#5 Kenton vs #1 Clinton-Massie

[Celinafan]

Every team has their #1 hater in their league and celinafan is ours. Years ago I used to enjoy reading his posts but now he just comes on to bash us for anything he can think of. You would think that he would cheer for his fellow WBL team, but I've just learned to accept it. As for the call, I've never seen it before in high school football either. Would it have changed the outcome of the game, I don't think so. Massie fans, I've got to agree with a previous post. Why don't they mix the play action pass in some more? The QB didn't have a bad arm at all. I realize that when a team runs as well as Massie does that they don't normally have to pass, but to come from behind with time running out it is a must. Good game Massie, you have a wonderful team and great fans! Hope to see you back again next year.

I asked a simple question.

You used to enjoy my posts years ago because I was a full supporter of Kenton and went to every playoff game they played, including the playoff game against Huron when I forgot my coat. Then came a certain incident involving Kenton and the way it was handled made me sick to my stomach. It also made many of the good people I met at those games sick. I haven't watched a single Kenton game since. The only things that have changed since then are the players and I hope for the players sake and the league they win another title, but that is as fas as I will go.


BTW, care to answer my question?

[K_H_S_86...]

Why do you ask?

If its not a foul NOBODY would have called it, or it would have been overruled.............simple

Next question??

Celinafan.................

Ill take another shot at your question look up ^^^^^^^^^

[snoopdog3]

I asked a simple question.

You used to enjoy my posts years ago because I was a full supporter of Kenton and went to every playoff game they played, including the playoff game against Huron when I forgot my coat. Then came a certain incident involving Kenton and the way it was handled made me sick to my stomach. It also made many of the good people I met at those games sick. I haven't watched a single Kenton game since. The only things that have changed since then are the players and I hope for the players sake and the league they win another title, but that is as fas as I will go.


BTW, care to answer my question?

Yea I'll answer it for you since its soooooo hard to figure out. They should of just said unnessary roughness which is what it was, because of the intent to hurt and helmet to helmet. But then again celina may not have herd of that either cause you dont hit hard enough to be a foul lol.. jk

[K_H_S_86...]

Has anyone heard of an attedance figure from last nites game?

[snoopdog3]

my guess is 8500 to 9000 but i dont know for sure.

[coachbhs01]

i would say around 6500-7000.

snoop.......not tryin to stick up for anyone here but, dont you think when you play the game of football, the intent is to hurt someone. NOT injure but to hurt someone is why you play the game. its what makes football the greatest sport on earth. the physicall and mental toughness required to play tthe game is what seperates the men from the boys......just my opinion.;)

[K_H_S_86...]

i would say around 6500-7000.

snoop.......not tryin to stick up for anyone here but, dont you think when you play the game of football, the intent is to hurt someone. NOT injure but to hurt someone is why you play the game. its what makes football the greatest sport on earth. the physicall and mental toughness required to play tthe game is what seperates the men from the boys......just my opinion.;)

Thats what im kinda thinkin around 7000....I know the KENTON side looked 3/4 full?? CM side prob a little over 1/2 full?... How did you see it CM fans?

[snoopdog3]

I dont think the intent of players is to hurt one another. I was to busy trying to score and never tried to hurt anybody on purpose. I was knocked out at celina my senior year helmet to helmet very similar to how max was hit. But thats football its a contact sport baby and its up to the refs to call it as they see it.

[wiz]

The intent of obtaining an anonymous identity and posting on jjhuddle is to hurt people. The intent of playing football (at least how Mike Mauk teaches in Kenton) is to learn how hard work, discipline, execution, and maintaining mental toughness to overcome adversity can help a team reach it's goals. But I guess they teach different things in different towns. For instance, Salivafan was evidently taught: if you can't beat 'em, rip on 'em on a public forum every chance you can in the hopes others will believe and somehow knock that team from it's perch.

[coachbhs01]

The intent of obtaining an anonymous identity and posting on jjhuddle is to hurt people. The intent of playing football (at least how Mike Mauk teaches in Kenton) is to learn how hard work, discipline, execution, and maintaining mental toughness to overcome adversity can help a team reach it's goals. But I guess they teach different things in different towns. For instance, Salivafan was evidently taught: if you can't beat 'em, rip on 'em on a public forum every chance you can in the hopes others will believe and somehow knock that team from it's perch.

well said wiz. but hittin hard and making others feel a little pain isn't bad either:)

[gym_coach]

I like what Dayton Daily News said about the game:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/high-school-sports/kenton-air-show-claims-massie-1002311.html

[plainsball]

Snoop you made a great point, holding Scanlon in two games to only 390 yds. Good luck Keyton

[Celinafan]

The intent of obtaining an anonymous identity and posting on jjhuddle is to hurt people. The intent of playing football (at least how Mike Mauk teaches in Kenton) is to learn how hard work, discipline, execution, and maintaining mental toughness to overcome adversity can help a team reach it's goals. But I guess they teach different things in different towns. For instance, Salivafan was evidently taught: if you can't beat 'em, rip on 'em on a public forum every chance you can in the hopes others will believe and somehow knock that team from it's perch.

