely collapsed that night versus South.

Liberty: Got an ugly monkey off their back defeating South last year after the two embarrassing '09 beatdowns. They return almost their entire o-line. I give them a decent chance of beating South this year, not a great one though.

Scioto: The Irish have a lot more than William Houston. They return 4 of 5 starters on the o-line and QB, who was only a soph. The defense will be a challenge as they are replacing most of the D. However, keep in mind that South caught Scioto on a very bad night last year. Scioto's D gelled after the South game and gave up 9, 3, 15, and 14 to Central, Liberty, Jerome, and Marysville (41 total points). South gave up 39 to Liberty alone and gave up a total of 111 points to those same opponents.

Ball looked good against both Scioto and Jerome, but both were keying on Jackson and they held him to his lowest outputs of the year (even lower than Pick Central did). Ball didn't do much against Coffman either time (though he didn't have too) or Liberty if I recall correctly, and he completely melted against Picktown on his biggest stage. Jackson was very special and I'm not sold on the fact that two players alternating carries can be better. Maybe they can, maybe they can't. Jackson proved at the North/South All-Star game that he can dominate at the highest level. I don't think 1/2 Cates plus 1/2 Ball = 1 Peanut Jackson. I willing to be proven wrong.


BOSS

You noticed that I didn't say much about the D, I was kind off trying to let that be a surprise. True the only full time starter back is McClemore at corner, Evan Lease returns to play safety which will be a big improvement and his SR leadership and toughness will keep the secondary in order. The defensive line is young but they are huge and very athletic. They have a couple of tranfers and some kids that have been groomed for this year next year I dare to say that they will be one of the better ones in the region. I'm sure that they will more than hold thier own this season. Jordan Rodriguez will be in the middle he is 6'2 225 block of granite, he's young and played last year so I expect big things from him.


I knew that you would get me straight about the Dublins I didn't mean that Houston was a one man team. You are right about the points given up by South's D in the 4 games. The Liberty game was a total mess. The Marysville game the had an excellent game plan and executed extremely will, I give them a ton a credit. But Oly was never in the game and what South does matches up extremely well against them.



Jackson was a special Talent. But Cates, Bell and Prentice will benefit from a much more cohesive line. The biggest reason that I feel combined that they will surpass Jackson's totals last year is that they won't face very many 8,9 or even 10 men in the Box. The field will be spread and teams will have to play them honest. Everyone knew Jackson was the Plow Horse last year and other than DJ game and Scioto Ball wasn't allowed to throw that much. Coach Williams has implemented a much more diverse passing game this year. Ball made some mistakes last year but keep in mind he was only a Sophomore.

I hope what I'm seeing on the field is not being seen through Red and White Glasses.

[T1972]

Wow, word on the street is that everyone is going to have a winning season. This year the region is filled with confidence. If you listen you will hear that every team returning feels that they are faster, bigger, and better. I actually like to hear this. It seems like we are going to have some teams having to fight hard and earn their spot. If all of this is true there will most likely be some surprising up-sets. no one likes a predictable season. So good luck to all and I look forward to hearing some more predictions.

[Moose73]

Boy oh boy, some of you are ready to crown a region 3 champ and two-a-days have just barely started...... The Moose's crystal ball isn't working well (must be something to do with the heat). In any event, the usual suspects will be duking it out for the regional title plus I just kinda have a gut feeling the Golden Bears will be somewhere in the mix this year. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how things look come the end of October.....

[BEAR]

It's hard not picking the same teams from last season for the R3 Top 10
PC
HDave
DC
Springfield
Lancaster
WS
HDarby
OLiberty
Troy
PN

Webko, I'll go along with most of it
PC and Lanc are my sure picks
along with HD and Troy
I think their are 2 possibles you missed
St.Charles makes the final 8 because they don't tangle with the OCC schools
And Moose your Bears make it if they beat Tri.V. week one Which I think they will
Springfield has a new coach and I've crossed them off
I'm going with Pick N with a win week 1 over Watterson
I'm not saying the 8 spot is where they will be but I think it comes down to one of these four
West S.
Dub C.
Liberty
but Darby wins it.
No disrespect to anyone out there I'm new to this and just want to put my picks out before the season starts to see if I'm close or blind to high school football

[Walking Boss]

Wow, word on the street is that everyone is going to have a winning season.

