CBP III: What Ohio’s Athletic Directors have to Say (& it’s not all Nice)


OHSAA: Competitive Balance

Our 2013 CBP survey informed us last week, that according to Athletic Director
responses, the OHSAA’s newly proposed CBP will fail again. That has yet
to be seen (voting doesn’t end until next week), but here’s what else we know – some of Ohio’s ADs weren’t
afraid to voice their thoughts on it. Some let it fly. Venting is good…


JJH Competitive Balance Coverage


JJH Survey: What Ohio’s ADs have to say…

Our 2013 CBP survey informed us last week, that according to Athletic Director
responses, the OHSAA’s newly proposed CBP will fail again. That has yet
to be seen (voting doesn’t end until next week), but here’s what else we know – some of Ohio’s ADs weren’t
afraid to voice their thoughts on it.

We didn’t ask them to tie their names to their responses, because we wanted to know how they really felt. Some let it fly. Here are some responses of note…


*It seems a no vote will lead us to the public-private split once again, that is why we will vote ‘Yes.’ However, I don’t like this CBP. I think this will be next to impossible to implement and provides so many opportunities for error that this will be a mess. Even if it does run smoothly I think the attempt to punish the non-public schools is over the top and the irony is that there will be urban schools that move up a division as a result of this as well, which is not fair to them.   

*It doesn’t address the widespread illegal recruiting that private schools are clearly doing. The private schools can still manipulate the players they ask to their school so as to stay in the division that they want to be in.

*Using just student enrollment size to determine a school’s athletic potential has led to an uneven playing field. This proposal is a step in the right direction to recognize some schools have inherent advantages or disadvantages that transcend just their size.     

*The OHSAA is asking us to have some faith and to work with them to iron out the details – we owe it to all of the student-athletes to go down this road. It is unreasonable to think we can come up with a solution that completely satisfies everybody, but I hope Principals and Athletic Directors realize there is plenty of common ground to build upon. We have to look beyond our own doors for this solution and we will all have to give some ground in the process. True cooperation and collaboration is what will make this successful.

*I honestly just feel that we all need to keep in mind what the ultimate goal of our school should revolve around. Our job is to use athletics to prepare the young men and women for life, advancing deep into tournaments or winning state championships just allows a different plateau for you to teach from. If you are not competitive, then get better!!

*Determining private school districts is impossible. Our school draws students from six counties and very few from the public district we physically sit in. This process is tough to govern, but I like that this new proposal addresses these issues fairly, not differentiating between private and public schools based only on their private or public nature, but by where their students come from.   

*Yes, something needs to be done. I think this formula could work if they add an extra division in every sport like football. Right now, if this mulitiplier was passed, it would only make Division I and II even tougher with all of the smaller private schools bumping up. The biggest issue we have is the disparity in Division I! The small divisions are happy with only 100 or so boys/girls separating the top from the bottom, but yet Division I in basketball, for example has 379 boys at the bottom to almost 1,200 on the top end. Where is the fairness in that???   

*I feel that the orginal vote should have been for the separation of public and private. It is ridiculious what goes on and right now anything is better than what we have now. Others would like to see the vote that was suppose to happen. Changing just because there is pressure from privates. If they want to go separate then let them survive by themselves. They might recruit harder but we don’t have to compete AGAINST them in a tournament. Right now there is a handful of teams that have a CHANCE !!!!!! The privates all generally have a chance on a good recruiting year. Sorry for the hostility, but it is really bad in our area.   

*It is a bad plan…the DI private schools will still be DI…no change…the additional staff needed to evaluate each schools/teams enrollment and out of district enrollment will have a cost attached…where will that $ come from? Also, not knowing what division you and your opponents are until maybe Week 4 is ridiculous, as is the possibility to have that changed again after Week 8 due to appeals, revisions. We should just do a multiplier like Georgia…private schools enrollment x 1.5 and then create your divisions and play.

*I feel the issue with unfairness is not really a public or private
school matter. I believe the enrollment that determines your
classification should not be how many kids are in your school but rather
how many students are available in your immediate geographical area. A
school private or public that draws from a large immediate geographical
area has an advantage over a similar size school in a less populated
area. The best recent example of this was the 2013 Div. IV Boys
Basketball Championship with Leipsic playing Cleveland Villa Angela St
Joseph. A school in the larger geographic area should have to count or
include the entire enrollment (or a considerable portion) of the public
school enrollment in which it resides. This may not be a perfect
solution but it appears to be as good as some of the recent referendum
items that have been voted down.