PLEASE! Celina has beaten Kenton more times than not! Funny how no one responds to why I am not a Kenton supporter anymore. Why? Because there is no defense. And, it would be great if you guys would learn some grammar and how to spell. Thanks.

[wiz]

You're not a supporter of Kenton anymore because you, like a lot of neanderthal-minded men, seem to think that when kids behave badly in the community, it's clearly because their football coach condones it. You fail to recognize that it's really probably because they don't have the right upbringing at home, which is sadly common place in low-income, blue-collar communities. You also seem to think that the answer to a kids bad behavior in the community is to take away the one thing that may 1) teach the boys how to be men and 2) get them out of the community and, hence, away from the bad situation that's causing them to act out. Essentially, you think being on a football team is some kind of reward that should be taken away upon bad behavior. The truth is, you simply don't want Kenton to be better than Celina in football, so look for any excuse to have players, especially good ones, removed from the team. If you heard those boys employers let them remain on the payroll, you wouldn't complain - you'd probably even say they need jobs to teach them responsibility. Why would you view participation in football any differently?

I answered these concerns to you and plenty of other Kenton haters when the incidents occurred and am happy to continue answering until it registers in your mind. And sorry if my posts are full of mis-spellings - I wasn't educated in Celina, after all. Perhaps you should visit some chat rooms devoted to the greatness & importance of grammar, since that seems to be a passion of yours.

[Celinafan]

You're not a supporter of Kenton anymore because you, like a lot of neanderthal-minded men, seem to think that when kids behave badly in the community, it's clearly because their football coach condones it. You fail to recognize that it's really probably because they don't have the right upbringing at home, which is sadly common place in low-income, blue-collar communities. You also seem to think that the answer to a kids bad behavior in the community is to take away the one thing that may 1) teach the boys how to be men and 2) get them out of the community and, hence, away from the bad situation that's causing them to act out. Essentially, you think being on a football team is some kind of reward that should be taken away upon bad behavior. The truth is, you simply don't want Kenton to be better than Celina in football, so look for any excuse to have players, especially good ones, removed from the team. If you heard those boys employers let them remain on the payroll, you wouldn't complain - you'd probably even say they need jobs to teach them responsibility. Why would you view participation in football any differently?

I answered these concerns to you and plenty of other Kenton haters when the incidents occurred and am happy to continue answering until it registers in your mind. And sorry if my posts are full of mis-spellings - I wasn't educated in Celina, after all. Perhaps you should visit some chat rooms devoted to the greatness & importance of grammar, since that seems to be a passion of yours.

"1) teach the boys how to be men and 2) get them out of the community and, hence, away from the bad situation that's causing them to act out"

How did that work out?

"The truth is, you simply don't want Kenton to be better than Celina in football"

Yep, that's it. At least you said football, that's the only sport Kenton is any good at.

I understand you weren't educated in the art of english and grammar, it's okay.

[Celinafan]

Oh, and to be a man is to play football, "because that is his future"? How has that worked out?

[Celinafan]

The excuses some of you make for the situation are absolutely sickening.

[Celinafan]

And I almost forgot: "it's clearly because their football coach condones it."

Yes, it is clear, he went to court in support.

Is there something I'm missing?

[gym_coach]

Well put Wiz!

As for the past, there are some Kenton folks who haven't supported Kenton Football since the "Deer Incident" and it took others a few seasons for others to come back. Others have focused on, and supported the players who have made positive influences in and around our community. After all, our football program provides monetary support for other althletics.
Kenton may only have Football that dominates the WBL, CelinaFan should focus on the Now, and BTW, when was the last time Celina beat Kenton in Football?????

[KentonGrad76]

Amen WIZ, why is Celinafan on this thread. Go cry on the Celina thread. OH, there isn't one. Sorry

[Celinafan]

Well put Wiz!

As for the past, there are some Kenton folks who haven't supported Kenton Football since the "Deer Incident" and it took others a few seasons for others to come back. Others have focused on, and supported the players who have made positive influences in and around our community. After all, our football program provides monetary support for other althletics.
Kenton may only have Football that dominates the WBL, CelinaFan should focus on the Now, and BTW, when was the last time Celina beat Kenton in Football?????