Not Westland, Newark, Central Crossing, or Westerville North. I do sincerely hope they all notch a couple of victories this year. Especially North.

This year the region is filled with confidence. If you listen you will hear that every team returning feels that they are faster, bigger, and better. I actually like to hear this. It seems like we are going to have some teams having to fight hard and earn their spot

Hope springs eternal every August. As it should….

Boy oh boy, some of you are ready to crown a region 3 champ and two-a-days have just barely started...... The Moose's crystal ball isn't working well (must be something to do with the heat). In any event, the usual suspects will be duking it out for the regional title plus I just kinda have a gut feeling the Golden Bears will be somewhere in the mix this year. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how things look come the end of October.....

Moose: If by “somewhere in the mix” you mean “may make the playoffs”, trust your gut. If instead you mean “possible trip to the R3 or beyond”, you might as well change your “crystal ball” into a “snow ball” and give it a one way ticket to hell….

[K-Zone]

Webko, I'll go along with most of it
PC and Lanc are my sure picks
along with HD and Troy
I think their are 2 possibles you missed
St.Charles makes the final 8 because they don't tangle with the OCC schools
And Moose your Bears make it if they beat Tri.V. week one Which I think they will
Springfield has a new coach and I've crossed them off
I'm going with Pick N with a win week 1 over Watterson
I'm not saying the 8 spot is where they will be but I think it comes down to one of these four
West S.
Dub C.
Liberty
but Darby wins it.
No disrespect to anyone out there I'm new to this and just want to put my picks out before the season starts to see if I'm close or blind to high school football

Lancaster is not a lock IMO, and I am a fan. The defense will be able to stop teams, which has been a problem in the past. The offense will have trouble scoring, which has never been a problem. According to a "concerned parent", the Gales may have a QB controversy. Translation, we may not be running the spread offense this year.

[Walking Boss]

According to a "concerned parent", the Gales may have a QB controversy. Translation, we may not be running the spread offense this year.

The Gales were honestly, sincerely considering running the spread this year?

[Moose73]

Webko, I'll go along with most of it
PC and Lanc are my sure picks
along with HD and Troy
I think their are 2 possibles you missed
St.Charles makes the final 8 because they don't tangle with the OCC schools
And Moose your Bears make it if they beat Tri.V. week one Which I think they will
Springfield has a new coach and I've crossed them off
I'm going with Pick N with a win week 1 over Watterson
I'm not saying the 8 spot is where they will be but I think it comes down to one of these four
West S.
Dub C.
Liberty
but Darby wins it.
No disrespect to anyone out there I'm new to this and just want to put my picks out before the season starts to see if I'm close or blind to high school football

Don't count on St. Charles. This is their first year in D1, I believe and they have no D1 opponents on their schedule. The Moose sees probable losses to: Pick North, Watterson, DeSales. Winning those games would net them the most computer points. Toss-ups are with Canal Winchester and Beechcroft. Without a big point gathering win over someone, the Cardinals aren't even close. Upsets do happen, so say your beads and go confession.

[Walking Boss]

Don't count on St. Charles. This is their first year in D1, I believe and they have no D1 opponents on their schedule. The Moose sees probable losses to: Pick North, Watterson, DeSales. Winning those games would net them the most computer points. Toss-ups are with Canal Winchester and Beechcroft. Without a big point gathering win over someone, the Cardinals aren't even close. Upsets do happen, so say your beads and go confession.

Moose: It is somewhat rare, but I completely agree with you. About 10,000% agree with you. They'll lose to DeSales and Watty. The Crusaders game won't count, so they are down to 7 wins if they run the table in the rest (which they won't do). All of those DIII's aren' going to help the Harbins. It is hard to imagine a team hurt worse by the move to DI than St. Chaz.

http://myohsaa.ohsaa.org/public/footballSchedule.aspx?rid=0&sid=15842

[galeron]

I dont have any idea where K-Zone came up with that posting. There definitly is not QB controversy. In fact I would love for you to even tell me who the other part of the controversy would be. Theiss is definitly the starter there. In fact I can virtually guarantee you if something happens to him you will see one of the halfbacks start taking direct snaps. There is no controversy. Also explain how the offense is going to have trouble scoring. I promise you you will look long and hard to find a more experienced offensive line anywhere in the state. Francis has started every game since game 3 of his sophmore year and Happeny, Graves, and Miller started every game last year and than we have the kid that started the first two games his sophmore year before Francis replaced him back this year after some grade problems last year. That is a lot of game experience. The kicker has improved 200% since last year which will also be a good weapon this year both point wise and kick off wise. I am not saying they are a lock either because we play a difficult schedule but I think we will be better than last year. Trust me when I say that with that offensive line the spread was not even a consideration.