*We as private schools acknowledge that there is somewhat of a competitive advantage. The theory by some public schools is that this competitive balance proposal will reduce the % of State Championships won by private schools. When the % of championships won by private/catholic schools does not change, another call for separation of tournaments will be proposed. Separation will be the only way public schools will be satisfied.     

*The reality is that the OHSAA does not have the manpower to stop recruiting in Ohio. At all. And honest Commissioners there will tell you that. Something DOES need to be done about cheating, but you would have to have tons of investigators to do the job, and that would be cost prohibitive. I think the vote will pass. People will still complain no matter what. The reality is this….there is no comparison with SMALL, RURAL private schools to any schools in bigger cities. Small rural private schools are not a threat and don’t recruit for the most part from what I have seen. In fact, public schools (both rural and big city) recruit quite a bit themselves, and I have seen it many times first hand. Many of these small privates don’t have the resources to recruit, even if they wanted to, and many do not and simply follow the rules.     

*Our school had planned on voting against the public private split.
However, if the best the leadership of the OHSAA can do is come up with a
last minute, poorly thought out CBP we would actually favor splitting.
If the latest CBP passes, we believe next year we will see another vote
to split. Our league has discussed the CBP and no one in our conference
plans to support this issue. WE WANT TO CHANGE THE (LACK OF) LEADERSHIP
IN OHSAA. Our association has real issues and faces a fork in the road
with splitting and the best and only alternative our leadership comes up
with is a last minute plan with no concrete answers – only a “trust us”
mentality. The current leadership has done nothing over the past 10
years to suggest any level of the trust with athletic administrators in
the State.   

*There is an unfair advantage. Something does need to be done. I’m not sure if this is the answer. Once again, we are asked to vote; yet, the exact figures, the exact multiplier, etc. is not set in stone.   

*Split it. No other way. And the Wayne County Superintendents sold everyone out who helped them…   

*OHSAA needs to develop a proposal that has answers for the most obvious of questions – How are the areas of Cincinnati and Youngstown going to be handled? What are the multipliers for all sports? What are the guidelines for being exempt from the roster multiplier? Simple and obvious! You cannot expect people to vote for an issue/proposal that doesn’t have answers to those types of general questions.     

*Our school’s position has been that we would support a competitive balance proposal if it were combined with a change to the transfer rule. The transfer bylaw has hurt our school financially more than anything else. In recent years we have had multiple students transfer out, but rarely had new high school students come to our school to replace them. For a school that relies on tuition dollars to survive this has become problematic. The perception that most private schools like ours get bombarded with transfers is just not accurate. We don’t think that a student who has been at a private school since ES should be counted against us. For example, our high school basketball program this year had 30 high school participants. 12 of those 30 participants have been at our school since Kindergarten. We are fine with having a multiplier added to students who live outside our district, but don’t feel we should be penalized for families who chose private education from the beginning.   

*The OHSAA should have never revised the original referendum. That should have been left for a vote. We did not appreciate the fact that they threatened to cancel some of the smaller sports tournaments (Gymnastics, Field Hockey etc.) if old Referendum passed.

*The OHSAA needs to do something but with limited resources there is not much they can do. They need to depend on their member schools to do their job and police themselves and make sure the rules are followed and unfortunately that is not happening right now.

*Private schools are not the enemy.     

*The competitive balance “problem” is really a “winning” problem. Not
everyone gets a trophy and the sooner we realize that the sooner we can
start tackling real issues, such as pay-to-play, rising expenses in the
face of shrinking budgets, and sports being taken out of high schools
and moving towards club, travel and AAU.



JJH Competitive Balance Coverage

Continued/Background Coverage… 

JJHuddle Survey Results on the New CBP

CBP III: JJHuddle AD Survey/Results


Original Article

Competitive Balance: One School’s Thoughts


OHSAA Follow-Up

OHSAA Responds to JJHuddle.com article from Member School


JJHuddle CBP Article

New Competitive Balance Proposal: Winners & Losers…Who’s in for What?


JJHuddle CBP Article

OHSAA, Wayne County agree on New CBP; Will Ohio schools follow suit?


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