I hope for the kids sake that they win the title again this year. But the Coach and AD that handled the incident is still there, that's why I refuse to go to another game.

As for the last time Celina beat Kenton in football, I don't know. When was the last time Kenton beat Celina in anything else?

[Celinafan]

Well put Wiz!

As for the past, there are some Kenton folks who haven't supported Kenton Football since the "Deer Incident" and it took others a few seasons for others to come back. Others have focused on, and supported the players who have made positive influences in and around our community. After all, our football program provides monetary support for other althletics.
Kenton may only have Football that dominates the WBL, CelinaFan should focus on the Now, and BTW, when was the last time Celina beat Kenton in Football?????

From wblsports.com:

Celina Bulldogs WBL Championships
Baseball (6): 88, 58, 53, 51, 49, 48
Boys Basketball (15): 03, 00, 99, 94, 93, 89, 79, 74, 73, 72, 71, 52, 50, 41, 38
Girls Basketball (5): 08, 91, 90, 85, 84
Boys Cross Country (5): 07, 84, 83, 71, 70
Girls Cross Country (6): 00, 91, 90, 89, 88, 87
Football (7): 95, 94, 83, 68, 65, 51, 39
Boys Soccer (4): 05, 97, 91, 90
Girls Soccer (5): 09, 07, 01, 99, 98
Softball (5): 08, 06, 04, 03, 84
Boys Swimming (7): 07, 05, 04, 03, 02, 99, 98
Boys Tennis (4): 95, 83, 81, 68
Girls Tennis (4): 10, 09, 07, 02
Boys Track (5): 97, 95, 92, 85, 84
Girls Track (21): 09, 03, 02, 01, 00, 99, 98, 97, 96, 95, 94, 93, 92, 91, 90, 89, 83, 82, 81, 79, 78
Volleyball (22): 09, 08, 03, 02, 01, 98, 97, 96, 95, 93, 91, 90, 89, 87, 86, 85, 84, 81, 80, 79, 77, 76
Wrestling (2): 08, 05

Kenton Wildcats WBL Championships
Boys Basketball (4): 81, 67, 63, 57
Football (6): 08, 02, 01, 98, 87, 48
Golf (5): 93, 83, 71, 66, 62
Boys Tennis (1): 73
Girls Tennis (4): 80, 79, 78, 77
Boys Track (7): 68, 62, 61, 60, 59, 57, 55
Volleyball (1): 83

NICE!

[theriotact]

I thought this was about Kenton Clinton Massie was Celina playing too?

[blitzman]

Celinafan, Please knock it off.. Yes you got your point across.. but ur post doesnt concern the Kenton/Massie game.. Take it private if you have an issue with someone...

[snoopdog3]

He has an issue with himself, how do u take that private lol. and he always promotes all the sports that have like 20 fans at the games. Football is what kenton has and what we all love.. how many posts are there on the kenton vs celina volleyball thread. I know there is so much interest around the state for that one!

[FBUmp]

Is there anyone that has seen another personal foul helmet to helmet call made in any other game, in any division in high school football this year?

Yes, several times.

Making that call on a 4th down and 1 play deep in the red zone takes the game away from the players and allows the officials to directly influence the outcome.

Committing that type of foul hurts your team at a critical time of the ballgame. Keep your head up, use the proper tackling technique and you won't put your team or yourself in that position where a call has to be made.

[cm_backer]

FBump..what is the difference between that hit, on a "defenseless" receiver and the crack back hit on a "defenseless" D lineman who is chasing the QB. The hit on Running was as equally brutal as the hit on Morrison. Both were helmet to helmet on "defenseless" players. One got a personal foul call, the other just got "ooohs" and "aahs" from the crowd. In my opinion both were clean hits and shouldn't have been called a penalty.

[milaker]

I asked a simple question.

You used to enjoy my posts years ago because I was a full supporter of Kenton and went to every playoff game they played, including the playoff game against Huron when I forgot my coat. Then came a certain incident involving Kenton and the way it was handled made me sick to my stomach. It also made many of the good people I met at those games sick. I haven't watched a single Kenton game since. The only things that have changed since then are the players and I hope for the players sake and the league they win another title, but that is as fas as I will go.


BTW, care to answer my question?
Celina Fan and a the other people who are still holding onto the deer incident, simply don't have all the facts. A prank gone bad, in part due to alcohol and drugs (not by the pranksters), but I won't go there. So you think a coach who is willing to give character witness for a player is condoning bad behavior. If you think that is true, you don't know the Kenton coaches. You also don't have a clue about the judge!!
The truth is that Celina will never be able to accept that "little Kenton" is kicking your butt every year. That's OK, I will never get over our Celina friends who used to say after our losses to them - "Well, little Kenton did a nice job tonight" or some other condescending remark. Pay-backs are hell!!