[covercorner]

Wow! It seems like more than ever there are a lot of teams that have legitimate shots at the playoffs. After thowing darts at my Region 3 dartboard I will go with...Davidson, Pick Central, UA, Lancaster, Liberty, Darby, Troy, Pick North

Just on the outside looking in: Gahanna, Grove City, Coffman, West. South, Olentangy, Scioto

[Kill0331]

Anyone going to believe me if I say Groveport Madison will be back in the playoffs this year?

[walt]

The problem I see for the OCC Ohio teams is that I think the Ohio is arguably the toughest OCC division top to bottom. At least it has been tough the past two years and most of the teams look to be better this year. There is a lot of parity and the teams tend to knock each other off.

Aside from Pickerington Central you have Lancaster and Pickerington North who have both had winning records the past two years and each team has one playoff appearance and one near miss in the past two years. I contend that Lancaster & Pick North were better than the 2nd and 3rd place teams in any of the other OCC divisions in 2010. I believe that either of them could have won the Cardinal and Capital divisions. Both of these teams have high hopes for 2011 and return a lot of talent.

Gahanna actually finished in 4th place with a 4-3 conference record. They won three straight to end the season and their JV team was undefeated (I think?). I think the Gahanna folks are very optimistic going into this season.

Then you have Groveport in 5th place…coming off their 3rd winning season in the past four years. Groveport knocked off the Cardinal Division champions (Westerville South) and runners-up (Jerome) last season yet could only manage 3 wins in Ohio Division play. They also return a lot of key players and expect to be better this year.

Heck… 6th place Grove City hung with Davidson – losing by only 7 points. Look at the 6th place teams in the other OCC divisions. Could any other OCC division’s 6th place stay within 20 points of Davidson?

Every OCC division has their bottom feeders. The Ohio is no different but Reynoldsburg seems to be poised to rebound and Newark started a lot of young kids last year (including a 9th grade QB) so both are hoping for better results in 2011. Is there as much optimism at Westland, Central Crossing, Franklin Heights, Westerville North, etc?

As I mentioned before… there is parity in the OCC Ohio. Grove City knocked off Groveport and Pick North. Gahanna knocked off Grove City and Groveport. Groveport beat Pick North. Pick North beat Lancaster and Gahanna. There was not much separation between the 3rd and 6th place teams. I think the OCC Ohio is going to be a meat grinder this year and like last year, a couple of playoff quality teams will stay home because the OCC teams will beat each other up and knock each other off.

[Kill0331]

The problem I see for the OCC Ohio teams is that I think the Ohio is arguably the toughest OCC division top to bottom. At least it has been tough the past two years and most of the teams look to be better this year. There is a lot of parity and the teams tend to knock each other off.

Aside from Pickerington Central you have Lancaster and Pickerington North who have both had winning records the past two years and each team has one playoff appearance and one near miss in the past two years. I contend that Lancaster & Pick North were better than the 2nd and 3rd place teams in any of the other OCC divisions in 2010. I believe that either of them could have won the Cardinal and Capital divisions. Both of these teams have high hopes for 2011 and return a lot of talent.

Gahanna actually finished in 4th place with a 4-3 conference record. They won three straight to end the season and their JV team was undefeated (I think?). I think the Gahanna folks are very optimistic going into this season.

Then you have Groveport in 5th place…coming off their 3rd winning season in the past four years. Groveport knocked off the Cardinal Division champions (Westerville South) and runners-up (Jerome) last season yet could only manage 3 wins in Ohio Division play. They also return a lot of key players and expect to be better this year.

Heck… 6th place Grove City hung with Davidson – losing by only 7 points. Look at the 6th place teams in the other OCC divisions. Could any other OCC division’s 6th place stay within 20 points of Davidson?

