Fake or real, the pictures on the Shroud of Turin

[SUV]

What do you think? Is this Jesus..........http://www.shroudstory.com/

[lebmoc]

Too many words. What is that?

[hilliardsbfan]

Nope.

[truck_fly]

If they use the DNA off the shroud to clone, it will be the end of the world.

[glory_days]

I think it is a fake. But because of what it is, extensive testing will never be done and its probably better just to let everybody think it is.

[ringer]

Actually, some pretty extensive testing has been done. As a believer, I went in to reading the research (MUCH more is out there than what is listed here but pretty high level scientists) pretty skeptically. But I really had to start giving consideration to the claim of authenticity. After reading the extensive research, it is now hard for me to believe it is a fake. Not saying it can't be and I am not 100% dogmatic on it, but I am more convinced than unconvinced.

[rtrnofthemonkey]

I am pretty confident that it is twin brother Joe...

[sherm03]

I am pretty confident that it is twin brother Joe...

Jesus' brother's name is Craig...Craig Christ. Just ask Stephen Lynch!

[red_dragons]

robin williams said his brother's name is jerry christ

[rtrnofthemonkey]

robin williams said his brother's name is jerry christ

Jerry... That was it... I couldn't think of where I heard that stand up... Thanks!

[darbypitcher22]

I think that's a negative...

On the other hand, i was in our school chapel the other day and looked up @ the pic of Jesus, and noticed he looked a lot like Ted Nugent....

[spartan]

Jerry... That was it... I couldn't think of where I heard that stand up... Thanks!

according to the comedic group arrogant worms (a Canadian group) has a song called buddy christ.

[sherm03]

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k194/chaotic_psychopath/BuddyChrist.jpg

[darbypitcher22]

^^^^

Wow, he looks creepier than the King from Burger King...

[rookie_j70]

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k194/chaotic_psychopath/BuddyChrist.jpg

classic. lol

[yj_runfan]

Read The Templar Legacy by Steve Berry. It's fiction but he has a very interesting theory about the shroud's origin.

[wilco98]

To me, the Shroud is very real.

[A.Stanton88]

The picture is real...but it's not Jesus. Extensive testing was done on this "artwork" by several independent labs; their conclusion was that it is just not old enough to be from the time of Jesus.. The shroud was in a fire years ago, many people think this has affected the carbon dating that was done. I am not sure why some people believe or do not believe it is the face of Jesus. To me it's not a big deal...probably just a work of art and a really good one at that.

[WB1980]

I'm going with the glass half full theory. Until it is proved to not be Jesus, I will believe it is him or at least something of biblical proportions.

[ringer]

Extensive testing was done on this "artwork" by several independent labs; their conclusion was that it is just not old enough to be from the time of Jesus.

Actually, the bulk of the research dates it back to the first century. Sure, there are disagreements and arguments among competing claims about the shroud, but IMO the most and best research places it in first century palestine.

Also, there is no way it is artwork. It simply cannot be a painting for many reasons. First, the "dye" (not really dye - no one knows what it is) does not simply lay on the surfact like a painting would. It completely encompasses the threading in a way that would be impossible for a painting to do, esp. one pre-dating the 14c. Secondly, the image is a photographic negative, of which medieval people had no knowledge. Thirdly, the place where the wrists wounds are shown are not in the area that medieval people always placed them. Rather than showing wounds on the palms, the shroud shows the wounds up on the wrists - which is exactly where Roman crucifications left wounds. But the medieval had no knowledge of this as shown by all medieval artwork.

Again, this evidence does not provide 100% certainty but it does cause me to lean toward it being authentic. Why would it be so hard to believe that it is?

[glory_days]

I did see a special on tv where someone tried to recreate the shroud. the wrapped a person up and all that good stuff. however when they laid it out flat, it was bloated. and not as human looking as the shroud is.

[ringer]

^^^But once again, there is alternate research that is better IMO that shows the image is almost identical to what one would expect if it were authentic. You need to look at the whole of the research, both pro and con, before passing any judgment.

[DGUtley]

Was there any conclusion on this? Did science make a definitive statement, or is this still a faith-based conclusion - kind of like global warming?

[19AL63]

How about whether it is real or not does not change my Christian believes or faith. I would think that this would only be important to people that find it hard to accept the Christian religion on faith and are looking for material evidence to prove it.

[ringer]

19AL, you are correct that Christianity does not rise or fall on the shroud. However, Christianity also claims to be historically based and makes truth propositions rooted in actual historical events. Faith needs to be based upon actual historical happenings like the resurrection. It is not just "faith" without reasons.

[19AL63]

So true and the Bible is the history book to use in finding those facts to have faith.

[hrspeedmerchant]

I don't know if the shroud is authentic or not, but in all honesty it really doesn't matter to me.

As a practicing Catholic, I have no need for any proof....I'm secure in my faith.

[Drewline]

The picture is real...but it's not Jesus. Extensive testing was done on this "artwork" by several independent labs; their conclusion was that it is just not old enough to be from the time of Jesus.. The shroud was in a fire years ago, many people think this has affected the carbon dating that was done. I am not sure why some people believe or do not believe it is the face of Jesus. To me it's not a big deal...probably just a work of art and a really good one at that.

The extensive testing to try and date the origins of the shroud was mistakenly done on a sample of the shroud which had been repaired following damage from a fire. Therefore, the approximate era established by carbon testing was a miss.
I would not dismiss the shroud as not an image of Christ as there is still no scientific explanation as to how this came to exist. The Romans crucified and executed many but only this garment exists with an unexplanable image lasting centuries.
One scientist sent to examine the shroud for a scientific explanation for it's existence stated before he examined the shroud he was a non-believer. Now he is a believer.

[ibleedunionblu]

The extensive testing to try and date the origins of the shroud was mistakenly done on a sample of the shroud which had been repaired following damage from a fire. Therefore, the approximate era established by carbon testing was a miss.

I did a term paper a couple years ago on the shroud and came across the same information as this poster wrote above.

[IndianFan]

I did a term paper a couple years ago on the shroud and came across the same information as this poster wrote above.

So what was your conclusion in your term paper?

[arizonawildcat]

As a person who believes himself to be a Christian, I do not need a piece of cloth to confirm my faith. I do not understand those who need a scientific finding to find the Son of God. IMO, religion is a matter of faith not fact.