[milaker]

Yes, several times.



Committing that type of foul hurts your team at a critical time of the ballgame. Keep your head up, use the proper tackling technique and you won't put your team or yourself in that position where a call has to be made.
http://varsity.limaohio.com/common/printer/view.php?db=limavarsity&id=4467
Here is a link to an article about some changes this year, including an emphasis on helmet to helmet contact, in light of past serious head injuries. We can expect to see more calls like that one in coming seasons. Safety should always be the first consideration!

[Bandit-22]

Yes, several times.



Committing that type of foul hurts your team at a critical time of the ballgame. Keep your head up, use the proper tackling technique and you won't put your team or yourself in that position where a call has to be made.

FBUmp were you in attendance for this game to see any of the the plays mentioned?

My original reaction along with others around me saw the hit as clean and found no malicious attempt by the defender to go for the head, only to play through the arms on a tipped ball that the receiver was still reaching for.

I know this is a point of emphasis for the NFL, but have not personally seen this specific call made in high school football, ever. I support doing everything necessary to protect these young men but at the same time collision and physical play is the nature of a playoff game. When you think of great safeties like Ronnie Lott, John Lynch, Troy Polamalu, and Ed Reed what makes them better than all the others?

[xcruiser]

When I saw the hit at the game I wasn't quite sure if that was the right call or not. I watched the game on TV yesterday and had a much better look at what the official was looking at. I personally think he made the right call. He was much closer to the play than any of us.

[Celinafan]

Celina Fan and a the other people who are still holding onto the deer incident, simply don't have all the facts. A prank gone bad, in part due to alcohol and drugs (not by the pranksters), but I won't go there. So you think a coach who is willing to give character witness for a player is condoning bad behavior. If you think that is true, you don't know the Kenton coaches. You also don't have a clue about the judge!!
The truth is that Celina will never be able to accept that "little Kenton" is kicking your butt every year. That's OK, I will never get over our Celina friends who used to say after our losses to them - "Well, little Kenton did a nice job tonight" or some other condescending remark. Pay-backs are hell!!

Please see my earlier post on WBL Championships. Thank you.

[bwg_bear]

Celinafan, quit acting like your 3, my 4 year old acts more grown up than you.

[gym_coach]

From wblsports.com:

Celina Bulldogs WBL Championships
Baseball (6): 88, 58, 53, 51, 49, 48
Boys Basketball (15): 03, 00, 99, 94, 93, 89, 79, 74, 73, 72, 71, 52, 50, 41, 38
Girls Basketball (5): 08, 91, 90, 85, 84
Boys Cross Country (5): 07, 84, 83, 71, 70
Girls Cross Country (6): 00, 91, 90, 89, 88, 87
Football (7): 95, 94, 83, 68, 65, 51, 39
Boys Soccer (4): 05, 97, 91, 90
Girls Soccer (5): 09, 07, 01, 99, 98
Softball (5): 08, 06, 04, 03, 84
Boys Swimming (7): 07, 05, 04, 03, 02, 99, 98
Boys Tennis (4): 95, 83, 81, 68
Girls Tennis (4): 10, 09, 07, 02
Boys Track (5): 97, 95, 92, 85, 84
Girls Track (21): 09, 03, 02, 01, 00, 99, 98, 97, 96, 95, 94, 93, 92, 91, 90, 89, 83, 82, 81, 79, 78
Volleyball (22): 09, 08, 03, 02, 01, 98, 97, 96, 95, 93, 91, 90, 89, 87, 86, 85, 84, 81, 80, 79, 77, 76
Wrestling (2): 08, 05

Kenton Wildcats WBL Championships
Boys Basketball (4): 81, 67, 63, 57
Football (6): 08, 02, 01, 98, 87, 48
Golf (5): 93, 83, 71, 66, 62
Boys Tennis (1): 73
Girls Tennis (4): 80, 79, 78, 77
Boys Track (7): 68, 62, 61, 60, 59, 57, 55
Volleyball (1): 83

NICE!

That didn't answer my Football question. When was the last time Celina beat Kenton in a Varsity football game??
You can save the other info for other threads. My football question should not even be on this thread.

[snoopdog3]

Please see my earlier post on WBL Championships. Thank you.