Every OCC division has their bottom feeders. The Ohio is no different but Reynoldsburg seems to be poised to rebound and Newark started a lot of young kids last year (including a 9th grade QB) so both are hoping for better results in 2011. Is there as much optimism at Westland, Central Crossing, Franklin Heights, Westerville North, etc?

As I mentioned before… there is parity in the OCC Ohio. Grove City knocked off Groveport and Pick North. Gahanna knocked off Grove City and Groveport. Groveport beat Pick North. Pick North beat Lancaster and Gahanna. There was not much separation between the 3rd and 6th place teams. I think the OCC Ohio is going to be a meat grinder this year and like last year, a couple of playoff quality teams will stay home because the OCC teams will beat each other up and knock each other off.

Great Read.

[Walking Boss]

Anyone going to believe me if I say Groveport Madison will be back in the playoffs this year?

Kill: I think a lot of folks are waiting to see a strong finish from the Cruisers. We've seen blazing starts the past 2 years, then a collapse at the end. I hope they make it through a whole 10 games this year, because the talent is definitely there....

[Walking Boss]

Trust me when I say that with that offensive line the spread was not even a consideration.

Gale: Thanks for the confirm. I thought this was the April Fool's addition of the Huddle for a second.

[Walking Boss]

Walt: I agree with the general theme of your post, but I think there is a fair amount of data "cherry picking" in there. I don't agree, for instance, on your conclusion that Lancaster or Pick North could or would have won the Cardinal or Capital last year. For instance, while it is true that GM beat South and Jerome, they were closer than anyone else to losing to 0-10 westerville North. The won by 7 and actually trailed until late in the game. GC did only lose to HD by 7, but the HD team in week 1 was very different from the HD team in week 10, 11, or 12. And Pick North gave up 30 points to Newark. Not sure of many teams in the Cardinal that would have done that. So, again, I'll agree that the Ohio is top to bottom the strongest in the OCC (they're also top to bottom the largest in terms of enrollment, so I'd argue they should be), I just won't buy in to the runners-up being stronger than the other conference champs. At least not in the past few years,

[walt]

Walt: I agree with the general theme of your post, but I think there is a fair amount of data "cherry picking" in there. I don't agree, for instance, on your conclusion that Lancaster or Pick North could or would have won the Cardinal or Capital last year.

I said "could" have won...

But I honestly believe Lancaster would have won the Capital, could have won the Cardinal and would have beaten everyone except Davidson in the Central. But that's just my belief....admittedly biased as an Ohio division fan.


GC did only lose to HD by 7, but the HD team in week 1 was very different from the HD team in week 10, 11, or 12.

Regardless whether Davidson was a different team later in the season, name another OCC 6th place team that would have been within 7 points of Davidson at any point in the season.

I'll agree that the Ohio is top to bottom the strongest in the OCC (they're also top to bottom the largest in terms of enrollment, so I'd argue they should be),

And yet the school with the smallest or close to smallest enrollment has won three straight OCC Ohio Championships and the schools with the largest enrollment have a hard time hitting the .500 mark.

Bigger isn't always better.... :)

[gr8br10]

Well, I'll throw my two cents in and see how close I come to getting it right at the end of the year. Most are the same because I feel there are 5 to 6 teams that should be there. There always seems to be a surprise team that gets in after being .500 or below the year before. Last year Darby did it but this year they won't surprise anyone.

Playoff predictions for '11 season:
Davidson
Pick Cent
Liberty
Lancaster
Darby
Pick North
W. South
Troy
I want to say U.A. but with Tri Valley, Springfield, Davidson, Darby and even Coffman. That's going to be tough. If UA gets in they will be tough out in the playoffs.
Springfield has the athletes but had a very good player kicked off the team and lost the head coach.
Coffman could surprise after losing a lot of talent, as well as Grove City, Groveport and Scioto.

[Walking Boss]

And yet the school with the smallest or close to smallest enrollment has won three straight OCC Ohio Championships


With more than a little help from the outside... ;)

[Walking Boss]

gr8 and cover: I'm with you on most of the picks, with the exception of Pick North and Liberty. I'd have both of those teams on the outside looking in. Liberty is going to be challenged by 4 teams (Oly, Scioto, Marysville, and Orange) that are all looking to be in the 7 - 8 seed competition, not to mention their finale with South. I think this is the year they can get the Coffman monkey off their back, but they can't afford a slow start week 1 no matter how limited Coffman is going to be this year.