You forgot one. Kenton Football 2010 WBL Champions.:D

[xcat]

Guess that makes it 7 against 7 in football with Kenton's 7 coming from 98 to 2010 and Celina's coming from 95 and before.HMMMMMMMMMMM
I would be jealous too.JUst not sure i would come on this site to portray it!
POOR taste celinafan!!!!!!!!!!!

[OSUCat]

PLEASE! Celina has beaten Kenton more times than not! Funny how no one responds to why I am not a Kenton supporter anymore. Why? Because there is no defense. And, it would be great if you guys would learn some grammar and how to spell. Thanks.

By the way, smart guy, "Because there is no defense" is a sentence fragment! Also, you should never start sentences with "And".

I find it funny how people still bring up the "incident" and want to blame the coaches. Celinafan, you are ignorant because you are an outsider to the situation. But go ahead and continue to bash those you don't know and throw your two cents in. It is a free country and you're allowed to do that even in ignorance. By the way, on a positive note, it was really good to see Celina back to winning some games. It was long overdue.

Lastly, great season Clinton Massie. You had a great team. I'm sure the game could have went either way. The sad thing is someone had to lose.
Good luck next season! Maybe we could make this an annual game.

[MASSIE]

Kenton congrats on the win,hope to see you guys next year.

[pdoubleop]

I'd say there is a good chance we won't get to play against Kenton next year. With them being 4 boys from D3, they could bump back up next year. We'll just have to wait and see how the state lays it all out.

[ex_dc_atc]

FBump..what is the difference between that hit, on a "defenseless" receiver and the crack back hit on a "defenseless" D lineman who is chasing the QB. The hit on Running was as equally brutal as the hit on Morrison. Both were helmet to helmet on "defenseless" players. One got a personal foul call, the other just got "ooohs" and "aahs" from the crowd. In my opinion both were clean hits and shouldn't have been called a penalty.

I must admit, I thought both plays were good hits. I was not aware of the NFL rule being in the high school ranks as well. I'm torn on how to feel about this. If that's a new rule, then I guess they got it right the first time but perhaps missed it the second. I also see this as the problem with this transition to protecting defenseless players. I believe it's just starting to become clear but there are many big hits in a football game that aren't necessarily just done by defenders. Such was the case with the second hit.

I will say this, the personal foul call was a MAJOR turning point in the game in my opinion.

[pdoubleop]

Has anyone seen any videos of this game out yet?

[floorguy]

I must admit, I thought both plays were good hits. I was not aware of the NFL rule being in the high school ranks as well. I'm torn on how to feel about this. If that's a new rule, then I guess they got it right the first time but perhaps missed it the second. I also see this as the problem with this transition to protecting defenseless players. I believe it's just starting to become clear but there are many big hits in a football game that aren't necessarily just done by defenders. Such was the case with the second hit.

I will say this, the personal foul call was a MAJOR turning point in the game in my opinion.

I agree that the personal foul call was a major turning point in the game.In my opinion without the call the defense would of stopped Kenton in the red zone and gained some nice momentum,also would of known that they could stop Kenton without Kenton stopping themselves with a turnover.But thats just my opinion,the fact is they could not stop the Kenton offense after that and Kenton won the game.Both teams played a great game and Kenton came out on top.Last year and this years game both where fun to watch each decided by 8 points.

[ryebread]

I agree that the personal foul call was a major turning point in the game.In my opinion without the call the defense would of stopped Kenton in the red zone and gained some nice momentum,also would of known that they could stop Kenton without Kenton stopping themselves with a turnover.But thats just my opinion,the fact is they could not stop the Kenton offense after that and Kenton won the game.Both teams played a great game and Kenton came out on top.Last year and this years game both where fun to watch each decided by 8 points.

I can't argue any of that floorguy. Once again, it was a great game against top notch opponents and fans. Hope to see you guys again next year in the playoffs. It would be nice to make this a yearly rivalry, but unfortunately we only have one nonleague game and that is with Coldwater and we have lots of catching up to do with them. lol. Good luck in the future Massie.

[OriginalFalcon]

Ex,


THANK YOU. It only sounds like sour grapes coming from a Massie huddler.

[commish361]

For pdoubleop:

Video can be seen at this link:

http://www.wtlw.com/Sports/HighSchoolFootball/tabid/174/Default.aspx

It can be viewed in full screen if you have a capable graphics card for it. The dvd can also be ordered from WTLW for $25. Enjoy

[rhinoright]

wow, unbelievable that a playoff offical makes that call in that situation. young and dumb.

[snoopdog3]

It was a good call.. Kenton haters whine on!!!!

[pdoubleop]

thanks commish!

[pdoubleop]

Grow up snoopy, just because someone questions the call doesn't mean they're Kenton haters.