I'm still going to have to take a "wait and see" approach on Pick North. They have a great line returning and the experienced QB, but the only season they've really challenged was when they had the GC levy kids. I'd like to see them do it the old fashioned way one of these years. Maybe this is the year.

[the_guru_CO]

I could be mistaken, but I believe in the OCC-Ohio Pick Central and Lancaster have either won or split the league title every year.

Newark is the smallest school in the league then Lancaster, then Pick Central.

http://www.ohsaa.org/members/hsenroll11.htm

Not sure when Pick Central joined the Ohio division, but I know Lancaster has OCC-Ohio titles in 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, and 2009.

[Rino]

A lot of this depends on who stays healthy and who doesn't. I heard Darby lost their QB to a knee injury in the spring (don't know what that means for him/them in the fall) but those are the kinds of things that will narrow the list from 12 to 8.

[Walking Boss]

guru: There was a very big re-org in the OCC to begin the 2008 season. Pre-2008, it was a huge hodgepodge because sister schools weren't in the same divisions (or if the were, there were very few). As a matter of fact, Pick Central was in the old Cardinal. So, for apples-to-apples discussions, you really can just talk 2008 to present. In 2008, Central held the title by themselves. In 2009 they shared it with Lancaster. In 2010 they held it by themselves. My prediction is that they will do the same this year. I have a really hard time seeing them lose in the Ohio, but it could happen.

Rino: Very true. My personal opinion is that Pick Central and Davidson are about the only teams with the depth and system in place to withstand more than 1 or 2 key injuries and still be able to make the playoffs.

[the_guru_CO]

Thank for clearing that up Walking Boss.

Lancaster and Pick Central play every year and I didn't know when it went from a non-league to a league game.

[Walking Boss]

Thank for clearing that up Walking Boss.

Lancaster and Pick Central play every year and I didn't know when it went from a non-league to a league game.

Guru: I found this out on the web somewhere. This was the line OCC setup as of 2005 (looks very different from today). 5 six-team conferences. Every team then had 5 divisional games and 5 non-league games. Lancaster was indeed in the Ohio (with Darby and UA no less). I assume those UA-Lancaster games were probably pretty good.

Since that time, we've dropped Chilli and added Bradley, Orange, and New Albany.


The OHIO CAPITAL CONFERENCE

BUCKEYE DIVISION
Dublin Coffman
Hilliard Davidson
Reynoldsburg
Thomas Worthington
Westerville North
Westland

CAPITAL DIVISION
Big Walnut
Dublin Jerome
Franklin Heights
Olentangy Liberty
Pickerington North
Watkins Memorial

CARDINAL DIVISION
Chillicothe
Dublin Scioto
Grove City
Olentangy
Pickerington Central
Westerville Central

CENTRAL DIVISION
Central Crossing
Delaware Hayes
Marysville
Mt. Vernon
Westerville South
Worthington Kilbourne

OHIO DIVISION
Gahanna Lincoln
Groveport Madison
Hilliard Darby
Lancaster
Newark
Upper Arlington

[gr8br10]

A lot of this depends on who stays healthy and who doesn't. I heard Darby lost their QB to a knee injury in the spring (don't know what that means for him/them in the fall) but those are the kinds of things that will narrow the list from 12 to 8.

Rino, That's a good point. I heard the same thing and the young man would be back but not until about mid season. I know Darby has a new addition from Westland named Devon Rogers. The young man started as a freshman last year and I was told he was the best player the cougars had but that might just be a few peoples opinion. I do know but he is very athletic and very fast so that should help Darby's offense, as well as, their defense.

[cthelites]

Rino, That's a good point. I heard the same thing and the young would be back but not until about mid season. I know Darby has a new addition from Westland named Devon Rogers. The young man started as a freshman last year and I was told he was the best player the cougars had but that might just be a few peoples opinion. I do know he is very athletic and very fast so that should help Darby's offense, as well as, their defense.

He is actually ahead of schedule on rehab and is cleared to play week 2.
Darby's season prolly hinges on his health. If he can be at 80-90% for the yr Darby will have a great yr. He is that good.
Very tough to rely on a kid coming back from that injury especially the way that offense predicates the QB position.
Im not sure what plan C is at the QB position.
Devon Rodgers might be a nice fit at qb and he is very talented.