[bcubed]

Wow I wish I never would have saw that video! The radio announcers explained it well enough. Terrible call! How can you expect a DB to be behind the WR, shorter than the WR and have helmet to helmet? The DB didn't even leave his feet.

[commish361]

As you can see, I don't post often. I do read a lot and find many comments interesting, to say the least.

(Illegal Helmet Contact) First, the call was made by an official who was much closer than any of us in the stands. As a point of emphasis for over three years, officials have been schooled in the safety of players. Pre-season clinics even attempt to prepare them by showing what is to be considered a foul, as it pertains to this particular type of contact. Officials are taught to act quickly and decisively and their huddles are to confirm with fellow officials that the correct call has been made on the penalty flag thrown. If, after consultation, it is determined that it is not a correct call, then the flag is picked up. It is apparent, in this particular case, that they deemed it a foul.

Second, we all know the outcome of the game, now. To say that that one call was what led a team to the win is very close-minded, in my opinion. The official made a call that he deemed to be violation, without consideration for what the down was or what the position was on the field.

Third, after watching the replay of the game, the camera angle doesn't provide a clear view of that play and there is no slow motion replay.

For those who have never seen it called, it isn't new and the signal was demonstrated well in the video replay of the game. (Right fist to right side of the head) Here is the excerpt from the National Federation of High School Associations (OHSAA a prominent member). ("February 2007 rules committee and approved by the board of directors").

Quote:
From the National Federation of State High School Associations
High School Football Rule Changes Emphasize Helmet-To-Helmet Ban
Rules against spearing, face tackling emphasized
Football (Tackle)RulesSports
INDIANAPOLIS, IN (February 12, 2007) -- In its continuing emphasis on illegal helmet-to-helmet contact in high school football such as spearing, the National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS) Football Rules Committee reorganized and clarified several rules with the intention of further reducing the risk of head injuries, such, as concussions, in the sport.

Rules revisions regarding illegal helmet contact were among 14 rules revisions made by the committee at its January 20-21 meeting in Indianapolis. The rules changes were subsequently approved by the NFHS Board of Directors.

In Rule 2, the committee placed butt blocking, face tackling and spearing under the heading of "Helmet Contact -- Illegal" to place more emphasis on risk-minimization concerns. In Rule 9-4-3, the committee added a note that lists examples of some types of illegal helmet contact that could result in disqualification.

Examples of illegal helmet contact that could result in disqualification include, but are not limited to: a) illegal helmet contact against an opponent lying on the ground; b) illegal helmet contact against an opponent being held up by other players; and c) illegal helmet-to-helmet contact against a defenseless opponent. End quote.

We discuss these things on here because that is what JJ intended when he gave us (or we bought) the opportunity. I have no malice or ill intent toward anyone who has expressed an opinion one way or the other. I only attempt to clarify what seems to be a misinterpretation, misunderstanding, or lack of knowledge, and not in a demeaning way.

This was by far the most competetive and well coached two teams I have seen in quite a few years of watching high school football.

[OriginalFalcon]

This is hard to swallow. That kid has been taught his whole life to hit people hard and in the biggest game of Massie's history we get penalized for it. It is absolute bull%$%@. That is exactly how you are supposed to play football boys. Horrible. It is a sad day in the world of football when a hit like that is deemed "illegal". If I am a coach I would be beside myslef trying to figure out how to teach my kids to "ease up". It is a joke. Commish, the hit looks pretty clear to me. It did change the game and to try and say one play cannot change the game is ignorant. Most playoff games come down to one or two big plays. Commish, you sound like a referee trying to protect another referees bad call. I wish the Kenton boys the best of luck and I hate it that a horrible call has to taint this for Massie and Kenton. You can call me a sore loser all you want but I have talked to too many unbiased fans that were at the game and that have seen the replay.....it was a huge turning point in the game that never should have happened. I bet that ref plays soccer.

[xcruiser]

Very well said Comish. Thank you for sharing that post with us. Now maybee we can all put this thing to rest.

[kwdtn89]

Thanks for the post commish. That call did give Kenton the first down but did it determine the outcome of the game? Come on people is was a game changer in the first half but Massie could not stop that offense. Kenton was up 36 to 20 late in the 4th period and Massie tried to come back as any great team would do. The best team won that night in my opinion. Now can we just move on.