[cthelites]

Some other news with the Hilliards:

The Darby Davidson series will continue beyond the league games!
We will play the game in week 2 next yr.

Great stuff AD Chad Schulte!

[Walking Boss]

He is actually ahead of schedule on rehab and is cleared to play week 2. Darby's season prolly hinges on his health. If he can be at 80-90% for the yr Darby will have a great yr. He is that good.

He can probably rest until about week 6...I wouldn't risk him against any Darby has in their first 5 games, other than maybe Kilbourne.

[Walking Boss]

Some other news with the Hilliards:

The Darby Davidson series will continue beyond the league games!
We will play the game in week 2 next yr.

Great stuff AD Chad Schulte!

That is good news (especially for Darby, given what they have in the pipeline). Should be good gates for both teams, as well.

Will be fun up in the NW corner week 2 in '12 and '13. Darby vs Davidson and Scioto vs Coffman. I look forward to the level 2 points we'll get from you ;)

[JC88]

Don't count on St. Charles. This is their first year in D1, I believe and they have no D1 opponents on their schedule. The Moose sees probable losses to: Pick North, Watterson, DeSales. Winning those games would net them the most computer points. Toss-ups are with Canal Winchester and Beechcroft. Without a big point gathering win over someone, the Cardinals aren't even close. Upsets do happen, so say your beads and go confession.

I agree with your assessment about SC's chances, but wouldn't it be an interesting strategy for a weak D1 team to schedule mediocre to good D2, D3 & D4 teams and try to sneak into the playoffs with an bunch of points if they can achieve at least a 6-4 or 7-3 record? SC would have made it into the D1 Reg 3 playoffs last year. I know a team wouldn't get much respect by doing this, but at least they extend their season by a game.

[herrenj]

Guru: I found this out on the web somewhere. This was the line OCC setup as of 2005 (looks very different from today). 5 six-team conferences. Every team then had 5 divisional games and 5 non-league games. Lancaster was indeed in the Ohio (with Darby and UA no less). I assume those UA-Lancaster games were probably pretty good.

The OHIO CAPITAL CONFERENCE

OHIO DIVISION
Gahanna Lincoln
Groveport Madison
Hilliard Darby
Lancaster
Newark
Upper Arlington


Great games.
2004 - UA (4-6) beat Lancaster (8-3) 34-33 in OT at UA.
2005 - UA (6-5) beat Lancaster (7-4) 28-27 2ot. My first trip to Lancaster's field. Took my little boy and it was cold, rainy, and a wonderful place to watch HS football. UA scored 14 pts in the 4th Q to tie the game.

[Moose73]

UA and Lancaster have had many great games over the years. And yes, Fulton Field, has a great old school atmosphere. The Moose's first trip down to the holler to watch a game came in 1971. The famous PAT fake to go for two putting the Bears up 21-20 with about 2 minutes to go. Talk about a nail-biter!!! Would love to see the Golden Bears and Gales meet yearly. I know there's Lancaster folks that would love to see that series revived as well. AD's, are you listening?!?!?!?

[troy_boy73]

Troy has Reynoldsburg at home this Saturday 10:00 AM.

[K-Zone]

UA and Lancaster have had many great games over the years. And yes, Fulton Field, has a great old school atmosphere. The Moose's first trip down to the holler to watch a game came in 1971. The famous PAT fake to go for two putting the Bears up 21-20 with about 2 minutes to go. Talk about a nail-biter!!! Would love to see the Golden Bears and Gales meet yearly. I know there's Lancaster folks that would love to see that series revived as well. AD's, are you listening?!?!?!?


Can't happen Moose. The Gales have been doomed ever since the Joe DeFillipo (sp) TD was called back by the famous inadvertant whistle. I would holler conspiracy but I believe the game was at Lancaster.