[commish361]

This is hard to swallow. That kid has been taught his whole life to hit people hard and in the biggest game of Massie's history we get penalized for it. It is absolute bull%$%@. That is exactly how you are supposed to play football boys. Horrible. It is a sad day in the world of football when a hit like that is deemed "illegal". If I am a coach I would be beside myslef trying to figure out how to teach my kids to "ease up". It is a joke. Commish, the hit looks pretty clear to me. It did change the game and to try and say one play cannot change the game is ignorant. Most playoff games come down to one or two big plays. Commish, you sound like a referee trying to protect another referees bad call. I wish the Kenton boys the best of luck and I hate it that a horrible call has to taint this for Massie and Kenton. You can call me a sore loser all you want but I have talked to too many unbiased fans that were at the game and that have seen the replay.....it was a huge turning point in the game that never should have happened. I bet that ref plays soccer.

1. I am not an official, but knowing the rules sometimes helps to understand a situation.

2. Your are welcome to your opinion; I respect that. I called no one a sore loser.

3. I also stated that I had no malice nor ill intent toward anyone.

4. As I also stated, other officials in the crew had the opportunity to overrule him and they didn't.

5. As for the game itself, who's to say that if that call wasn't made, Massie takes over and fumbles on the next offensive play. We can say if and but all day; ..."ifs and buts were candy and nuts, it'd be Christmas every day!"

6. As for a statement being "ignorant", I did not say that one call couldn't influence a game's outcome. Quote: "To say that that one call was what led a team to the win is very close-minded, in my opinion." Clearly, it's an opinion in this case, just as you have yours.

Done.

[OriginalFalcon]

Commish,

Points well taken. "Ignorant" was not very classy on my part. Sorry. It may or may not have had an outcome on the game, everyone agrees on this. What really upsets many of the Massie faithful is that they will never know and the oppurtunity to find out was taken away on a questionable call. It would have been much easier if it would have been an obvious pass intereference or defensive holding,ect. Then we could stomach it better. I am 100% positive that if the shoe was on anybody else's foot we would hear the same thing from them. I would like to think I would have enough integrity to at least admit that it was a turning point in the game. Would it make it any better if Maty Mauk and Coach Mauk both admitted it was a bad call........probably not. All I can hope for at this point is that Kenton blows threw the rest of the competition and wins it all and come this time next year we get to play the rubber match. Good luck Kenton and I am sorry if you feel like my comments are inaccurate, but it how I see it.

[ex_dc_atc]

I agree with kwdtn that although the call changed momentum, it did not determine the game overall. Kenton was the better team in my mind on that night.

[fan88]

This is hard to swallow. That kid has been taught his whole life to hit people hard and in the biggest game of Massie's history we get penalized for it. It is absolute bull%$%@. That is exactly how you are supposed to play football boys. Horrible. It is a sad day in the world of football when a hit like that is deemed "illegal". If I am a coach I would be beside myslef trying to figure out how to teach my kids to "ease up". It is a joke. Commish, the hit looks pretty clear to me. It did change the game and to try and say one play cannot change the game is ignorant. Most playoff games come down to one or two big plays. Commish, you sound like a referee trying to protect another referees bad call. I wish the Kenton boys the best of luck and I hate it that a horrible call has to taint this for Massie and Kenton. You can call me a sore loser all you want but I have talked to too many unbiased fans that were at the game and that have seen the replay.....it was a huge turning point in the game that never should have happened. I bet that ref plays soccer.

If the player was paralyzed from the neck down for the rest of his life, would it still not be a foul? I wish HS would implement the "Illegal hit on a defenseless receiver" rule.

[cattrain]

All I have to say is that I know the receiver that was hit quite well, so I have watched that hit over and over. I'm not a coach, a ref, and I don't really know the rules. But, I can say that he has NEVER been hit that way, or in that fashion before and I've seen him play since he was 8. I also had the opportunity these past few months to spend time with another receiver who suffered a serious concussion. He missed 6 weeks of school. In the hospital he did not know his parents, where he was, who he was, or what happened to him. His motor skills were shot. He kept passing out and "staring" into space. It was very scary and these things happen in football I get that....but as a parent and fan I think that refs that make calls to try and prevent these types of injuries are thinking of the kids and not who wins or loses. So, I agree with the call, and the ref that had the nerve to make it. It was clearly a helmet to helmet hit and it appeared Max was in no position to defend himself. Football is a great game, but we need to do all we can to keep it safe and that is what this should be about, not whether it cost Massie the game. This "event" took up a few "seconds". Massie had 48 minutes to win this game and stop Kenton. They did not. Massie is an awesome team and their fans showed total class. It was a great game that on that night Kenton won. I'd hate to play them again, and I hope those who think this call determined the game will really think about this and how they would feel if it was their kid.

[kftball45]

You know what though...Max popped right up. The hit was pretty scary looking, but that just shows Max's toughness.

[pdoubleop]

cattrain, first off, I would never want a kid to have to go through what you described. If it was a helmet to helmet hit then I fully understand the call. My point is, how do you know it was? I watched the play live and have seen video of it but I can't now nor couldn't then clearly see a helmet to helmet hit. The receiver is significantly taller than the defender that hit him. The receiver was leaping up in the air to catch the ball. The defender never left the ground. How is a helmet to helmet hit possible under these conditions? I'm not questioning if this call should be made in general to protect the players, I'm questioning if it should have been made in this circumstance. While I think this was a significant play of this game, Massie needed to find a way to overcome it. You cant have turnovers, if you do...you lose and I see this play as basically, a turnover. Unfortunately, I have doubt and I hate that.

[kwdtn89]

cattrain, first off, I would never want a kid to have to go through what you described. If it was a helmet to helmet hit then I fully understand the call. My point is, how do you know it was? I watched the play live and have seen video of it but I can't now nor couldn't then clearly see a helmet to helmet hit. The receiver is significantly taller than the defender that hit him. The receiver was leaping up in the air to catch the ball. The defender never left the ground. How is a helmet to helmet hit possible under these conditions? I'm not questioning if this call should be made in general to protect the players, I'm questioning if it should have been made in this circumstance. While I think this was a significant play of this game, Massie needed to find a way to overcome it. You cant have turnovers, if you do...you lose and I see this play as basically, a turnover. Unfortunately, I have doubt and I hate that.

Max had a concussion after that game and it was the only hard hit that he took in this game that I remember. If i'm not mistaken the hit was to the back of the head.

As for treating that as a turnover, well you can say that. Kenton had 2 turnovers in that game too, and Kenton was driving down the field. Both teams had turnovers in that game.

[cm_backer]

Time to move on folks, this game is over, Massie is rolling out the basketballs and wrestling mats, Kenton is playing Alter in a couple of days. Would of, could of, should of, nothing we can do to be playing this Friday, except to win on the field. Bottom line is, we were in very good shape at the start of the 4th quarter down 4 with the ball. If we do what we are capable of doing, we have 2 possessions to Kenton's one and win the game. But Kenton held us to a 3 and out and eventually won the game.

[cattrain]

I'll say it again - a GREAT GAME played by two GREAT TEAMS. On any given night either could win. I'm so glad Kenton won obviously, but my heart went out to the Massie kids who were torn up emotionally after the game. I saw them hugging their coaches. They have NOTHING to be ashamed of. They played a great game and were coached very well. Had Massie won - I would have cheered them on to state. I hope they can do the same for us.

[pdoubleop]

Well said cattrain.

[OriginalFalcon]

Gooooooooo Kenton!

[fan88]

cattrain, first off, I would never want a kid to have to go through what you described. If it was a helmet to helmet hit then I fully understand the call. My point is, how do you know it was? I watched the play live and have seen video of it but I can't now nor couldn't then clearly see a helmet to helmet hit. The receiver is significantly taller than the defender that hit him. The receiver was leaping up in the air to catch the ball. The defender never left the ground. How is a helmet to helmet hit possible under these conditions? I'm not questioning if this call should be made in general to protect the players, I'm questioning if it should have been made in this circumstance. While I think this was a significant play of this game, Massie needed to find a way to overcome it. You cant have turnovers, if you do...you lose and I see this play as basically, a turnover. Unfortunately, I have doubt and I hate that.

I was at the game, and everyone saw the helmet-to-helmet hit.

[rhinoright]

this play will most likely be on youtube soon so the entire nation can judge. i wouldn't like to be the offical, but he's young he'll get over it.goodluck kenton!!

[K_H_S_86...]

How many time has anyone ever saw a hit like the one we are talking about at the highschool level?... I know I have not...No this was not my 1st game to watch...There was pleanty of game left and other calls and plays in the game that added to who won and who didnt...

[rhinoright]

khs, football is about hitting period. to pentalize a kid from hitting to hard is wrong. the kids that don't like to hit play soccer, please lets not let this great game become a g** soccer sport.goodluck wildcats!

[K_H_S_86...]

I did not say it was a bad hit... I dont think it should have been called a penalty!!!.... I do not like the direction football is headed... You took my post way wrong... HIT HIT HIT and HIT HARDER!!!!!!

[Celinafan]

Max had a concussion after that game and it was the only hard hit that he took in this game that I remember. If i'm not mistaken the hit was to the back of the head.

As for treating that as a turnover, well you can say that. Kenton had 2 turnovers in that game too, and Kenton was driving down the field. Both teams had turnovers in that game.

So, let me get this straight. Max had a concussion and yet he started the very next game?

[cattrain]

No, he did not. He was and is fine.