[K-Zone]

I dont have any idea where K-Zone came up with that posting. There definitly is not QB controversy. In fact I would love for you to even tell me who the other part of the controversy would be. Theiss is definitly the starter there. In fact I can virtually guarantee you if something happens to him you will see one of the halfbacks start taking direct snaps. There is no controversy. Also explain how the offense is going to have trouble scoring. I promise you you will look long and hard to find a more experienced offensive line anywhere in the state. Francis has started every game since game 3 of his sophmore year and Happeny, Graves, and Miller started every game last year and than we have the kid that started the first two games his sophmore year before Francis replaced him back this year after some grade problems last year. That is a lot of game experience. The kicker has improved 200% since last year which will also be a good weapon this year both point wise and kick off wise. I am not saying they are a lock either because we play a difficult schedule but I think we will be better than last year. Trust me when I say that with that offensive line the spread was not even a consideration.

Calm down, I forgot to include the smiley face with the spread comment!! Lancaster doesn't seriously consider the pass option when they have a passer and every one on here knows that. Just trying to create a few chuckles. I do think the kicker is a weapon and you will need him because I still think you will have trouble scoring.

[Lou Dew]

Some other news with the Hilliards:

The Darby Davidson series will continue beyond the league games!
We will play the game in week 2 next yr.

Great stuff AD Chad Schulte!

That is great news! Hopefully this will be for the long term and not just a few years. I'm also glad that this is played in Hilliard and not at the Crew.

[DAKNAK]

Darby-Davidson is a natural and should continue for to come. Fun to watch.

[gr8br10]

Some other news with the Hilliards:

The Darby Davidson series will continue beyond the league games!
We will play the game in week 2 next yr.

Great stuff AD Chad Schulte!

cthelites, Thanks for the info on Darby and I'm so glad Darby/Davidson will continue for at least two extra years. The next three years will be very close and exciting games to watch. Good job to the AD's

[gr8br10]

He can probably rest until about week 6...I wouldn't risk him against any Darby has in their first 5 games, other than maybe Kilbourne.

Boss, I have to agree with you. If Darby can give the young man 2 or 3 weeks of extra rest and work him in slowly, that would be the ideal situation. I still think Jerome will be a early test for Darby. Every year the games have been very close and the Celtics still have the Wilson brothers.

[Lou Dew]

Every year the games have been very close and the Celtics still have the Wilson brothers.

I thought the one of the Wilson's graduated?

[Walking Boss]

I thought the one of the Wilson's graduated?

No, Lou. It just seems like they've been around forever. Cam is a senior this year and Dom is a Junior. There was, I believe, another Wilson on the Celts roster the past couple of years. Not sure if he was a relation or older brother, but Cam and Dom are the dynamic duo and they are definitely back. They'll be missing a QB and an o-line, though. So they will have to earn every yard they get.

[Lou Dew]

Thanks WB.

By the way, will Scioto be rolling out the red carpet this Saturday morning when the Cats head over?

[Walking Boss]

Thanks WB.

By the way, will Scioto be rolling out the red carpet this Saturday morning when the Cats head over?

Hopefully you guys will let us move the ball ;). I remember two years ago it was a complete slaughter. Last year was a bit more competitive, though I believe Davidson must have been holding back some key players (Heitzman, etc.). I do remember that Davidson passed the ball a lot last year in the scimmage. Maybe that was because they could have run the ball at will and wanted to try something different. Davidson's passing and hearing the HD coaches yell at "Leroy" are the two things I remember most from last year's scrimmage. Is good ol' Leroy back this year?

Jerome is not too far away and Pick Central will be over their with Kilbourne and Independence for a 4-way starting at 11:00. You'll be able to see league opponent (WKHS) and playoff foe (Picktown) in one setting. The Boss will be there for sure.

[topdawg]

I read somewhere that the scioto vs davidson scrimmage was at 7pm??

[Walking Boss]

I read somewhere that the scioto vs davidson scrimmage was at 7pm??

Dawg: You're right. That's what it says on the list in ThisWeek papers.

http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/bexley/stories/2011/08/03/sports/coaches-face-delicate-balance-with-scrimmages.html

That's always been an early scrimmage in the past. Maybe they moved it later due to the heat? Or maybe for the opportunity to scout Jerome and Kilbourne. Of course that works both ways. The Scioto website doesn't give a time....hmmmm.

[Walking Boss]

http://hilliarddavidsontdclub.org/Schedule2011.html

Davidson website says 9:00 AM. I'm going to assume that the list on ThisWeek is wrong, until further notice.

[herrenj]

Central Ohio scrimmages
Tuesday, Aug. 9

Gahanna vs. Olentangy Liberty (9 a.m.); Grove City Christian vs. South Charleston Southeastern (6 p.m.); Teays Valley vs. Columbus Academy (9 a.m.); Thomas Worthington vs. Beechcroft, Marysville and Walnut Ridge (5 p.m.); Upper Arlington vs. Grove City (noon)


Wednesday, Aug. 10

Bexley vs. Licking Heights (10 a.m.); Buckeye Valley vs. Ready (9 a.m.); Jonathan Alder vs. Brookhaven (8:30 a.m.); Marion Elgin vs. Grandview (10 a.m.); Pickerington North vs. Dublin Coffman (9 a.m.)


Friday, Aug. 12

Canal Winchester vs. New Albany and Liberty (10 a.m.); Central Crossing vs. Columbus East (7:30 p.m.); Gahanna vs. Lakewood St. Edward (11 a.m.); Olentangy vs. Brookhaven (7 p.m.)


Saturday, Aug. 13

Bexley vs. Fairbanks (10 a.m.); Briggs vs. Ready (10 a.m.); Delaware vs. Westland (10 a.m.); Dublin Coffman vs. Marysville (9 a.m.); Dublin Jerome vs. Independence, Pickerington Central and Worthington Kilbourne (11 a.m.); Dublin Scioto vs. Hilliard Davidson (7 p.m.); Grove City vs. Hilliard Darby (10 a.m.); Grove City Christian vs. Africentric (9 a.m.); Hartley vs. Eastmoor Academy (6 p.m.); Hilliard Bradley vs. Groveport, Hamilton and Northland (10 a.m.); Johnstown vs. Licking Valley (10 a.m.); Licking Heights vs. Heath (10 a.m.); Marion Harding vs. Watkins Memorial (10 a.m.); Olentangy Orange vs. Kings Mills Kings (10 a.m.); St. Charles vs. Big Walnut (10 a.m.); Troy vs. Reynoldsburg (10 a.m.); Upper Arlington vs. Watterson (9 a.m.); Westerville Central vs. Granville (10 a.m.); Westerville South vs. DeSales (10 a.m.); Whetstone vs. Westerville North (10 a.m.)

[Lou Dew]

I've only heard 9 am so I will hit Hard Rd. bright and early.

Boss - Last year's was competetive. I am sure both teams try a few new wrinkles although I think HD might run a little more of the standard offense with 4 new O lineman. Leroy is back but he will be on the o-line. He got thrown in at DT in last years scrimmage since both starters were held out. You may not hear his name as much this year.

I may have to make my way across Dublin to catch some of the other scrimmages.


Go Cats!

[scot16a]

after watching DC @ PN today, DC seemed a step slow. pn lost Butt to injury today, hopefully its minor

[walt]

after watching DC @ PN today, DC seemed a step slow. pn lost Butt to injury today, hopefully its minor

Yeah....we all hope he's okay.

I posted on the other thread about scrimmages that my sources said North looked good. Can you give details?

[herrenj]

Walking Boss,
Lets say PC loses this week and starts 0-2. They end up 7-2 and make the playoffs. What do you think this could do to the seeding? If they are a 4,5 or 8 seed that could put them on the same side of the bracket as HD. Also, may have to go on the road. Is there a chance they could end up the #8 seed and go to HD round one.

That is of course assuming HD gets the #1 seed. Just tryin to predict the future. If PC wins this week I think they will get the 1 or 2 seed.

[Walking Boss]

Herren: You read my mind. I was pondering that precise scenario a few days ago. Others disagree, but I think Central makes the playoffs at 6-3. "What if" they're #8 and Davidson is #1. Round 1 game, at Davidson. Pretty intense to say the least. Fun to thnik about.

[I'm qualifying this post by stating, for the record, that I do not think PC loses 3 or more games this year]

[herrenj]

Herren: You read my mind. I was pondering that precise scenario a few days ago. Others disagree, but I think Central makes the playoffs at 6-3. "What if" they're #8 and Davidson is #1. Round 1 game, at Davidson. Pretty intense to say the least. Fun to thnik about.

[I'm qualifying this post by stating, for the record, that I do not think PC loses 3 or more games this year]

Not only that but the other side of the bracket really opens up.